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Hey guys. Plat 1 Terran here.
been having lots of trouble in TvZ against roach/ravager into roach/hydra.
I find that in the early-mid games when I try to counter them with tanks the ravagers just destroy the tanks too quickly and the roaches just melt the rest of my army despite upgrade advantage.
What is a good composition to fight off roach/rav?
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Tanks/marines/marauders.
Leapfrog tanks, unsiege a couple and shift-siege them so the zerg can never catch you unsieged.
If you use that composition and aren't completely unsieged on creep and lose, it's a macro issue.
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If you're familiar with the mobile bio style from last patch you can still do that now while adding tanks behind your drops and split-aggression. The easiest way to fuck up tank/bio is to move out at a bad time and/or with bad upgrades and/or more importantly on too small a tank count. So if you open with the 2rax 2medic stim timing that was popular last patch, you can keep up pressure on 2rax by not losing any marines by always picking up before any die while you add tanks at home. Whittle down zerg's forces and move out on an unstoppable tank count with proper upgrades (minimum 2/2 with +1 mech atk) to pressure/stop their 4th base.
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Mech player here.
How the hell do you counter swarmhosts???
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Pretty much like every thing else in TvZ right now : ravens. Drop one or two turrets below them, they'll dive and you can kite them after. Also doabl with a hellion / SCV - tho it gets problematic if he's "clever" enough to notjust A move the locusts
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Can't you use banshees, liberators, and/or ghosts too?
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The problem isn't too much about killing them - it's about denying as much of the free damage as possible . yup, we're back to HotS
And when it comes to making banshees / lib - my winrate in TvZ since the patch has been closely linked to how close to 100% my starport is allocating time to ravens
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Would anyone have any replays from pros for TvX for this patch? Trying to find some but no luck.
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On December 07 2016 02:54 IVOie wrote: Would anyone have any replays from pros for TvX for this patch? Trying to find some but no luck.
IEM Gyeonggi should have a lot of good ones if you want a TvT build I just wrote one up on Spawning Tool http://lotv.spawningtool.com/build/41668/
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On December 07 2016 04:04 Ryu3600 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2016 02:54 IVOie wrote: Would anyone have any replays from pros for TvX for this patch? Trying to find some but no luck. IEM Gyeonggi should have a lot of good ones if you want a TvT build I just wrote one up on Spawning Tool http://lotv.spawningtool.com/build/41668/
Thank you, my TvT is the weakest match up right now, its really a hit or miss for me.
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On December 07 2016 04:40 IVOie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2016 04:04 Ryu3600 wrote:On December 07 2016 02:54 IVOie wrote: Would anyone have any replays from pros for TvX for this patch? Trying to find some but no luck. IEM Gyeonggi should have a lot of good ones if you want a TvT build I just wrote one up on Spawning Tool http://lotv.spawningtool.com/build/41668/ Thank you, my TvT is the weakest match up right now, its really a hit or miss for me.
Oh dude awesome im like 8 wins 1 loss with this build. (Only lost 1 game vs cheese) I think this build and the vod will explain the match up very well for you
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On December 07 2016 04:42 Ryu3600 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2016 04:40 IVOie wrote:On December 07 2016 04:04 Ryu3600 wrote:On December 07 2016 02:54 IVOie wrote: Would anyone have any replays from pros for TvX for this patch? Trying to find some but no luck. IEM Gyeonggi should have a lot of good ones if you want a TvT build I just wrote one up on Spawning Tool http://lotv.spawningtool.com/build/41668/ Thank you, my TvT is the weakest match up right now, its really a hit or miss for me. Oh dude awesome im like 8 wins 1 loss with this build. (Only lost 1 game vs cheese) I think this build and the vod will explain the match up very well for you
I studied it a good bit, the bo is a great starting off point that i was looking for.
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On December 07 2016 04:04 Ryu3600 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2016 02:54 IVOie wrote: Would anyone have any replays from pros for TvX for this patch? Trying to find some but no luck. IEM Gyeonggi should have a lot of good ones if you want a TvT build I just wrote one up on Spawning Tool http://lotv.spawningtool.com/build/41668/ doesn't this die to hellion reaper pressure since you only have a reaper and a few marines for defense? or can you defend with good micro?
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What is the best way to deal with zergs these days?
especially mass roach
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On December 07 2016 09:36 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2016 04:04 Ryu3600 wrote:On December 07 2016 02:54 IVOie wrote: Would anyone have any replays from pros for TvX for this patch? Trying to find some but no luck. IEM Gyeonggi should have a lot of good ones if you want a TvT build I just wrote one up on Spawning Tool http://lotv.spawningtool.com/build/41668/ doesn't this die to hellion reaper pressure since you only have a reaper and a few marines for defense? or can you defend with good micro?
You can defend with good micro not to mention by the time a big force arrives you'll have a widow which usually makes it so they have to screw off. Just make sure you don't move your reaper out (2 player maps) until you kill theirs. (If you scout a reaper expand that is)
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On December 07 2016 17:51 Incognoto wrote: What is the best way to deal with zergs these days?
especially mass roach
So against mass roach you want to just make a giant tank line at your base and drop all over. Think of it like this you're throwing away 8 marines and 1 medivac each time to kill workers and queens. Sure you lose some units but Zerg can never break your tankline and at the end of it all one player has a huge economy the other just has some roaches and hardly any drones. (Libs are an option too) But yeah just make marauders and tanks and drop whenever he goes to attack you. Roaches are so slow that if hes on your side and you're on his side hes bound to lose something! :D
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I'm having problems to hold this kind of protoss pressure on TvP. Can you guys help me with some tips? When protoss make more than 1 gate begore exp, I don't know how to react properly.
P.S. - I've noticed that my first push was not good. Need I to do that? Attacking when hold his poke?
I'm thinking about cut widow mines and produce liberators.
http://ggtracker.com/matches/6892323
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On December 07 2016 22:24 Ryu3600 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2016 17:51 Incognoto wrote: What is the best way to deal with zergs these days?
especially mass roach So against mass roach you want to just make a giant tank line at your base and drop all over. Think of it like this you're throwing away 8 marines and 1 medivac each time to kill workers and queens. Sure you lose some units but Zerg can never break your tankline and at the end of it all one player has a huge economy the other just has some roaches and hardly any drones. (Libs are an option too) But yeah just make marauders and tanks and drop whenever he goes to attack you. Roaches are so slow that if hes on your side and you're on his side hes bound to lose something! :D
Will try to go that route.
I've been doing strange old version of Forgg's hellbat pushes and have been losing horribly. Feels bad. Will go for tank+drops, thanks
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On December 07 2016 22:30 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2016 22:24 Ryu3600 wrote:On December 07 2016 17:51 Incognoto wrote: What is the best way to deal with zergs these days?
especially mass roach So against mass roach you want to just make a giant tank line at your base and drop all over. Think of it like this you're throwing away 8 marines and 1 medivac each time to kill workers and queens. Sure you lose some units but Zerg can never break your tankline and at the end of it all one player has a huge economy the other just has some roaches and hardly any drones. (Libs are an option too) But yeah just make marauders and tanks and drop whenever he goes to attack you. Roaches are so slow that if hes on your side and you're on his side hes bound to lose something! :D Will try to go that route. I've been doing strange old version of Forgg's hellbat pushes and have been losing horribly. Feels bad. Will go for tank+drops, thanks
No problem if you ever need more help let me know I can try to find some time to look at your replays and give you some ingame examples?
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