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cLutZ
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JimmyJRaynor
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https://www.britannica.com/topic/lek | ||
JimmiC
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On October 02 2016 09:12 JimmyJRaynor wrote: let's go back to my original sentence. re-read that. "i love all these guys adopting the psycho-mean-angry Bray Wyatt look as a form of intimidation." "all these guys" therefore, if u r doing it for some other conscious reason you're not included in my comment. i'm zeroing in on the subset of guys doing it as a form of intimidation. that said, the science says that at the deepest levels males grow beards to intimidate regardless of what their conscious beliefs on the matter might be. Ahhh it comes down to me thinking all means all and you using all to mean some. And me thinking the science probably and possibly (words written in your articles) doesn't mean for sure and you think it does. | ||
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JimmiC
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JimmyJRaynor
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in the context of the article it is clear it is the conclusion of several studies. "a number of studies have suggested that both men and women perceive men with beards as older, stronger and more aggressive " even more about it.. http://philasify101.blogspot.ca/2012/04/fear-beardstudy-shows-that-beards.html and again, i never claimed that on a conscious level every male growing a beard does so to intimidate. you misread it. just like you misread your concussion "source" backing your mild concussion claim. if you think all these studies are wrong.. .great... just don't make some claim that i'm way off-base when you misread stuff. | ||
JimmiC
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As for the concussion go back and read my last post on it and it that's above you I'm sorry nothing can be done about your lack of horse power. | ||
JimmyJRaynor
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your "source" proved my point any way. | ||
JimmiC
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+ Show Spoiler + If you read the entire first article I posted it shows there are different types of traumatic brain injuries. Concussion is one of those types and each type you can have mild moderate or severe. That is just the proper medical terminology. The fact that you think a mild concussion is still a issue. A point I don't disagree with you about does not change that people are using the correct medical terminology. Again, because you say it or think it doesn't make it so. Which you never responded to for obvious reasons. Secondly here is a third source which has many of Dr. Kutcher's views and still explains that there are mild/moderate/severe. https://patients.aan.com/resources/neurologynow/index.cfm?event=home.showArticle&id=ovid.com:/bib/ovftdb/01222928-201107010-00011 Here is the specific part in case you half read like usual. It is called concussion the basics so I hope you can follow. Concussion: The Basics According to Mark Halstead, M.D., a concussion is “a transient alteration in mental status following a blow to the head—or to the body if it imparts a quick movement to the head. These hits are fairly common in football and occur often in sports like soccer and basketball as well, with girls seemingly more susceptible than boys.” You may also have heard the terms “traumatic brain injury” or “head injury.” Traumatic brain injuries are caused by a violent blow or jolt to the head or a penetrating head injury that disrupts the normal function of the brain. Not all blows or jolts to the head result in a TBI, according to the CDC. The severity of this injury can range from “mild” (a brief change in mental status or consciousness) to “severe” (an extended period of unconsciousness or amnesia after the injury). A concussion is one kind of traumatic brain injury. The National Institutes of Health defines a head injury as any trauma that leads to injury of the scalp, skull, or brain. The injuries can range from a minor bump on the skull to serious brain injury. Head injuries are classified as either closed or open. A closed injury occurs when an athlete receives a hard blow to the head from striking an object but the object does not break the skull. An open or penetrating head injury means an athlete was hit with an object that broke the skull and entered the brain. I do love how much you move the target in any discussion. It appears like instead of going. Oh I guess maybe growing beards for intimidation is not the only reason to do so. Or, Oh I misread your post and thought you had said it couldn't be the reason, not it is not the only reason. You move the target to another argument, luckily for me you move it to one where you are completely wrong (that being said that is common for you, so not that lucky for me. | ||
giftdgecko
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I hate bad science, so here goes: + Show Spoiler + JJR- "i love all these guys adopting the psycho-mean-angry Bray Wyatt look as a form of intimidation. here is Aron Baynes." Sounds like you are saying he is growing a beard to intimidate other players. Maybe he is, maybe he isn't. It's an assumption. Response:JC- "I don't think its intimidation I think its the hipster thing. There are so many big mangy beards around now a days, not just in sports but also whenever I hit the public. I'm ok with it, as long as the skinny jeans go away." A differing personal opinion, and a valid one. In many areas hipsters are abundant and sport similar looks, often with thick rimmed glasses, styled mustaches, and jeans their younger sister used to wear. Defensive posturing:JJR- "according to studies beards scare males away. that intimidation factor contributes to the beard growing decision for some athletes in all sports, not just basketball. and it happens in any era, not just now. just as 1 example, Lyle Alzado." This is followed with an article from The Daily Mail, but originally made for The Conversation. Not a source I go to for my scientific articles but hey I'd love to use hte link to read the full results, except it isn't there. Going deeper it's an OK study that leaves out many variables including the cost and technology of shaving over the years and how trends are made. Even if it was a good source/study, why the hell is it being brought up? To confirm your opinion (and that's all it is) is more valid than anothers? Later you post more confirmation bias with the BBC article, which is actually the same article. the same author originally made for The Conversation. Then:JJR- "the science says that at the deepest levels males grow beards to intimidate regardless of what their conscious beliefs on the matter might be." That's not what the study says, the study draws no concrete conclusions and honestly being unable to find the original study to examine any flaws in the methodology, it's more of a sensationalistic article than science. Then a statement on Lek behavior in which you post a link to Britannica which describes the animal behavior and has no mention of humans and state "according to some prominent social scientists all sports are a form of lek behaviour". ? You described lek behavior but it doesn't tie into your original statement and with no scientific links I don't understand the point of this. Are you moving the goalposts? Then it devolves back into "you didn't read this", "no, you didn't read this", "you misread me" And then, to strengthen your position that beards are grown subconsciously to intimidate others, you quote a blog........... A blog with the word philosophy spelled philASIFy. With the word As If clearly inserted into it. Complain about SOMEONE ELSES source, before saying that their position on concussions is wrong. The goal posts have now been moved, possibly lost, along with your credibility in this discussion.... On NBA players beards... | ||
JimmyJRaynor
Canada15582 Posts
On October 02 2016 11:06 giftdgecko wrote: JJR- "i love all these guys adopting the psycho-mean-angry Bray Wyatt look as a form of intimidation. here is Aron Baynes." Sounds like you are saying he is growing a beard to intimidate other players. Maybe he is, maybe he isn't. It's an assumption. "sounds like" ... so you are acknowledging you are uncertain as to its meaning. and i added a more precise clarification later in the discussion. i'm discussing/laughing at players who grows beards to intimidate. they're a laugh. back to NBA basketball now: they say Carroll's knee is not 100%. he just started playing basketball last week. and they give him 20 minutes in the first pre-season game? huh? i hope Caboclo gets more playing time. who cares if he makes 1000 mistakes. | ||
JimmiC
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As for not rehashing... that is exactly what you did I did not bring back up concussions you did. And your more "precise clarification" is more or less "all guys who grow beards for intimidation are growing them for intimidation" makes no sense. It is far more likely that you found the click bait article on beards, thought of some random NBA'r who has grown a beard, jumped to said conclusion and instead of ever admitting you could possibly be wrong even partially you die on that hill, and when that doesn't work you move the target. At least it's funny and there is nothing else going on for the off season, no where else could I have discussions on Richard Jefferson being one the most important free agents, that all concussions are exactly the same and there are not different grades, that all beards are grown to intimidate, that 100% Spoelstra has no compassion for Bosh (in large part because there are no pictures of him loving Bosh's kids) and so on. Thank you for keeping me, and I hope others entertained. | ||
SK.Testie
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Scarecrow
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On October 02 2016 11:59 JimmiC wrote: instead of ever admitting you could possibly be wrong even partially you die on that hill, and when that doesn't work you move the target. Spot on. Jimmy's the sort of guy who'll never 'lose' an argument, regardless of whether he's right or not. It doesn't matter how often you point out exactly how he's full of shit, he'll just ignore the meat of what you're saying or counter with another flawed/irrelevant argument, that distracts from the problems with his original assertion. Of course sometimes he's right, but the absolute conviction and diehard defense of his every opinion, stated as fact, is laughable. He'd make a fantastic politician. Not sure if beard theory is better or worse than Richard Jefferson. Oh and that recent Bosh one, he probably won't die so Spo 's concern must be fake! | ||
JimmyJRaynor
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http://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/nba/lue-reveals-motivated-cavaliers-money/ i wonder if this is technically a salary cap violation and if the league will offer some kind of announcement or slap on the wrist. | ||
JimmiC
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JimmyJRaynor
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+ Show Spoiler + 2 posters believed RJ would not get a raise. i believed he would get a raise. its all there. it also explains in there how LBJ resigning is formality making JR Smith Cavs #1 concern with RJ being #2. Common knowledge LBJ is back at the time i made the ranking of important FAs for the Cavs. here is ur incorrect projection on RJ http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sports/510598-nba-offseason?page=5#82 "He was lucky to catch on for the minimum last year and it will be the same thing this year" http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sports/510598-nba-offseason?page=6#105 "he will not get a raise" you specified no team. you stated "same thing". that is not what happened. he got a raise and multiyear deal. the other poster projected no raise along with u. i projected a raise and he was important to the Cavs. He re-signed right away during the 1 week moratorium thing. Previous year he signed with Cleveland in August as a late addition and was "lucky to catch on" as you correctly characterized it. He Got a Raise. HeGot a Multi-year deal. He signed early. Hardly the "same thing this year". the RJ case is closed... i'd rather talk about stuff going on this week in the NBA. on that note: Simmons expected to miss 3 months http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/17686206/philadelphia-76ers-rookie-ben-simmons-surgery-foot-next-week usually when surgery is delayed by a week it means they are letting any swelling in the foot go down. they are waiting at least a few days or a week to operate on Simmons. So I guess this was a pretty serious break. fracture was by contact and not stress. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
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+ Show Spoiler + On October 03 2016 05:02 JimmiC wrote: I don't know when JR Smith got a raise, he's unsigned. But yes RJ did get a raise to just above the minimum which I was surprised by and admitted I was mildly surprised he got slightly more. The part everyone thought was ridiculaus was where you claimed he was one of the most important free agents on the market and then used his tiny contract to "prove that" also when you claimed he was better then delly, despite him getting 10x less money and shorter term. Also claiming he was the cavs second most important free agent. The case was closed, I'm not sure I wanna look back at all the other retarded stuff you said. But maybe I will this week if I have a rough day I do loves the lols. this is a welcome change you've been lobbying to have me banned from every thread for years. i guess the denial, anger, bargaining and depression stages are over and after 4 years and you've finally hit the acceptance stage. Norm Powell looks like he'll be a decent backup for Derozan this year. He closed out last year 35/75 from 3. Powell is quietly lobbying for more playing time. It'll be interesting to see how Casey/Weltman/Ujiri deal with Powell if he shoots out the lights early on in the regular season. Last year we got Skinny-Kyle and now this year we have Skinny-Terrence. Ross looked good tonight. No Carroll tonight. Right now, Poeltl looks like he does not belong in the league. http://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/nba/jamal-murray-know-im-one-best-scorers-nba/ Jamal Murray is talking some big talk. He looked like a good scorer tonight in the midst of mediocre-at-best defending. Murray connected on a shot over Poeltl that Biyombo would've blocked with his forehead. | ||
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