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Would you endorse the decision, by Blizzard, should they make it, to simply fix some of the buggy behaviour of reavers? If so, what behaviour, specifically?
Since the goal of this poll is to tally the opinions of a specific subset of Brood War appreciators, if you're gong to take one poll, please take both.
Poll: What is your general attitude toward rebalancing for SC Remastered?I am extremely conservative. (33) 80% I am pretty conservative. (6) 15% StarCraft needs to change. (1) 2% We need a StarCraft revolution! (1) 2% I am exactly moderate. (0) 0% 41 total votes Your vote: What is your general attitude toward rebalancing for SC Remastered? (Vote): I am extremely conservative. (Vote): I am pretty conservative. (Vote): I am exactly moderate. (Vote): StarCraft needs to change. (Vote): We need a StarCraft revolution!
Poll: Can Blizzard patch reavers?Reavers are fine. (14) 40% Reavers could use patching, but I don't trust Blizzard to get it right. (7) 20% Go for it! (6) 17% I tried to stick my dick in a duck and got stuck??? (6) 17% Other. (2) 6% 35 total votes Your vote: Can Blizzard patch reavers? (Vote): Go for it! (Vote): Reavers could use patching, but I don't trust Blizzard to get it right. (Vote): Reavers are fine. (Vote): I tried to stick my dick in a duck and got stuck??? (Vote): Other.
I want to say that I'm a somewhat passionate supporter of the original Brood War as it stands, as not just a good game, but a stronghold of the old gamer tradition of adapting to your game, rather than expecting your game to adapt to you. The "Get good," mindset, as it were. I just think that reavers may be an exception because it is not clear that their buggy behaviour - for example their failure to select targets, instead walking towards them as if they were melee units - has any redeeming qualities including balance. I think everybody hates this bug.
I also think, and hope, that Blizzard is approaching the new StarCraft Remastered very conservatively, and trying to change unit behaviour / stats extremely, extremely little or not at all. This being one of the main homes to foreign (non-Korean) lovers of this traditional game, and the protectors of the integrity of its current design, I think it would be good to have an opinion poll here, on whether reavers can be a very special exception to the rules of fan service, when it comes to even the most unapologetically elitist among us (I like that label for myself, perhaps you disagree).
Please participate in both polls, and leave comments on what you think of this thread, and of reavers, and even rebalancing Brood War and StarCraft Remastered generally.
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scarbs are a bit too stupid sometimes... maybe make it explode whenever it hits anything on its path instead of following selected target....
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They will never ever change. I will eat a leather shoe if they ever change reavers.
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imo they shouldn't be changed. I may be biased because I hate reavers.... Damn scarabs!
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Poland499 Posts
On June 13 2017 07:55 zobz wrote: for example their failure to select targets, instead walking towards them as if they were melee units - has any redeeming qualities including balance. I think everybody hates this bug. this. Other aspects of reaver are part of the unit's mechanics.
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the walking bug should be the only thing they fix, everything else adds to the skill cap of the unit. knowing which worker to target in order to minimize the buggy-ness of the scarab's ai is a skill.
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Has Blizzard specifically stated "We are looking at potentially altering Reaver mechanics"?
Wake me up when they do and then we'll talk about it.
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you do realize that the better you control your reacer like bisu the better rate the scrab will hit? I'm all for fixing that stupid reaver mindless walk. Blizz should never change anythig related to scrab
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Good discussion so far. Yeah, the main thing I was thinking of when writing this was the "walking reaver" bug. Scarabs I could definitely see as being more controversial, but the poll was supposed to be more of an open question about fixing the reavers in any way at all. Now I'm starting to wonder how many people read/understood / were previously aware of the specific reaver bug I mentioned.
The thing is, I guess, with changing scarab AI, the unit could easily become OP if that aspect was improved too much. Maybe if they just made it a little better? But then that becomes a scary thought with regard to tampering with what works and trusting Blizzard.
Also, there seems to be an unfortunate number of people in this thread who are confused about the utility of ducks, and/or mentally challenged. But I'm glad I included that so that Blizzard could document it, I guess.
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game is as perfect as you can make BW
patching reavers to make them as they should be is near impossible. They're not a perfect unit, and they could be better, but it's so hard to do that I wouldn't like to see them try to do it - because they'll most likely get it wrong (and no fault of their own, it'd be near impossible like I mentioned earlier)
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There's probably a good way to lower Reaver variance but I don't understand the way it works now well enough to propose anything. It should probably be left alone.
If Blizzard changes anything they should get rid of vision upgrades, most pointless thing in SC1.
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I love BW, but I don't get it why remastered shouldn't be a modern game, a BW copy with better AI and less bugs, a kind of Starcraft 2 BroodWar (with all the hard mechanics of course). It makes me sad, really :\
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The problem with fixing bugs that alter gameplay is the whole "slippery slope" aspect. By changing one small thing it can affect unit balance in unforseen ways. Is the reaver walking bug a nuisance? Yes. Could it be fixed without affecting balance? Maybe.
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But Chris, if something goes wrong we can go back to BW classic.. I really think they should take a shot and make Remastered a fluid BW.
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TLADT24917 Posts
Moved to blogs
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TLADT24917 Posts
Nope, don't agree with any balance related changes.
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they shouldn't even release 1.18.x and split server populations let alone "patch reavers..."
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No. Just no.
I will expound on these thoughts later.
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Stuck in traffic? Use a reaver.
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Japan11285 Posts
Reaver targetting and the annoying range reducing angle should be the only things touched imo. Scarabs being too dumb annoys me too but I don't think there is a reasonable remedy that can appease everyone (unless someone crunches the numbers or smth.)
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