On June 05 2017 05:20 Vivax wrote:
Liar:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/484076-assassination-mafia?user=Blazinghand&view=all
Lynched Day 2
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/483428-noir-mini-mafia-chapter-3?user=Blazinghand&view=all
Lynched Day 1 - POSTING HUGE WALL OF TEXT ANALYSIS POSTS
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On June 05 2017 05:16 Holyflare wrote:
your whole fucking case on BH being mafia is that he had the opportunity to solve the game but didn't
but he's never done that and YOU KNOW IT
scummy fuck jesus christ
On June 05 2017 05:14 Vivax wrote:
No I'm not getting pushed into arguing through association just cause you want it.
My arguments for either of you being mafia are to be treated as your alignments being independent from each other.
The reason you're mafia is that you are just trying to be in my way when I'm obviously town and trying to direct the attention to something else.
On June 05 2017 05:11 Holyflare wrote:
Vivax here's what you are going to need to do to prove I'm mafia defending BH.
Just real simple. Link games where BH has done an RNG push and said nothing about the game or solved it day 1 and been mafia.
That's a really really really simple task.
Vivax here's what you are going to need to do to prove I'm mafia defending BH.
Just real simple. Link games where BH has done an RNG push and said nothing about the game or solved it day 1 and been mafia.
That's a really really really simple task.
No I'm not getting pushed into arguing through association just cause you want it.
My arguments for either of you being mafia are to be treated as your alignments being independent from each other.
The reason you're mafia is that you are just trying to be in my way when I'm obviously town and trying to direct the attention to something else.
your whole fucking case on BH being mafia is that he had the opportunity to solve the game but didn't
but he's never done that and YOU KNOW IT
scummy fuck jesus christ
Liar:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/484076-assassination-mafia?user=Blazinghand&view=all
Lynched Day 2
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/483428-noir-mini-mafia-chapter-3?user=Blazinghand&view=all
Lynched Day 1 - POSTING HUGE WALL OF TEXT ANALYSIS POSTS
On June 05 2017 05:25 Vivax wrote:
Town BH:
BH this game:
And if he ever flips town we lynch HF for TMI anyway
Town BH:
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On April 22 2015 13:03 Blazinghand wrote:
Damdred is a solid lynch today. His posts don't show a mindset of someone trying to sovle the game.
Let's take a look at how things start off. The game begins, and Damdred starts off with some typical troll posts that you see at the start of games:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24117712
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24117713
which are unmeaningful. A page or two later, Damdred starts complaining about votes being thrown around (link) and says he hates it. He doesn't explicitly state that he thinks it's a bad idea, but there you go. Then, he says he hasn't read the game, then, he votes me (link) for "not playing" when the game is at its very outset. This is almost the definition of a vote being "thrown around", something that damdred hates. Then, he says he thinks I'm scum (link) in response to someone saying he needs to play, even though he is supposedly town and admits taht he hasn't played ("I'll play don't worry"). So,w hat's Damdred even thinking here?
Like, the people who come in later and want to policy me for having an excuse, sure, that's fine. The people who hate me for not posting for 24 hours, I get them. These are all actually reasonable reasons to scumread me. It is literally Classic Blazinghand play to use an IRL excuse to not play. (I would note, by the way, that I merely asked for more time, something easily attained in this game-- surely there's no problem there. This isn't a traditional deadline game). Regardless of their own skills, people can reasonably say that me posting after 18 hours saying "haha IRL reasonz duderz" is classic scum Blazinghand. And it is.
But what's Damdred doing here?
and then, look at this:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24118610
Damdy posts a list post here, in which he states that I'm scum and he would vote for woS, and various other thoughts. Do we see any progression up to this? Does this actually do anything to help anyone? Of course not. Does he have questions for others, does he want to look at the game? No, he does not. This isn't Damdred pushing his ideas, this isn't Damdred trying to convince peopel to vote me even, it's just... filler. And he even calls it silly. That doesn't make it not scummy, that he calls it silly.
He later comes, and uh, asks himself some questions (link). The fact that he asks himself the questions is like, minorly townie I guess since he's having fun. I don't think it really makes him town though.
now he goes calling me scum based on me being "active elsewhere", (link) which seems pretty strange to me given that the only place I was posting (IIRC) was posting the D1 post to start the newbie game, which was actually before the start of Hapa's game. If I'm really active elsewhere, Damdred, why not bring exampels? Why not quote or link the posts I'm making elsewhere, or whatever? Now maybe it's against your ethics or whatever, but wait a second, clearly it's NOT since you mentioned it. So, another accusation with no oomph, more statements without real backup. Let's take a look at Damdy's post in more depths and let's see if he's actually contributing here, or just making noise.
This is nothing. This is like, not even trying to scumhunt. First off, I don't see any actual mention of games. What experience? Maybe it's just a light meta read of trfel, but where did this come from? Even a mention of like "when I played with him in cell and he was scum there" or whatever (as I think Damdred says later in his filter about me) would make sense, but we don't see anything. Also worth noting here that this read isn't something you'd capitalize on. In fact, this entire paragraph is just scummier. "Towards the bottom of null" is like, the least read you can give someone that will most likely make me think you're scum.
Here's what this looks like to me. Damdy wants to lynch trfel, maybe later, so he can't be seen actively defending trrfel without getting some heat. He doesn't want to lynch trfel yet though, he's hoping to get a wagon rolling on me in the first 24h. If he actively turns up the heat on trfel he'd have to commit to it, or talk about it, and genearlly as scum Damdy wants as little preassure as possible. so he makes this minor read on trfel. It "sets up" for his later scumread, but for now, bam, looks vague enough he won't get pressed on it, but gives him some cred later. town wouldn't bother wasting all this time talking about a "bottom of null" read. Definitey scum move.
this could be an emptry quote and it would share the same amount of info. Damdred here isn't doing anything useful or providing insights, but the buddying with Breshke comes nonetheless.
We can look at the followup to this to see more revelatory info about Damdred (and I thank rsoultin for being in thread to draw this out"
So, leaving off the reply about my meta (which is actually interesting), here's the Wave post they were talking about:
First off, I think we can all agree this is a pretty bullshit explanation. The more likely truth is that Waveofshadow wasn't paying attention or got confused or something, and is now embarassed about it, and invented an explanation. "Oh, Yamato referenced an out of game thing that I have since forgotten about, and that's the reason" is like, actually one of the worst explanations I have ever heard. The thign is, though, if WoS were scum and had the freedom to invent an explanation, he'd probably come up with a good one. the only reason he'd use such a lame explanation is if there's a kernel of truth to it. Maybe he and Yamato are lovers IRL, for example, and it was a whisper passed between them in the bedsheets. Who knows. The point is, the fact that woS is being so strikingly weird about his not-an-affair reason for not scumreading Yams is actually evidence WoS as town. No way scum comes up with something so strange.
So, rsoultin rightly notes that the overexplaining is a town thing. Damdred calls it an overreaction and doesn't say why that's actually scummy. What's happening here is that Damdred isn't having a scumread follow a logic. Instead of observation + logic -> scumread, he's doing scumread + observation -> logic. In other words, he's using what happened in thread, plus his PLAN to scumread WoS (who is very bad at defending himself in general) and then CREATING FALSE LOGIC to populate his read. Basically, Damdred isn't finding the truth, he's stating a read in his head then working back from it to find an explanatino. That's why he says stuff like "it's the worst town read" or whatever without explaninig why, because there *is* no "why", not until Damdred creates it.
Moving on, Damdred (link) reasonably brings up some of my past games, though in Aperture I don't think I mentioned anything IRL, I mostly just goofed around and rode my claim (and boy did I ride it!) to victory. Cell mafia I am pretty sure I pretended to be moving house. That was fucking awesome. hahaha. Man I'm awesome. In any case, just cause Damdy's right that I'm an amazing scum player doesn't mean that he's town. Scum isn't forbidden from saying true things; it happens.
At this point, Damdred comes back after 13 hours, and in the past 13 hours, I have made this post:
Now let's say you're Damdred as town somehow. You think Blazinghand is pulling the classic "I am blazinghand and I alone out of all TL Mafia players have the manliness to lie about IRL things". You fucking CALL it, youv ote him, then you come back to the thread and he has made one SOLITARY post int he first like 18 hours of the game, and it's LITERALLY AN IRL EXCUSE.
What's your response? Do you:
A) Call BH scum and quote his single post
B) Call BH scum and note that he played just as you acted.
C) Start asking other players why they're accepted BH's bad excuses, and call him scum.
or...
D) make some vague noises at BH, but UNVOTE HIM AND VOTE SOMEONE ELSE
well, guess what kids, Damdy went with D. Now look, I'm not saying Damdred has to spend 100% of his time paying attention to me. I get it, he has to pretend to have otehr reads too. But the first 2 hours after damdred comes back to thread post Blazinghand-post, he only makes these two posts:
The first one concerning people scumreading him for his notably scummy actions. The second one saying he doens't like trfel for the WoS townread. Eventually, he calls me out, 2 hours later-- and this is fine, maybe it took him 2 hours to read the thread somehow, even though he read other things, or no actually that makes no sense. Damdred makes no sense. He forgot he was scumreading me probably then had to make up for it with humor.
Don't let the fact that he's humorous distract you from the fact that he's not actually focussed on me. The killer is here though:
Ok so let'st ake a look at what Damdred has said about Art so far: he's said ARt is null and he's also said Art was joking. He called out WoS FOR CALLING OUT ART. Then he votes art for being lazy. Which I get. You maybe do that to pressure people for funsies. But tehre's no follow up on me.
at this point, we're getting up to 24 hours into the game, and Damdred's posts are no longer caring about the fact that, as far as he claims, BH IS LITERALLY PLAYING BH SCUM META. Remember, Damdred CALLED this. he VOTED me for this. Sow hat's he up to?
Oh, right, Arts isn't playing. What about your main scumread, Damdred? What about the guy who has literally made one post, a post saying he wasn't playing?
There's no way Damdred is ACTUALLY having these thoughts. If he was spending his time thinking about people not playing, he'd bring me up again. Maybe nto a lot; buit at least once. And wait, let's look at that vote post again. Let's just TAKE A FUCKIN LOOK:
EMPHASIS MINE. Yes, I emphasised the whole post. READ IT. READ IT. He's obviously distancing himself from the outcome. Look at this! oh, if Art isn't scum, well, STATISTICS. Fuck, when I say statistics (when I RNG, that is), I at least back it up with REAL STATISTICS. Look at this? He doesn't even say Art is scum! He just says the approach is scummy and he's PREPARING for a townflip. Who votes like this? Who THINKS like this?
Damdred is fabricating the whole read and it shows.
his resposne to pressure is this:
trfel unvotes damdred saying he was voting to "make a point" and asks if damdred gets it (note trfel: I'm watching you) and damdred says:
Again, talking about absence, but no evidence about art's meta (remember how he had that about mine? Why is this case even on art and not me, for whom it's like, actually a case? WTF), just balthering.
not sure what's going on here.
Wos scumreads Trfel for Trfel's scummy activities, and Damdred says:
which is again, meaningless.
He makes a bunch of strange posts that don't really do anything about me. It's now 24 hours in, and Damdred is making posts like this:
when me, the guy he meta-readed as scum, literally did the scum meta thing AND tried to lengthen the day. He says "people dont' feel compelled to play", how is he not thinking of me? Where's the read development? Why is he still on Artanis, even though votes don't matter?
He says he wants to Lynch art now, but there's no case, no follow-up. Look, Damdred is in town and makes a bunch of posts right around this time, probably like 10 over the course of 6 hours. That's fine and dandy, I'm not saying he has to be an activity monster or make tons of posts. But like, why isn't he pushing his read. Breshke even senses something is off and asks Damdred if he really actually wants to lynch Art. It's a reasonable question to ask because Damdred isn't acting like someone who actually wants to be responsible for a lynch, or someone with a scumread. Damdred is just putting his vote places. He's making "scumreads" and "townreads" but tehre's no UNDERLYING THOUGHT PROCESS.
Look, there's a lot of things scum can fake. Scum and "make reads" and "vote" and whatever. Hell, scum can even be right about things, liek calling out lurkers, or pointing out my meta. That's fine. What scum can't easily fake, though, is a town thought process. Think about what you know about finding scum-- a lot of it has to do with things not lining up, with scum backtracking ideas or not making sense or diverging from how they act as town. They don't think the same things, so they ahve to fake it. Damdred doesn't actually thyink I'm scum or Art is scum. If he REALLY thought tehse things, he'd TALK about it. He wouldn't hang out bickering whether some dude is nulltown or nullscum when he's got a vote out on Art. He'd talk about Art. He wouldn't hang out balthering about people not playing because of time issues, when i'm literally doing that.
Damdred, if he were town, would be ALL OVER me. His entire filter would be like that humorous post he made about me saying I need more time. Even if he did switch to Art, he'd actually switch. Heck, maybe he'd still lambast me a bit. And he'd press the art issue. He wouldn't be like,
When he could have a filter full of
and LEGIT follow-up. He'd HAVE the read, not just SAY the read.
Damdred is faking this, 100%. It's all artificial. He's scum. I've proven that. Let's kill him.
##Damdred
oh btw I'm back
Damdred is a solid lynch today. His posts don't show a mindset of someone trying to sovle the game.
Let's take a look at how things start off. The game begins, and Damdred starts off with some typical troll posts that you see at the start of games:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24117712
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24117713
which are unmeaningful. A page or two later, Damdred starts complaining about votes being thrown around (link) and says he hates it. He doesn't explicitly state that he thinks it's a bad idea, but there you go. Then, he says he hasn't read the game, then, he votes me (link) for "not playing" when the game is at its very outset. This is almost the definition of a vote being "thrown around", something that damdred hates. Then, he says he thinks I'm scum (link) in response to someone saying he needs to play, even though he is supposedly town and admits taht he hasn't played ("I'll play don't worry"). So,w hat's Damdred even thinking here?
Like, the people who come in later and want to policy me for having an excuse, sure, that's fine. The people who hate me for not posting for 24 hours, I get them. These are all actually reasonable reasons to scumread me. It is literally Classic Blazinghand play to use an IRL excuse to not play. (I would note, by the way, that I merely asked for more time, something easily attained in this game-- surely there's no problem there. This isn't a traditional deadline game). Regardless of their own skills, people can reasonably say that me posting after 18 hours saying "haha IRL reasonz duderz" is classic scum Blazinghand. And it is.
But what's Damdred doing here?
and then, look at this:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24118610
Damdy posts a list post here, in which he states that I'm scum and he would vote for woS, and various other thoughts. Do we see any progression up to this? Does this actually do anything to help anyone? Of course not. Does he have questions for others, does he want to look at the game? No, he does not. This isn't Damdred pushing his ideas, this isn't Damdred trying to convince peopel to vote me even, it's just... filler. And he even calls it silly. That doesn't make it not scummy, that he calls it silly.
He later comes, and uh, asks himself some questions (link). The fact that he asks himself the questions is like, minorly townie I guess since he's having fun. I don't think it really makes him town though.
now he goes calling me scum based on me being "active elsewhere", (link) which seems pretty strange to me given that the only place I was posting (IIRC) was posting the D1 post to start the newbie game, which was actually before the start of Hapa's game. If I'm really active elsewhere, Damdred, why not bring exampels? Why not quote or link the posts I'm making elsewhere, or whatever? Now maybe it's against your ethics or whatever, but wait a second, clearly it's NOT since you mentioned it. So, another accusation with no oomph, more statements without real backup. Let's take a look at Damdy's post in more depths and let's see if he's actually contributing here, or just making noise.
On April 21 2015 15:20 Damdred wrote:
This part is a bit trickier, trfel as scum in my experience likes to be in the thick of the action trying to shape other peoples reads and causing subtle confusions. Very unlike bh scum game which is more behind the scenes, besides trfels last bit post who h was ok that puts him more towards the bottom of null rather than town.
This part is a bit trickier, trfel as scum in my experience likes to be in the thick of the action trying to shape other peoples reads and causing subtle confusions. Very unlike bh scum game which is more behind the scenes, besides trfels last bit post who h was ok that puts him more towards the bottom of null rather than town.
This is nothing. This is like, not even trying to scumhunt. First off, I don't see any actual mention of games. What experience? Maybe it's just a light meta read of trfel, but where did this come from? Even a mention of like "when I played with him in cell and he was scum there" or whatever (as I think Damdred says later in his filter about me) would make sense, but we don't see anything. Also worth noting here that this read isn't something you'd capitalize on. In fact, this entire paragraph is just scummier. "Towards the bottom of null" is like, the least read you can give someone that will most likely make me think you're scum.
Here's what this looks like to me. Damdy wants to lynch trfel, maybe later, so he can't be seen actively defending trrfel without getting some heat. He doesn't want to lynch trfel yet though, he's hoping to get a wagon rolling on me in the first 24h. If he actively turns up the heat on trfel he'd have to commit to it, or talk about it, and genearlly as scum Damdy wants as little preassure as possible. so he makes this minor read on trfel. It "sets up" for his later scumread, but for now, bam, looks vague enough he won't get pressed on it, but gives him some cred later. town wouldn't bother wasting all this time talking about a "bottom of null" read. Definitey scum move.
On April 21 2015 15:20 Damdred wrote:
Breshke is one of the greatest forces of good in the thread amen. Has some of the highest activity good thoughts questions and interacting with everyone he can. Really good town atm.
Breshke is one of the greatest forces of good in the thread amen. Has some of the highest activity good thoughts questions and interacting with everyone he can. Really good town atm.
this could be an emptry quote and it would share the same amount of info. Damdred here isn't doing anything useful or providing insights, but the buddying with Breshke comes nonetheless.
On April 21 2015 15:20 Damdred wrote:
Look at the strange uneveness that wave uses between arts is and Yamato for instance it caught my eye pretty fast. He is perfectly fine with art and gives art a town lean(later on) for the way he voted for him even if it was silly. Really strange reactions and slight jnconsitincies in how he is playing and interacting push him to this level.
So, I don't even understand how anyone can let damdred get away with this paragraph. He's like, talking about the "uneveness" between how wave treats art and yamato? again, no evidence, other than he notes that wave has a different opinion on art and yam's alignment. You can't just call something strange and make it strange. What a vague read! Another classic scum move. Look at the strange uneveness that wave uses between arts is and Yamato for instance it caught my eye pretty fast. He is perfectly fine with art and gives art a town lean(later on) for the way he voted for him even if it was silly. Really strange reactions and slight jnconsitincies in how he is playing and interacting push him to this level.
We can look at the followup to this to see more revelatory info about Damdred (and I thank rsoultin for being in thread to draw this out"
On April 21 2015 15:24 rsoultin wrote:
so you're not satisfied with his explanation at the bottom of the previous page? mind saying why not?
so you're not satisfied with his explanation at the bottom of the previous page? mind saying why not?
On April 21 2015 15:26 Damdred wrote:
How can you be satisfied with such a drastic over reaction? Arts is is a great player who sheeped onto what at that point in time a joke vote with a seemingly joke phrase and vote. And wave gives this as a response I don't buy it at all, its over explaining and not really saying anything
How can you be satisfied with such a drastic over reaction? Arts is is a great player who sheeped onto what at that point in time a joke vote with a seemingly joke phrase and vote. And wave gives this as a response I don't buy it at all, its over explaining and not really saying anything
On April 21 2015 15:29 rsoultin wrote:
the overreaction is explained by not understanding the lynch mechanic xP and he wasn't the only one who didn't understand it daaaaamdy
as for the artie vs. yama thing...i don't agree with the analysis but i don't think wrong = scum lol >< and can see how he arrived at the conclusion now that he's explained it
do you have a specific example(s) of the bh meta you were referring to?
On April 21 2015 15:26 Damdred wrote:
How can you be satisfied with such a drastic over reaction? Arts is is a great player who sheeped onto what at that point in time a joke vote with a seemingly joke phrase and vote. And wave gives this as a response I don't buy it at all, its over explaining and not really saying anything
How can you be satisfied with such a drastic over reaction? Arts is is a great player who sheeped onto what at that point in time a joke vote with a seemingly joke phrase and vote. And wave gives this as a response I don't buy it at all, its over explaining and not really saying anything
the overreaction is explained by not understanding the lynch mechanic xP and he wasn't the only one who didn't understand it daaaaamdy
as for the artie vs. yama thing...i don't agree with the analysis but i don't think wrong = scum lol >< and can see how he arrived at the conclusion now that he's explained it
do you have a specific example(s) of the bh meta you were referring to?
On April 21 2015 15:29 Damdred wrote:
Literally it might be one of the worst reasons to town read someone ever. Do scum never do pressure votes or joke votes and then not do much else?
Literally it might be one of the worst reasons to town read someone ever. Do scum never do pressure votes or joke votes and then not do much else?
So, leaving off the reply about my meta (which is actually interesting), here's the Wave post they were talking about:
On April 21 2015 13:03 WaveofShadow wrote:
This is the absolute final time.
I'm going to spell it out so it's absolutely crystal fucking clear, and if it's still not enough then just go ahead and lynch me for it or some shit because unless it's going somewhere, this is ridiculous already.
Yamato gave some reason directly referencing something he said to me outside of the game that i don't remember, probably something he jokingly said to me at some point yesterday or the day before...? I don't consider that a reason because it has zero direct reference to anything that occurs within the confines of this game and is directly related to something yamato and I supposedly talked about. As that is the case, he would do it as either alignment since supposedly he said he would do it and therefore is completely alignment UNindicative.
Artanis' reason I have no knowledge of and has no direct reference to me, so I naturally find it a little odder to bring something like that up---it is my opinion that that could draw more attention than something yamato can directly reference to something he and I supposedly did
This is the absolute final time.
I'm going to spell it out so it's absolutely crystal fucking clear, and if it's still not enough then just go ahead and lynch me for it or some shit because unless it's going somewhere, this is ridiculous already.
Yamato gave some reason directly referencing something he said to me outside of the game that i don't remember, probably something he jokingly said to me at some point yesterday or the day before...? I don't consider that a reason because it has zero direct reference to anything that occurs within the confines of this game and is directly related to something yamato and I supposedly talked about. As that is the case, he would do it as either alignment since supposedly he said he would do it and therefore is completely alignment UNindicative.
Artanis' reason I have no knowledge of and has no direct reference to me, so I naturally find it a little odder to bring something like that up---it is my opinion that that could draw more attention than something yamato can directly reference to something he and I supposedly did
First off, I think we can all agree this is a pretty bullshit explanation. The more likely truth is that Waveofshadow wasn't paying attention or got confused or something, and is now embarassed about it, and invented an explanation. "Oh, Yamato referenced an out of game thing that I have since forgotten about, and that's the reason" is like, actually one of the worst explanations I have ever heard. The thign is, though, if WoS were scum and had the freedom to invent an explanation, he'd probably come up with a good one. the only reason he'd use such a lame explanation is if there's a kernel of truth to it. Maybe he and Yamato are lovers IRL, for example, and it was a whisper passed between them in the bedsheets. Who knows. The point is, the fact that woS is being so strikingly weird about his not-an-affair reason for not scumreading Yams is actually evidence WoS as town. No way scum comes up with something so strange.
So, rsoultin rightly notes that the overexplaining is a town thing. Damdred calls it an overreaction and doesn't say why that's actually scummy. What's happening here is that Damdred isn't having a scumread follow a logic. Instead of observation + logic -> scumread, he's doing scumread + observation -> logic. In other words, he's using what happened in thread, plus his PLAN to scumread WoS (who is very bad at defending himself in general) and then CREATING FALSE LOGIC to populate his read. Basically, Damdred isn't finding the truth, he's stating a read in his head then working back from it to find an explanatino. That's why he says stuff like "it's the worst town read" or whatever without explaninig why, because there *is* no "why", not until Damdred creates it.
Moving on, Damdred (link) reasonably brings up some of my past games, though in Aperture I don't think I mentioned anything IRL, I mostly just goofed around and rode my claim (and boy did I ride it!) to victory. Cell mafia I am pretty sure I pretended to be moving house. That was fucking awesome. hahaha. Man I'm awesome. In any case, just cause Damdy's right that I'm an amazing scum player doesn't mean that he's town. Scum isn't forbidden from saying true things; it happens.
At this point, Damdred comes back after 13 hours, and in the past 13 hours, I have made this post:
On April 22 2015 01:43 Blazinghand wrote:
Hey guys, yesterday was my last day at my old job and today is my first day at my new one. Can't check tl mafia at ork during my first day on the job, sorry. I haven't read the thread and won't be able to until 00:00 GMT (+00:00)'£. Please extend day by 24 hours and dint lynch me
Hey guys, yesterday was my last day at my old job and today is my first day at my new one. Can't check tl mafia at ork during my first day on the job, sorry. I haven't read the thread and won't be able to until 00:00 GMT (+00:00)'£. Please extend day by 24 hours and dint lynch me
Now let's say you're Damdred as town somehow. You think Blazinghand is pulling the classic "I am blazinghand and I alone out of all TL Mafia players have the manliness to lie about IRL things". You fucking CALL it, youv ote him, then you come back to the thread and he has made one SOLITARY post int he first like 18 hours of the game, and it's LITERALLY AN IRL EXCUSE.
What's your response? Do you:
A) Call BH scum and quote his single post
B) Call BH scum and note that he played just as you acted.
C) Start asking other players why they're accepted BH's bad excuses, and call him scum.
or...
D) make some vague noises at BH, but UNVOTE HIM AND VOTE SOMEONE ELSE
well, guess what kids, Damdy went with D. Now look, I'm not saying Damdred has to spend 100% of his time paying attention to me. I get it, he has to pretend to have otehr reads too. But the first 2 hours after damdred comes back to thread post Blazinghand-post, he only makes these two posts:
On April 22 2015 04:32 Damdred wrote:
Maybe some of it was rehashed I can't remember honestly ^^. But keep talking about me its good to have a new focal point today
Maybe some of it was rehashed I can't remember honestly ^^. But keep talking about me its good to have a new focal point today
On April 22 2015 05:10 Damdred wrote:
I don't like that post especially that town read on wave hrm.
I don't like that post especially that town read on wave hrm.
The first one concerning people scumreading him for his notably scummy actions. The second one saying he doens't like trfel for the WoS townread. Eventually, he calls me out, 2 hours later-- and this is fine, maybe it took him 2 hours to read the thread somehow, even though he read other things, or no actually that makes no sense. Damdred makes no sense. He forgot he was scumreading me probably then had to make up for it with humor.
On April 22 2015 06:32 Damdred wrote:
Hey guys my name is bh, I'm moving so I won't be doing much don't lynch me give me time.-scum bh
HEY GUYS I HAVE A NEW JOB WONT DO ANYTHING FOR AWHILE SO DONT LYNCH ME-BH this game
Hey guys my name is bh, I'm moving so I won't be doing much don't lynch me give me time.-scum bh
HEY GUYS I HAVE A NEW JOB WONT DO ANYTHING FOR AWHILE SO DONT LYNCH ME-BH this game
Don't let the fact that he's humorous distract you from the fact that he's not actually focussed on me. The killer is here though:
On April 22 2015 07:10 Damdred wrote:
##unvote
##Vote artanis
Lets do this, if he's Scum we get a great lynch if he's not oh well statistics. But seriously his approach is scummy
##unvote
##Vote artanis
Lets do this, if he's Scum we get a great lynch if he's not oh well statistics. But seriously his approach is scummy
Ok so let'st ake a look at what Damdred has said about Art so far: he's said ARt is null and he's also said Art was joking. He called out WoS FOR CALLING OUT ART. Then he votes art for being lazy. Which I get. You maybe do that to pressure people for funsies. But tehre's no follow up on me.
at this point, we're getting up to 24 hours into the game, and Damdred's posts are no longer caring about the fact that, as far as he claims, BH IS LITERALLY PLAYING BH SCUM META. Remember, Damdred CALLED this. he VOTED me for this. Sow hat's he up to?
On April 22 2015 07:15 Damdred wrote:
That's part of the bad thing about a sorta iml nobody wants to play unless they have to.
As such I think arts actions are scummy and we should,make him play
That's part of the bad thing about a sorta iml nobody wants to play unless they have to.
As such I think arts actions are scummy and we should,make him play
Oh, right, Arts isn't playing. What about your main scumread, Damdred? What about the guy who has literally made one post, a post saying he wasn't playing?
There's no way Damdred is ACTUALLY having these thoughts. If he was spending his time thinking about people not playing, he'd bring me up again. Maybe nto a lot; buit at least once. And wait, let's look at that vote post again. Let's just TAKE A FUCKIN LOOK:
On April 22 2015 07:10 Damdred wrote:
Lets do this, if he's Scum we get a great lynch if he's not oh well statistics. But seriously his approach is scummy
Lets do this, if he's Scum we get a great lynch if he's not oh well statistics. But seriously his approach is scummy
EMPHASIS MINE. Yes, I emphasised the whole post. READ IT. READ IT. He's obviously distancing himself from the outcome. Look at this! oh, if Art isn't scum, well, STATISTICS. Fuck, when I say statistics (when I RNG, that is), I at least back it up with REAL STATISTICS. Look at this? He doesn't even say Art is scum! He just says the approach is scummy and he's PREPARING for a townflip. Who votes like this? Who THINKS like this?
Damdred is fabricating the whole read and it shows.
his resposne to pressure is this:
On April 22 2015 07:16 Damdred wrote:
Lol rsoultin
Lol rsoultin
On April 22 2015 07:19 Damdred wrote:
Sure it's a good idea. Would be fun for me not for town
Sure it's a good idea. Would be fun for me not for town
On April 22 2015 07:21 Damdred wrote:
Though rs reasons are well documented why are you scumming me again trfel
Though rs reasons are well documented why are you scumming me again trfel
trfel unvotes damdred saying he was voting to "make a point" and asks if damdred gets it (note trfel: I'm watching you) and damdred says:
On April 22 2015 07:23 Damdred wrote:
Nope not really.
Nope not really.
On April 22 2015 07:25 Damdred wrote:
Me not playing the game as I should be is meh but I go through spurts where I just shit around, granted I know I do it and it's a conscious decision not,to,change Barbados of my game.
However art isn't the same type of creature
Me not playing the game as I should be is meh but I go through spurts where I just shit around, granted I know I do it and it's a conscious decision not,to,change Barbados of my game.
However art isn't the same type of creature
Again, talking about absence, but no evidence about art's meta (remember how he had that about mine? Why is this case even on art and not me, for whom it's like, actually a case? WTF), just balthering.
On April 22 2015 07:26 Damdred wrote:
Apparently I want to go to Barbados however, that doesn't explain at all why if we lynch it should,be me
Apparently I want to go to Barbados however, that doesn't explain at all why if we lynch it should,be me
not sure what's going on here.
Wos scumreads Trfel for Trfel's scummy activities, and Damdred says:
On April 22 2015 07:36 Damdred wrote:
Waves getting town points here for good line of thinking
Waves getting town points here for good line of thinking
which is again, meaningless.
He makes a bunch of strange posts that don't really do anything about me. It's now 24 hours in, and Damdred is making posts like this:
On April 22 2015 07:59 Damdred wrote:
Hobestly, I hesitate to say this but the discussion and voting is a bit stagnant because we are trying to artificially lengthen the day and people don't feel compelled to play or goof off.
So let's honestly try to lynch someone
Hobestly, I hesitate to say this but the discussion and voting is a bit stagnant because we are trying to artificially lengthen the day and people don't feel compelled to play or goof off.
So let's honestly try to lynch someone
when me, the guy he meta-readed as scum, literally did the scum meta thing AND tried to lengthen the day. He says "people dont' feel compelled to play", how is he not thinking of me? Where's the read development? Why is he still on Artanis, even though votes don't matter?
On April 22 2015 12:12 Damdred wrote:
More of the later than the former I think, I don't like artie going about the game like he is though.
On April 22 2015 11:07 Breshke wrote:
Ohh damdred I forgot to ask. Did you actually want to lynch artanis? Or were you just trying to get stuff to happen?
Ohh damdred I forgot to ask. Did you actually want to lynch artanis? Or were you just trying to get stuff to happen?
More of the later than the former I think, I don't like artie going about the game like he is though.
He says he wants to Lynch art now, but there's no case, no follow-up. Look, Damdred is in town and makes a bunch of posts right around this time, probably like 10 over the course of 6 hours. That's fine and dandy, I'm not saying he has to be an activity monster or make tons of posts. But like, why isn't he pushing his read. Breshke even senses something is off and asks Damdred if he really actually wants to lynch Art. It's a reasonable question to ask because Damdred isn't acting like someone who actually wants to be responsible for a lynch, or someone with a scumread. Damdred is just putting his vote places. He's making "scumreads" and "townreads" but tehre's no UNDERLYING THOUGHT PROCESS.
Look, there's a lot of things scum can fake. Scum and "make reads" and "vote" and whatever. Hell, scum can even be right about things, liek calling out lurkers, or pointing out my meta. That's fine. What scum can't easily fake, though, is a town thought process. Think about what you know about finding scum-- a lot of it has to do with things not lining up, with scum backtracking ideas or not making sense or diverging from how they act as town. They don't think the same things, so they ahve to fake it. Damdred doesn't actually thyink I'm scum or Art is scum. If he REALLY thought tehse things, he'd TALK about it. He wouldn't hang out bickering whether some dude is nulltown or nullscum when he's got a vote out on Art. He'd talk about Art. He wouldn't hang out balthering about people not playing because of time issues, when i'm literally doing that.
Damdred, if he were town, would be ALL OVER me. His entire filter would be like that humorous post he made about me saying I need more time. Even if he did switch to Art, he'd actually switch. Heck, maybe he'd still lambast me a bit. And he'd press the art issue. He wouldn't be like,
On April 22 2015 07:57 Damdred wrote:
Ok wave you are up with rs now. Not lynching you
Ok wave you are up with rs now. Not lynching you
When he could have a filter full of
On April 22 2015 06:32 Damdred wrote:
Hey guys my name is bh, I'm moving so I won't be doing much don't lynch me give me time.-scum bh
HEY GUYS I HAVE A NEW JOB WONT DO ANYTHING FOR AWHILE SO DONT LYNCH ME-BH this game
Hey guys my name is bh, I'm moving so I won't be doing much don't lynch me give me time.-scum bh
HEY GUYS I HAVE A NEW JOB WONT DO ANYTHING FOR AWHILE SO DONT LYNCH ME-BH this game
and LEGIT follow-up. He'd HAVE the read, not just SAY the read.
Damdred is faking this, 100%. It's all artificial. He's scum. I've proven that. Let's kill him.
##Damdred
oh btw I'm back
BH this game:
And if he ever flips town we lynch HF for TMI anyway
more effort. the "hates being scum" narrative isn't too solid imho