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On July 12 2016 07:42 DalaiiLameR wrote: if i update sc2 with the sea server, am i able to play on EU/NA again after that? Nope, just did it.
http://imgur.com/a/bb7DO
It will work again when the patch hits EU/NA.
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Awesome! Exciting stuff let's gooooooooo
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I hope the revamp will place me below masters so i can grind my way back up again
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On July 12 2016 08:30 NonY wrote: Awesome! Exciting stuff let's gooooooooo
Nice to see you hype
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I think that everyone will love the new ladder system until they realize that they are just as stuck as before. Everyone around you improves their skill just as fast as you do, so your MMR will not increase at all, it will just fluctuate up and down.
This is not an RPG where you will level up, it is like real life where you have to fight just to avoid leveling down.
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I just played a game, where can I see my mmr? Or will it actually be live in the new season?
On July 12 2016 18:52 MockHamill wrote: I think that everyone will love the new ladder system until they realize that they are just as stuck as before. Everyone around you improves their skill just as fast as you do, so your MMR will not increase at all, it will just fluctuate up and down.
This is not an RPG where you will level up, it is like real life where you have to fight just to avoid levelling down. At least you can actually see your "level". For competitive players that's way more convenient than the points and bonus pool system in combination with hidden mmr. This means that progress is way easier to track and because of that it comes closer to "levelling up". But you're right, it's not some linear process now.
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On July 12 2016 18:54 Bojas wrote:I just played a game, where can I see my mmr? Or will it actually be live in the new season? Show nested quote +On July 12 2016 18:52 MockHamill wrote: I think that everyone will love the new ladder system until they realize that they are just as stuck as before. Everyone around you improves their skill just as fast as you do, so your MMR will not increase at all, it will just fluctuate up and down.
This is not an RPG where you will level up, it is like real life where you have to fight just to avoid levelling down. At least you can actually see your "level". For competitive players that's way more convenient than the points and bonus pool system in combination with hidden mmr. This means that progress is way easier to track and because of that it comes closer to "levelling up". But you're right, it's not some linear process now. honestly I've been having no problems with the current system since I was masters. When you're not masters the unspent bonus pool is deceptive, sometimes you can be first in your gold division and not even being close to plat promotion. On the contrary when you're masters people are usually more active so it's not as deceptive except for very good masters with high winrates. Otherwise you just take their points and add their bonus pool to it to have a rough estimation of their "MMR".
That being said this change makes me happy, it'll be far easier to really assess your level in a given region.
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On July 12 2016 18:59 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2016 18:54 Bojas wrote:I just played a game, where can I see my mmr? Or will it actually be live in the new season? On July 12 2016 18:52 MockHamill wrote: I think that everyone will love the new ladder system until they realize that they are just as stuck as before. Everyone around you improves their skill just as fast as you do, so your MMR will not increase at all, it will just fluctuate up and down.
This is not an RPG where you will level up, it is like real life where you have to fight just to avoid levelling down. At least you can actually see your "level". For competitive players that's way more convenient than the points and bonus pool system in combination with hidden mmr. This means that progress is way easier to track and because of that it comes closer to "levelling up". But you're right, it's not some linear process now. honestly I've been having no problems with the current system since I was masters. When you're not masters the unspent bonus pool is deceptive, sometimes you can be first in your gold division and not even being close to plat promotion. On the contrary when you're masters people are usually more active so it's not as deceptive except for very good masters with high winrates. Otherwise you just take their points and add their bonus pool to it to have a rough estimation of their "MMR". That being said this change makes me happy, it'll be far easier to really assess your level in a given region. Yeah, you can quite easily judge your mmr by looking at your points and accounting for bonus pool. But honestly playing for points when it's mmr that matters makes no sense to me, so I generally rarely deplete my bonus pool.
Once you're higher on the masters ladder people generally have points beyond their bonus pool because it inflates over the season. So someone in top 8 could have a 50% winrate, but points that are greater than 100% of their bonus pool. Generally ranging between 100%-150%. Then again, that happens because they have higher mmr. But it just seems like a needlessly complicated system to me.
But I don't understand, is the patch live on EU? I saw a post on Reddit by Excalibur_Z and it looked live there, but I don't have a post-match screen that looks like that? (http://i.imgur.com/UPrb8y3.jpg)
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On July 12 2016 19:09 Bojas wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2016 18:59 [PkF] Wire wrote:On July 12 2016 18:54 Bojas wrote:I just played a game, where can I see my mmr? Or will it actually be live in the new season? On July 12 2016 18:52 MockHamill wrote: I think that everyone will love the new ladder system until they realize that they are just as stuck as before. Everyone around you improves their skill just as fast as you do, so your MMR will not increase at all, it will just fluctuate up and down.
This is not an RPG where you will level up, it is like real life where you have to fight just to avoid levelling down. At least you can actually see your "level". For competitive players that's way more convenient than the points and bonus pool system in combination with hidden mmr. This means that progress is way easier to track and because of that it comes closer to "levelling up". But you're right, it's not some linear process now. honestly I've been having no problems with the current system since I was masters. When you're not masters the unspent bonus pool is deceptive, sometimes you can be first in your gold division and not even being close to plat promotion. On the contrary when you're masters people are usually more active so it's not as deceptive except for very good masters with high winrates. Otherwise you just take their points and add their bonus pool to it to have a rough estimation of their "MMR". That being said this change makes me happy, it'll be far easier to really assess your level in a given region. Yeah, you can quite easily judge your mmr by looking at your points and accounting for bonus pool. But honestly playing for points when it's mmr that matters makes no sense to me, so I generally rarely deplete my bonus pool. Once you're higher on the masters ladder people generally have points beyond their bonus pool because it inflates over the season. So someone in top 8 could have a 50% winrate, but points that are greater than 100% of their bonus pool. Generally ranging between 100%-150%. Then again, that happens because they have higher mmr. But it just seems like a needlessly complicated system to me. But I don't understand, is the patch live on EU? I saw a post on Reddit by Excalibur_Z and it looked live there, but I don't have a post-match screen that looks like that? (http://i.imgur.com/UPrb8y3.jpg) It's live on SEA. Should go live on EU after maintenance tomorrow.
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When does the patch go live on NA? Today? In a few hours?
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On July 13 2016 01:49 myRZeth wrote: It's live folks!
Only on SEA right?
edit : and NA apparently, EU PLS :'(
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On July 13 2016 02:14 ArtyK wrote:Only on SEA right? edit : and NA apparently, EU PLS :'( It'll go live on EU after maintenance which is tonight.
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On July 13 2016 02:24 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2016 02:14 ArtyK wrote:On July 13 2016 01:49 myRZeth wrote: It's live folks! Only on SEA right? edit : and NA apparently, EU PLS :'( It'll go live on EU after maintenance which is tonight.
Scandalous server bias as always :D
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meh, the new league distribution is kind of lame. i've been placed into tier 3 diamond...i've only been in diamond once in the entire time (since wol) of playing sc2. i'm usually gold / plat. it kind of makes being in diamond seem less...notable. i mean, this was the highest league back in wol before master / grandmaster was a thing. got matched with someone in diamond and left right off the bat, as that would've otherwise meant a player two leagues above me (and way too strong an opponent). lol fml...
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All I am curious is how Contender league filled up on NA in like 30 minutes, and now it is impossible to get into as well? lol
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I'm not sure why the game does not just re-include demotions. If a player's MMR is visible, at least they know where they are and if they are on the cusp of demotion, which I believe would be a motivational tool to play harder to avoid demotion. Players who get lucky and place in divisions higher than their actual skill and being stuck in that division the entire season is demotivating for both the player stuck in the higher division, but also any player who plays them thinking that "divisions mean nothing". Every other relevant and large-scale multiplayer competitive game has demotions and that has not effected their player base.
It's just funny that SC2 has an extremely forgiving and misleading ranked system, while Overwatch has one of the most brutal and unforgiving ones. Great job blizz!
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Does the new system allow for deranking in a league or deranking in tiers?
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