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iNcontroL
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On April 16 2017 10:31 Eridanus wrote: Now now, let's not call the TL moderation 'bad', shall we. They have nothing to do with this. Just calm down a bit.
psssssssst
you joined TL.net 8 days ago.
Give it at least another week before you start speaking on behalf of moderation or telling people to chill
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On April 16 2017 10:28 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2017 09:50 Waxangel wrote:On April 16 2017 08:17 EsportsJohn wrote: I think to paraphrase what Cele is trying to say: it feels a bit disingenuous when famous figures/casters jump on the SC:R hype train as if they were still equally as interested in it during the 7 or some odd years when they weren't in the scene. If your first reaction is to point out how disingenuous it feels and how that's an issue, then you have a fucking problem YUP. It's really really frustrating reading TL these days.. EsportsJohn literally defending the argument that a "civil" discussion can be had as to whether or not Day9 myself and others have any right being excited about BW:R jesus. The attitude of the die hard BW fans here and on reddit is gross and frankly makes me glad I did move on.. lol. nevermind earning a living I don't want to be one of those people that literally calls out the intentions of people like day9 when they say they are excited about making content for a game they LOVE.. which nobody is disputing. They are literally mad that that love didn't keep them from expanding their careers. Anyways I shouldn't be surprised.. Cele is dense and the moderation here has been bad for awhile. I posted nearly 30k times on this forum and in the last 2-3 years I've posted what, 30 times? Yeah...
In this post you are overreacting just as much as everyone else in here. Everybody should calm the fuck down...
Day9 is more than welcome back to BW and everyone agrees on that.
So, why are people still going nuts? Case is closed... maybe this thread should too.
SEAN, WE WANT YOU! <3<3
edit: adding hearts!
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On April 16 2017 10:34 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2017 10:31 Eridanus wrote: Now now, let's not call the TL moderation 'bad', shall we. They have nothing to do with this. Just calm down a bit. psssssssst you joined TL.net 8 days ago. Give it at least another week before you start speaking on behalf of moderation or telling people to chill
You are right. TL was more fun back when moderators here banned you for two weeks after you threw some silly temper tantrum.
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On April 16 2017 10:28 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2017 09:50 Waxangel wrote:On April 16 2017 08:17 EsportsJohn wrote: I think to paraphrase what Cele is trying to say: it feels a bit disingenuous when famous figures/casters jump on the SC:R hype train as if they were still equally as interested in it during the 7 or some odd years when they weren't in the scene. If your first reaction is to point out how disingenuous it feels and how that's an issue, then you have a fucking problem YUP. It's really really frustrating reading TL these days.. EsportsJohn literally defending the argument that a "civil" discussion can be had as to whether or not Day9 myself and others have any right being excited about BW:R jesus. The attitude of the die hard BW fans here and on reddit is gross and frankly makes me glad I did move on.. lol. nevermind earning a living I don't want to be one of those people that literally calls out the intentions of people like day9 when they say they are excited about making content for a game they LOVE.. which nobody is disputing. They are literally mad that that love didn't keep them from expanding their careers. Anyways I shouldn't be surprised.. Cele is dense and the moderation here has been bad for awhile. I posted nearly 30k times on this forum and in the last 2-3 years I've posted what, 30 times? Yeah...
I have to jump in there and suggest that the actions of a small, vocal minority don't really constitute the "die hard BW fans".
Many of the posts on this thread have been pretty sensible, as are most of the die hard BW fans. It feels to me that easily 80% or more of the active BW posters are just long term fans that really enjoy playing BW, and the TL BW community has by and large been one of the most friendly and quality communities I've associated with.
That aside, I'm glad this thread went the direction it did. It was a discussion that needed to happen at some point.
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TL mods are pretty relaxed these days, if they were even a little strict I'd have been banned within my first 200 posts lol
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Canada10923 Posts
On April 16 2017 10:41 Eridanus wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2017 10:34 iNcontroL wrote:On April 16 2017 10:31 Eridanus wrote: Now now, let's not call the TL moderation 'bad', shall we. They have nothing to do with this. Just calm down a bit. psssssssst you joined TL.net 8 days ago. Give it at least another week before you start speaking on behalf of moderation or telling people to chill You are right. TL was more fun back when moderators here banned you for two weeks after you threw some silly temper tantrum. Just drop it. This thread is good news and yet it is going down into a hell hole.
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iNcontroL
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On April 16 2017 10:43 L_Master wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2017 10:28 iNcontroL wrote:On April 16 2017 09:50 Waxangel wrote:On April 16 2017 08:17 EsportsJohn wrote: I think to paraphrase what Cele is trying to say: it feels a bit disingenuous when famous figures/casters jump on the SC:R hype train as if they were still equally as interested in it during the 7 or some odd years when they weren't in the scene. If your first reaction is to point out how disingenuous it feels and how that's an issue, then you have a fucking problem YUP. It's really really frustrating reading TL these days.. EsportsJohn literally defending the argument that a "civil" discussion can be had as to whether or not Day9 myself and others have any right being excited about BW:R jesus. The attitude of the die hard BW fans here and on reddit is gross and frankly makes me glad I did move on.. lol. nevermind earning a living I don't want to be one of those people that literally calls out the intentions of people like day9 when they say they are excited about making content for a game they LOVE.. which nobody is disputing. They are literally mad that that love didn't keep them from expanding their careers. Anyways I shouldn't be surprised.. Cele is dense and the moderation here has been bad for awhile. I posted nearly 30k times on this forum and in the last 2-3 years I've posted what, 30 times? Yeah... I have to jump in there and suggest that the actions of a small, vocal minority don't really constitute the "die hard BW fans". Many of the posts on this thread have been pretty sensible, as are most of the die hard BW fans. It feels to me that easily 80% or more of the active BW posters are just long term fans that really enjoy playing BW, and the TL BW community has by and large been one of the most friendly and quality communities I've associated with. That aside, I'm glad this thread went the direction it did. It was a discussion that needed to happen at some point.
Completely fair to say. I shouldn't be lax when describing a large group.. it is a vocal minority. My point though (which I should have been more clear on) is that it isn't just a small group of minorities though.. there is a significant chunk of a (albeit, still small) group that DOES feel this strange angst and it has been coming out in threads for months. As a person that has been around BW traveling and competing at the highest non korean levels before these guys even sniffed the game it riles me up pretty hard..
not an excuse though you're right.. there are perfectly fine "hard core fans" who are conducting themselves 100% reasonably.
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iNcontroL
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On April 16 2017 10:39 fabiano wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2017 10:28 iNcontroL wrote:On April 16 2017 09:50 Waxangel wrote:On April 16 2017 08:17 EsportsJohn wrote: I think to paraphrase what Cele is trying to say: it feels a bit disingenuous when famous figures/casters jump on the SC:R hype train as if they were still equally as interested in it during the 7 or some odd years when they weren't in the scene. If your first reaction is to point out how disingenuous it feels and how that's an issue, then you have a fucking problem YUP. It's really really frustrating reading TL these days.. EsportsJohn literally defending the argument that a "civil" discussion can be had as to whether or not Day9 myself and others have any right being excited about BW:R jesus. The attitude of the die hard BW fans here and on reddit is gross and frankly makes me glad I did move on.. lol. nevermind earning a living I don't want to be one of those people that literally calls out the intentions of people like day9 when they say they are excited about making content for a game they LOVE.. which nobody is disputing. They are literally mad that that love didn't keep them from expanding their careers. Anyways I shouldn't be surprised.. Cele is dense and the moderation here has been bad for awhile. I posted nearly 30k times on this forum and in the last 2-3 years I've posted what, 30 times? Yeah... In this post you are overreacting just as much as everyone else in here. Everybody should calm the fuck down... Day9 is more than welcome back to BW and everyone agrees on that. So, why are people still going nuts? Case is closed... maybe this thread should too. SEAN, WE WANT YOU! <3<3 edit: adding hearts!
The difference is I am "overreacting" telling people to not attack my peers and friends for wanting to do BW content and they are "overreacting" because Day9 announced he will make content and some are using that as an opportunity to attack him.
I could calm down sure.. but I'd actually think it fine and fair to be upset in my situation.
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iNcontroL
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On April 16 2017 10:41 Eridanus wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2017 10:34 iNcontroL wrote:On April 16 2017 10:31 Eridanus wrote: Now now, let's not call the TL moderation 'bad', shall we. They have nothing to do with this. Just calm down a bit. psssssssst you joined TL.net 8 days ago. Give it at least another week before you start speaking on behalf of moderation or telling people to chill You are right. TL was more fun back when moderators here banned you for two weeks after you threw some silly temper tantrum.
You were banned and made a new account right? Does that irony not blow you out of the water here or?
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Canada10923 Posts
I could calm down sure.. but I'd actually think it fine and fair to be upset in my situation. Well sure- I'm upset that this thread turned out the way it did. I get really, really annoyed with level of scrutiny people put into judging a big name's motivation for switching away and back to BW.
But you are painting the BW community with a rather large brush, lashing out at TL moderation etc- I mean if there's problems with moderating this thread, you of all people know the drill- report the offending posts or take it up with website feedback.
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iNcontroL
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On April 16 2017 10:59 Falling wrote:Show nested quote +I could calm down sure.. but I'd actually think it fine and fair to be upset in my situation. Well sure- I'm upset that this thread turned out the way it did. I get really, really annoyed with level of scrutiny people put into judging a big name's motivation for switching away and back to BW. But you are painting the BW community with a rather large brush, lashing out at TL moderation etc- I mean if there's problems with moderating this thread, you of all people know the drill- report the offending posts or take it up with website feedback.
Yeah as I said that brush I painted this thread with was bad and I clarified my point.
The post you're responding to could use some focus as well I guess?
Not fair to say ALL moderation is bad. Some of you do a great job. I will just be honest and tell you that for people like myself who have been around here for more than 13 years the "general level of moderation" is very different and I personally would describe it as worse.
I don't care to go waaaaaaaaay in depth on it but you're right it isn't fair to throw out a generic complaint like that and then not explain myself.
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I'm surprised that Fayth's drama detector hasn't gone off yet, i expected him to post by now..
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sup doods got my popcorn ready
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ALLEYCAT BLUES49039 Posts
man, some shit went down here.
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On April 16 2017 11:22 BLinD-RawR wrote: man, some shit went down here. It's not even me this time :O
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Germany25642 Posts
Sucks to see people be upset about a good thing
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TLADT24918 Posts
Well, this thread certainly went in a different direction than the OP anticipated. For my part, I think it's cool to see Day9 wanting to make BW content again. I honestly never watched much of his videos, BW or SCII despite realizing they are treasures in the eyes of many fans. I preferred to just play the game, watch vods and come to my own conclusions regarding how to play the various matchups etc... However, if they are as good as I've heard, I'm sure they will be helpful to new and old BW fans.
Now, in terms of this current discussion going on, I think both sides should just calm down for a bit. I have no issues with any of the older casters or players coming back to cast/play BW again. They are well within their right to do as they wish, not like anyone has a monopoly on the game or can dictate who does what. I also disagree with this idea of them ditching BW. Rather, I'm looking at it from an economical perspective. They have to make a living so it only makes sense that they did what was viable for their livelihood. Maybe it's because I'm not really attached to any of them so I don't feel this 'betrayal', dunno really.
However, what I have issues with is comments like this game is so dead or has been dead etc... These are terrible comments that don't lend to a good discussion. Foreign BW fell in terms of activity, sure but the game never died. ICCup still had players and has been increasing since those dark years. TL has continued to provide great coverage since the SSL days with all the drama around them. We've all followed the rise and fall of SSL, KSL, watched player steams on snipealot, the return of old stars, people translated interviews, people participated in LR threads and organized tournaments including TLC, TLS and defiler etc... The scene was reduced in size because many left after the last OSL but the passion was still there.
If anything, you can even argue that the passion was stronger in some ways. Only someone who was contributing at the time and putting a lot of effort into doing so will understand just how bad it feels to spend a ton of time writing/casting something only to get so many views/comments or viewers. This extends to any and all contributors. Really, the only thing you were running on is passion for the game and hoping that, that article or cast you did will help introduce more players into the community. I personally think it's insulting that a lot of the people who stuck around and contributed seem to be brushed aside in a way. Not saying it's purposeful but they get overshadowed in these discussions.
People like Bisudagger, Sayle etc... who put a ton of time and effort casting every tournament and in BD's case, even looking and finding sponsors on top of hosting his own shows and making deals etc... It's easy for someone who rarely follows the scene anymore to completely gloss over this stuff. Anyways, I think overall, having Day9 back can only be good for the scene but I do ask that anyone who has come back to the community to give their due respects to those people who hung in there and have constantly worked for the benefit of the community despite the bleak outlook during those times. Personally, I think TL and the community in general would've been in a much worse shape if no one decided to do anything.
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Amazing news, I never though SC:R was going to bring in so many more new people!I mean even if it's for a short time it can only be good. As for the rest, Drone won the thread with his first post imo.
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Something a lot of people forget is that Brood War was more than just the game. The community, the wcg usa online drama, random x17 arguments, wdt, who was dodging who, people threatening to fight at lans, maybe even this thread, etc. were also a big draw. People kept coming back to Brood War because they made so many friends (and enemies) on b.net. With Starcraft 2's release, most made the switch because that's what their friends (and enemies) did. Even Blizzard didn't get this which is why so many people were pissed about the gutted chat channels.
You may question why Day 9 didn't return before this, but the fact that others are returning almost certainly plays a big role. Who wants to return to a game when your /f l is 25 offline names?
If I am putting words in anyone's mouth I apologize.
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