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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30538 Posts
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom8727 Posts
On October 04 2017 22:54 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Episode 3 was a lot more interesting, maybe this will be something after all. But I still hate that Michael is like Neo in the Matrix, knowing everything and with extreme combat skills, I don't need another superhero series. Yeah for me Star Trek has always been about how humans, being prone as we are to getting things horribly wrong, can find our way through our shortcomings and get things right. Having a superhero main character is not a good way to examine this problem. | ||
Talaris
Switzerland747 Posts
So far the series feels / looks more like ...um.. Mass effect than Star Trek, but man, are those CGI shots epic :O If we now get some oldTrek(tm) Dilemma going with multi-layered characters on top of that.... | ||
KadaverBB
Germany25639 Posts
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3159 Posts
And I don't care about main character being female or colored, or both, the story is not about one character | ||
TigerKarlGeld
27 Posts
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TigerKarlGeld
27 Posts
On October 05 2017 08:52 Talaris wrote: normally liking strong female characters, this one piques the cynyst in me - "ofc the main character has to be a colored female superhero, whom else should all the american girls look up to" ? Are you applying the same criticism to Jean Luc Picard for being a strong white male character to whom all the american boys should look up to? Or is it really that transparent, that you're only triggered by characters that don't fall under what you consider normal for a lead character? | ||
Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
On October 05 2017 09:45 KadaverBB wrote: This simply does not feel like Star Trek. I don't even know if the show is good or bad, but it is definitely bad Star Trek -.- What is good Star Trek? | ||
Sermokala
United States13542 Posts
On October 05 2017 20:10 TigerKarlGeld wrote: Are you applying the same criticism to Jean Luc Picard for being a strong white male character to whom all the american boys should look up to? Or is it really that transparent, that you're only triggered by characters that don't fall under what you consider normal for a lead character? His point was that "colored female superhero" is the obvious choice if you don't want anyone to be able to critizie the main character. Jainway or Sisko weren't any different then any other character on the show or another show. they were good charcters and their race or gender didn't factor into anything at all. You have to admit that the main character of the show is a bit beyond beliveable. She shouldn't be in starfleet anymore after her mutiny attempt and that they're giveing her another command even with an admiral over her shoulder is just silly after that. She doesn't show the strength of character that you'd see from a captain of a previous star trek show, like jainway or sisko. | ||
TigerKarlGeld
27 Posts
On October 06 2017 00:30 Sermokala wrote: His point was that "colored female superhero" is the obvious choice if you don't want anyone to be able to critizie the main character. Jainway or Sisko weren't any different then any other character on the show or another show. they were good charcters and their race or gender didn't factor into anything at all. You have to admit that the main character of the show is a bit beyond beliveable. She shouldn't be in starfleet anymore after her mutiny attempt and that they're giveing her another command even with an admiral over her shoulder is just silly after that. She doesn't show the strength of character that you'd see from a captain of a previous star trek show, like jainway or sisko. I agree that the writing is an absolute horror, including the writing for the black female Captain figure. Where is anyone having a problem with me saying that? Where is anyone saying that you cannot criticize this show because of the choice for a main character actress? | ||
TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On October 05 2017 20:05 TigerKarlGeld wrote: So they repeatedly kept calling Klingons a race instead of a species. This level of scientific ignorance makes the show unwatchable for me, but i was extremely underwhelmed by everything else anyways. Well, to be fair Klingons and humans can canonically interbreed and have fertile offspring (just like humans and Vulcans). And today's scientific community can't even agree on what separates species once they can breed and create fertile offspring, so I wouldn't fault the show too much. After all I'm pretty sure canonically the prevailing theory is that all of the humanoid Trek races are descended from a humanoid common ancestor. | ||
Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Sermokala
United States13542 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On October 06 2017 01:23 Sermokala wrote: I think it would be much less of an issue if klingons in the show didn't look.completely different from humans or vulcans. Original star trek was a lot.closer to humans then this jj Abrams interpretation. Both of those have these weird racial overtones to them. Worf was this weird 90s ass token "one of the good ones" characters. Original series had a bunch of weirdness. If they are going to keep the the lore, it is better to make them more alien, rather than this weird savage race that all look sort of human. PS: I love Worf, but its funny to watch NG now and see the whole "noble savage" and "model minority" tropes in full bloom. | ||
{CC}StealthBlue
United States41094 Posts
Huge Section 31 foreshadowing. Also the reveal just boxed them in story wise and anyone who has seen TOS and Voyager knows what I'm talking about. | ||
Quateras
Germany867 Posts
On October 06 2017 06:30 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: + Show Spoiler + Huge Section 31 foreshadowing. Also the reveal just boxed them in story wise and anyone who has seen TOS and Voyager knows what I'm talking about. DS9 as well, where they approached Bashir :D I'm curious to see how they will approach that story wise. | ||
Chewbacca.
United States3633 Posts
On October 06 2017 06:30 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: + Show Spoiler + Huge Section 31 foreshadowing. Also the reveal just boxed them in story wise and anyone who has seen TOS and Voyager knows what I'm talking about. What reveal exactly? On October 06 2017 19:03 Quateras wrote: DS9 as well, where they approached Bashir :D I'm curious to see how they will approach that story wise. I don't think Section 31 is the reveal that he is referring to that is boxing them in, as Section 31 wasn't in TOS or Voyager as far as I recall? They were in DS9/Enterprise | ||
{CC}StealthBlue
United States41094 Posts
On October 06 2017 21:33 Chewbacca. wrote: What reveal exactly? I don't think Section 31 is the reveal that he is referring to that is boxing them in, as Section 31 wasn't in TOS or Voyager as far as I recall? They were in DS9/Enterprise + Show Spoiler + They are hinting at Section 31 but also the tech that would make warp almost instantaneous but a lot faster as well, the problem is that it has already been discovered it doesn't work/isn't stable. Otherwise Voyager would have never happened. Also that Discovery is possibly a Section 31 ship. Hence Stamets going off about having to work for a warmonger like the Capt instead of in a Lab. | ||
Fatam
1986 Posts
On October 06 2017 22:53 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: + Show Spoiler + They are hinting at Section 31 but also the tech that would make warp almost instantaneous but a lot faster as well, the problem is that it has already been discovered it doesn't work/isn't stable. Otherwise Voyager would have never happened. Also that Discovery is possibly a Section 31 ship. Hence Stamets going off about having to work for a warmonger like the Capt instead of in a Lab. I think you're being a bit short-sighted here. You can have a perfectly good story based on people's actions surrounding something that ultimately fails. I.e. it's not about the technology itself, it's about the story surrounding it.. what people do to try to make it succeed, etc. | ||
mierin
United States4938 Posts
EDIT: DS9 definitely went into this in isolated incidents, but it seems like the Federation is by default just trying to survive and do whatever it takes in this one. | ||
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