Build Mong used vs Best tonight in ASL?
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ThetrueSmug
Australia14 Posts
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6324 Posts
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LaStScan
Korea (South)1288 Posts
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LaStScan
Korea (South)1288 Posts
This is called, "ship ship ship"(10 10 10 in korean) build(I call it "Triple Ten" in English). I do this also on ladder games and explain about it. It is meant for 8 marines 2 tanks vultures push with only 1 factory and expo after that. 10 supply depot 10 rax 10 gas supply depot finishes, you will exactly have 50 mineral to continue building additional SCVs. 14 fact at 2:20~22 game time mark which is 14 seconds faster than standard opening. | ||
Me_ToKa
Bulgaria309 Posts
He started with Hwasin opening and went to strong FD. | ||
TT1
Canada9926 Posts
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GTR
51136 Posts
On May 08 2017 07:39 TT1 wrote: oh 10 gas, never seen that variation. 11 gas/fact before 2nd depot is the earliest ive seen ppl get their fact. 10 gas was popularized by flash during a time where 10/15 were raping terrans on medusa | ||
LaStScan
Korea (South)1288 Posts
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IntoTheStorm
116 Posts
On May 08 2017 01:50 LaStScan wrote: watched first 1 min. It tells me everything what you've asked for. This is called, "ship ship ship"(10 10 10 in korean) build(I call it "Triple Ten" in English). I do this also on ladder games and explain about it. It is meant for 8 marines 2 tanks vultures push with only 1 factory and expo after that. 10 supply depot 10 rax 10 gas supply depot finishes, you will exactly have 50 mineral to continue building additional SCVs. 14 fact at 2:20~22 game time mark which is 14 seconds faster than standard opening. Quite an amazing input, thank you. I never knew this build but it sounds awesome. | ||
Cryoc
Germany909 Posts
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MadJack
Peru357 Posts
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fearthequeen
United States782 Posts
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SirGlinG
Sweden933 Posts
Not sure what's best for P to do here. Just quick goon range, don't loose the first zealot? Don't build the second zealot or just don't loose that as well? I've lost to this/ similar stuff, when I survive it I pick off as much as I can on their way to my base, it's close but my second gateway kicking in, two new goons popping up just as he's at my ramp. | ||
GTR
51136 Posts
everything that best did to react to it was just horrible decision making. | ||
WhiteKnight.US
Great Britain102 Posts
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LaStScan
Korea (South)1288 Posts
On May 08 2017 19:11 Cryoc wrote: After watching the game more closely, Mong did a normal supply depot timing at 9 and then went for 10 rax 10 gas. I guess with standard you mean 12 gas->fac? Because compared to a 11rax 11gas it is only like 7 seconds faster. Yes. He did 9 10 10 order, but the standard for 2 tanks fd is 10 10 10. You will feel 2 or more seconds faster with everything. No doubt. And please do not watch old vods because they had an idea, but timing and build order wise arent fully optimized as today. Theres also a YouTube video of flash doing 10 10 10 for tvp lecture. | ||
LaStScan
Korea (South)1288 Posts
On May 09 2017 10:01 GTR wrote: don't build a third nexus off one gateway everything that best did to react to it was just horrible decision making. I didnt fully watch, but maybe he wasnt fully prepared enough. A lot of protoss go for 2 gate 3nexus on cb because of the bridge advantage. Andromeda is a completely different design. My conclusion of that match would be he had a bad knowledge of the map. | ||
Me_ToKa
Bulgaria309 Posts
On May 09 2017 12:34 LaStScan wrote: Theres also a YouTube video of flash doing 10 10 10 for tvp lecture. Here is the Flash FPVOD - + Show Spoiler + | ||
Cryoc
Germany909 Posts
On May 09 2017 12:34 LaStScan wrote: Yes. He did 9 10 10 order, but the standard for 2 tanks fd is 10 10 10. You will feel 2 or more seconds faster with everything. No doubt. And please do not watch old vods because they had an idea, but timing and build order wise arent fully optimized as today. Theres also a YouTube video of flash doing 10 10 10 for tvp lecture. Thanks, I watched the VOD. Yeah, when I think about it, it makes sense to delay the depot, if you plan on cutting SCVs at 10 anyways. | ||
quirinus
Croatia2489 Posts
On May 09 2017 12:32 WhiteKnight.US wrote: Why would someone want to go 9depot over 8depot? Because it's better? Every normal progamer does it. If you start it later, the scv has that much more time to mine, meaning you get more minerals, while your scv production isn't really slowed down compared to a 8 supply. Especially if your minerals are to the right, then the 9th scv pops out and you have just enough to immediately build the supply under the cc, causing the new scvs to pop out closer to the minerals. | ||
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