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On October 24 2017 18:00 Holyflare wrote: Yeh you slipped when you said they're gonna kill krogan instead of the guy who hammered mafia :D I also think this is terrible. Krogan was the pretty clear next kill since he was town read by the entire game while Ruxxar clearly wasn't.
And yeah maybe I'm still pissy about that Grackaroni made the same vote as Onegu push you made on me yesterday.
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On October 25 2017 12:18 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2017 18:00 Holyflare wrote: Yeh you slipped when you said they're gonna kill krogan instead of the guy who hammered mafia :D I also think this is terrible. Krogan was the pretty clear next kill since he was town read by the entire game while Ruxxar clearly wasn't. And yeah maybe I'm still pissy about that Grackaroni made the same vote as Onegu push you made on me yesterday. Who thought rux was mafia?
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On October 25 2017 06:19 Grackaroni wrote: Holyflare what is your role?
He is the mafia role blocker.
Damdred was a veteran(not a medic). There has been a night kill every night. The only way a veteran dies is if the last mafia is the roleblocker.
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On October 25 2017 06:11 Oatsmaster wrote: ##vote rux
Why do you vote for me oats? What have I done that makes you think I’m the scummiest person in the game?
If you notice, every single person that voted for Conversion day 1 has been killed by mafia
Darth foley, MrLonelyLock, Damdred. Happy krogan.
Now there is only me left, and I was the hammer on conversion.
You want to lynch the guy that absolutely hammered mafia when there was no reason to.
Remember this post?
On October 15 2017 04:33 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 04:16 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 15 2017 04:11 ruXxar wrote:On October 15 2017 04:09 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 15 2017 04:08 ruXxar wrote:On October 15 2017 03:57 Holyflare wrote: Ruxxar still thinks I'm mafia eh? The people voting conversion are town as hell. if it comes to deadline, those are who I want to be voting with. What do you expect to happen between now and deadline that you dont want to commit??? I'm hoping damerion will show up and say something. you can do something else?? You dont even want to vote damerion anyway, why does it matter if he shows up? I really dont understand what your line of play is here Damerion looks slightly worse than conversion. Conversion is at least fighting to stay alive, and I have a soft spot for people fighting when their life is on the line. My heart is telling me to vote damerion, my head is telling me to vote conversion. I haven't made up my mind yet.
If I am mafia, I have enough reason to lynch damerion.
If I was on a team with conversion(who actually plays the game) and onegu(who just afks and don’t give a shit) I’m absolurely not going to bus my only teammate that is actually trying to play the game. That is absurd.
Also if I’m scum, why do I go defending grack when he’s a lock mafia lynch for everyone in the game? It’s the dumbest of dumb mafia moves when I was smooth sailing towards a grack lynch.
On the other side you have holyflare, who was begging people to lynch damerion over Conversion:
On October 15 2017 05:30 Holyflare wrote: Everyone not voting Damerion right now I want you to write your reasons in this handy format:
All mighty Holyflare, I am sorry I am not sheeping your amazing top tier read on Damerion but I do not agree with it because (insert reasons here). Again, I am sorry that I do not support your read but acknowledge you are really, really good at this game and will listen the next time you make a read and have a full debate with you over the points that you raise. Good day, sir.
You can bet that holyflare also didnt want to lose his teammate conversion when the alternative is afk onegu.
Hammering my active partner so I can play with an afk onegu is the last thing in the world I would want.
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It’s also not like town holyflare to tunnel someone as hard as he’s done this game. Town holyflare calls everyone scum and shifts his reads around all the time.
Here it is straight from the horses mouth.
On July 27 2017 02:14 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2017 02:07 ruXxar wrote:
Sure, but when people flip their reads from town to scum to town as quick as the bat of an eye, it doesn't feel like their reads carry any weight.
This generates the feeling of light town/scum lean hedging where you always leave yourself an escape route as scum. Which is the complete opposite of my mafia meta of hounding people till they get lynched :D
I’ve been a scum partner with holyflare before and that is definitely how he plays as mafia.
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Looooool you're saying that I don't get who I want lynched as town?
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Also Grack I'm not VT, I'm vanilla town
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On October 25 2017 14:23 ruXxar wrote:Why do you vote for me oats? What have I done that makes you think I’m the scummiest person in the game? If you notice, every single person that voted for Conversion day 1 has been killed by mafia Darth foley, MrLonelyLock, Damdred. Happy krogan. Now there is only me left, and I was the hammer on conversion. You want to lynch the guy that absolutely hammered mafia when there was no reason to. Remember this post? Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 04:33 ruXxar wrote:On October 15 2017 04:16 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 15 2017 04:11 ruXxar wrote:On October 15 2017 04:09 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 15 2017 04:08 ruXxar wrote:On October 15 2017 03:57 Holyflare wrote: Ruxxar still thinks I'm mafia eh? The people voting conversion are town as hell. if it comes to deadline, those are who I want to be voting with. What do you expect to happen between now and deadline that you dont want to commit??? I'm hoping damerion will show up and say something. you can do something else?? You dont even want to vote damerion anyway, why does it matter if he shows up? I really dont understand what your line of play is here Damerion looks slightly worse than conversion. Conversion is at least fighting to stay alive, and I have a soft spot for people fighting when their life is on the line. My heart is telling me to vote damerion, my head is telling me to vote conversion. I haven't made up my mind yet. If I am mafia, I have enough reason to lynch damerion. If I was on a team with conversion(who actually plays the game) and onegu(who just afks and don’t give a shit) I’m absolurely not going to bus my only teammate that is actually trying to play the game. That is absurd. Also if I’m scum, why do I go defending grack when he’s a lock mafia lynch for everyone in the game? It’s the dumbest of dumb mafia moves when I was smooth sailing towards a grack lynch. On the other side you have holyflare, who was begging people to lynch damerion over Conversion: Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 05:30 Holyflare wrote: Everyone not voting Damerion right now I want you to write your reasons in this handy format:
All mighty Holyflare, I am sorry I am not sheeping your amazing top tier read on Damerion but I do not agree with it because (insert reasons here). Again, I am sorry that I do not support your read but acknowledge you are really, really good at this game and will listen the next time you make a read and have a full debate with you over the points that you raise. Good day, sir. You can bet that holyflare also didnt want to lose his teammate conversion when the alternative is afk onegu. Hammering my active partner so I can play with an afk onegu is the last thing in the world I would want. yeah dude, literally saying that "mafia dont bus so im not mafia" isnt gonna help.
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Since when was grack a "smooth sailing lynch"?
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Day 5 Votecount
ruXxar (2): Holyflare, Oatsmaster Holyflare (2): Grackaroni, ruXxar
As of now, ruXxar is getting lynched!
Day 5 ends Thursday, Oct 26 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) in . Voting is mandatory. Only votes made in the voting thread are valid. TL countdown synchronizes with your device local time and not with the TL server time. It might be inaccurate.
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Also, in my defence, I don't think I pushed Damerion that hard day 1 at all in comparison to what I normally would do.
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It's hilarious in fact that you pull out a quote where I'm asking for people's reasoning to be off the wagon and try and start some kind of discussion about it because that's incredibly townie.
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On October 25 2017 17:54 Oatsmaster wrote: yeah dude, literally saying that "mafia dont bus so im not mafia" isnt gonna help.
+ Show Spoiler +If I wanted to bus I did a damn bad job about it.
I didn't actively push conversion day 1. In fact I called him town early and said that I liked his tone and spirit. After town reading him for such a large part of the day, I suddenly at the end of day say that I am "unsure" and finally 5 minutes before deadline throw my vote on him and hammering him. I could've just as easily voted off-wagon like grack or voted out damerion like you and holy flare and still be alive as much as you are.
Add to the fact that onegu was voting me together with grack. The scenario you're trying to portray here is that:
I bussed conversion. Onegu bussed me.
Meanwhile I left my team mate conversion kicking and screaming trying to fight to stay alive and I just stood by and did nothing. Worse still, I spat him in the face and voted him off.
I would feel disgusted with myself if I ever did such a thing and I'll have you know I'm very fond of conversion as a person. I would never do such a thing to him.
On October 25 2017 17:55 Oatsmaster wrote: Since when was grack a "smooth sailing lynch"?
+ Show Spoiler +Since krogan made this post: On October 22 2017 21:30 happykrogan wrote:I think I vote grack today. Conversion gave him a townrad after damerions push Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 01:04 Conversion wrote:On October 15 2017 00:58 Damerion wrote:On October 15 2017 00:53 darthfoley wrote:On October 15 2017 00:48 Damerion wrote:Once again hello and like the proverbial Santa Clause I have brought a most interesting gift that I wish the thread to take a stance on and give their thoughts, and gut leanings. Firstly I read the Grackaroni and Oatsmaster exchanges and did not think much on it but as I was checking filters something very interesting popped out on me. The interesting thing is how Grackaroni treats Oatsmaster to start with and how he ends up treating him. On October 14 2017 03:10 Grackaroni wrote:I'm going to give a read that I don't think too many people will agree with but I think Oatsmaster is mafia. In this game he seems less chill compared to Hurricane and I get the sense in a few posts that he's questioning things that look unusual rather than things that I think he would normally find scummy. On October 13 2017 11:42 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 13 2017 07:59 Fecalfeast wrote: Damdred trying to pocket damerion, ruxxar ignoring oats calling him a liar. Relevant? We shall see. whats the point of this post? On October 13 2017 11:43 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 13 2017 09:10 Damdred wrote:
But seriously pocmeting people is super impkrtant in the long run for survival Can you explain why a townie wants to pocket people to survive? I left links so you can decide for yourself between the first two pages of each game, but it seems to me like he cares more about his image in this game than the other one. (he was town in hurricane.) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/527379-newbie-student-mafia-xxvii?user=Oatsmasterhttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/526614-hurricane-shelter-mafia?user=Oatsmaster We first have his original read on Oats, it was novel at the time. He has something original to show the thread and does so, it gains him some surface town credit from several members of the town. On October 14 2017 03:58 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 03:55 ruXxar wrote:On October 14 2017 03:50 Grackaroni wrote:I'm going to guess that Oats is town in that game you linked and check before I post. Yeah ok HF/Damdred/Onegu were scum but obviously town is always a more likely guess since more people roll town. I do think he looks pretty different in both of those games in the way that he accuses people. In those 2 he throws out accusations without much fanfare. Hurricane: On September 29 2017 11:51 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 29 2017 11:23 Damerion wrote: Hello, I am glad to be here playing with you fine people. Damdred speaks highly of everyone here, and I hope the game is enjoyable.
I have two things that came to mind when I read what little of the game there is.
1) Grackaroni opening post, to put it bluntly is trash. At the same time he says nothing of value and tries to buddy fecalfeast (I assume) into making an alliance when it is impossible for him to know alignments.
Unless he is mafia, which associative read incoming means FecalFeast is more likely town for the way Grackaroni interacted with him.
2) I have come up with a pretty simple plan how to approach d1.
Step one: The marksman (vig), should claim as soon as town agrees with this plan (which they should).
Step two: We should use this power as a second lynch and have a vote in thread to direct the power.
Step three: Mafia is more than likely forced into a situation where they must let the Vigilante shoot and kill him, or roleblock him. The simplest solution is to put the watcher on the Vigilante N1.
Step Four: The medic should be off doing medic things more than likely on another target, if the mafia send the godfather and kill the Vigilante nothing is lost, if they roleblock him we instantly have a one and one trade.
Step Five: I assume medic cannot protect multiple nights in a row, therefore if the Vigilante survives the medic should protect him here and the Watcher should look elsewhere.
This plan gives us the most information that we can control and boxes the mafia into only a few moves they can make early in the game.
I think we should follow this plan. mafia On September 29 2017 15:20 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 29 2017 12:21 Damerion wrote: I am unsure why you have me as mafia Oatsmaster, could you expound on why you think that?
Vivax why is directing blues in that way not pro-town? We would gain a good bit of information by controlling multiple lynches or kp, and have confirmed town for multiple days leading the town towards a strong circle.
mainly because having a second lynch really doesnt matter. On September 29 2017 16:37 Oatsmaster wrote: filter links plz
i think its pretty scumy On September 30 2017 01:23 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 29 2017 22:48 Vivax wrote: I really have no idea what is wrong with my statement. It didn't bother me much when Oats pointed it out since his read on me is always shit, but to both of you it should be obvious that it simply means claiming afk = claiming scum and if two mafias claimed scum already, then the game will be too easy and boring.
With HF there's a decent chance he actually just said it cause he did it as mafia just last game and he thinks it's funny to mess with the reads on him. But for Koshi I see no such excuse. lol Names are Hard 2: On August 26 2017 02:18 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 25 2017 05:47 Tumblewood wrote: [quote] nope i'm still here i just haven't cared enough to say anything else mafia On August 25 2017 06:21 geript wrote: [quote] I'm the towniest of all. Also, I'm pretty sure that Koshi is mafia. His post towards you and asking about Damdred's townread is pretty out of place. As Town, you love to lynch stupid; it's like your kryptonite. But as mafia you have much less of a hardon for stupid from what I've seen and just push 85% bullshit. Koshi not getting this after the last two games is pretty odd; especially since Tina brought it up in generic and Koshi was bussing her at various points. mafia geript doesnt actually care about getting koshi lynched. He just wants to sidetrack town. On August 26 2017 02:24 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 25 2017 06:10 LightningStrike wrote: I was giving rayn his time to talk to Skynx while watching Impractical Jokers. Skynx being a bit combative towards rayn hmm. Is this normal behavior from Skynx as either alignment for those who got good amount of experience playing with him? Useless question. On August 25 2017 08:37 LightningStrike wrote: [quote]
Yes I know I fooled people in the past in 2 of my scum games but Damdred usually gets me right except a few times when he either almost gets me mislynched or actually got me lynched on shannies. Damdred helped me a bit on my scum game I will tell you that as he was in a scum team with me where we almost won had it not been for sicklucker not giving a shit for a couple of cells (Cell Millionaire). Trust Damdred's read on me. Its interesting(scummy) how he says "trust" damdred's read when he doesnt know damdred's alignment. Or does he??? On August 25 2017 08:39 LightningStrike wrote: Side note I think Damdred could be town this game as well as rayn and Koshi just need them to stop fighting each other. Also this is a pretty big "side" note that LS just brushes under. He isnt trying to find mafia, hes just going with the status quo and waiting for things to happen. On August 26 2017 02:25 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 25 2017 18:21 Vivax wrote: [quote]
No idea but the idea is so abstruse to think of as mafia that I have to take it at face value. Uneccesary town read without an alternative. possible mafia. In this game I get the sense that he's putting on more of a show of pressuring people and looking useful. I don't see it grack. His tone is no different this game than from those games you quoted. Is your main issue that he doesn't use the word "Mafia" when calling out people? Because I think that is a weak argument when the message is still delivered with the same intention, tone and intensity. Well you're either going to see it or you won't. I do think there is a noticeable difference in Oats' posting and it's not just that he didn't say mafia like he did in those other two games. I have choosen to show the larger quote of the conversation between RuxXar and Grackaroni. Grackaroni is sure about his read on Oatsmaster and tries to convince based off of past tonal differences and approach to the game. At this point I do not see anything really bad about the approach. On October 14 2017 06:40 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 06:38 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 14 2017 04:28 Grackaroni wrote:Happykrogan is almost certainly town. RuXxar is also the only player silly enough to think that drawing suspicion to himself would be a good town plan. + Show Spoiler +On October 14 2017 03:36 ruXxar wrote: Then there's the passive way, where you make yourself vulnerable and allow people to push you. This requires you to make yourself a target that people want to engage with, by performing actions that people find dubious.
Have you seen any of ruxxs mafia games? I think I've skimmed some of them from when I played with him as town but I don't think I've ever seen him play mafia. On October 14 2017 08:57 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 08:46 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 14 2017 08:36 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 08:05 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 08:01 Oatsmaster wrote: [quote] so why do you use a meta read to townread someone when you have no idea how they would play as mafia??? TMI??!?
Grack wasn’t metareading ruxxar as town there, he was jut statig ruxxar was the only one silly enough to vouch drawing suspicion as a good town play. Not really seeing where you saw him draw a metaread conclusion This. I wasn't calling him town in that post. I was saying that only he could possibly think that doing that would be a good idea. but "good town plan" implies that you think hes town. Like come on dude. Stop waffling. Otherwise it would be "xx scum plan". I don't know why I always have to have these arguments with you when they always revolve around you not being able to understand a post. Here's what he said: + Show Spoiler +"To me there's two ways to solve the game.
There's the active way, were you make reads, pressure and push people. This is what people refer to when they say "Solving the game". Aka what oats is doing.
Then there's the passive way, where you make yourself vulnerable and allow people to push you. This requires you to make yourself a target that people want to engage with, by performing actions that people find dubious."
I said that he would be the only one who could possibly think that this would be pro-town because it's a silly way to play and not pro-town. On October 14 2017 09:27 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 09:15 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 14 2017 08:57 Grackaroni wrote:
I said that he would be the only one who could possibly think that this would be pro-town because it's a silly way to play and not pro-town.
but if hes mafia he doesnt think its protown and therefore you think hes town because you believe that he thinks he is doing something protown It could be that he's town and think it's smart town play or he could be mafia and still think that it's pro-town or maybe he just got a lot of attention as mafia and thinks that is a passable excuse. I think no matter what he thinks it's a reasonable sentence, but I wasn't really trying to place any particular inference onto the post. On October 14 2017 15:41 Grackaroni wrote: Oats do you like your Ruxxar vote? Now, his approach and tone towards Oatsmaster has completely changed. He is speaking to him and with him as if he is town and is trying to figure out common ground that they can work on. Grackaroni vote is still on Oatsmaster, he has tried to convince people that Oatsmaster is scum. But the approach he takes towards him does not make sense for someone with a scum read on said person. Oatsmaster nonresponse to Grackaroni posts is interesting as well. But its not quite uo to the level I just pointed out. Do you plan on ever calling someone scum, or are you just gonna keep saying stuff is "interesting?" While I appreciate your thoughts on that matter if you would turn your attention to what I actually wrote and give a word or two om that it would be appreciated. To me it just seems like Grack is not confident in his read, as no one seems to really be backing him up On October 14 2017 09:38 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 09:11 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 08:44 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 14 2017 08:10 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 08:08 Oatsmaster wrote: He didnt say "mafia wont do that", he specifically said "rux will only do that as town" I mean.. I don’t think he specifically SAID those exact words, but semantics. do you have a point that you want to make about gracks read on rux? Because right now it looks like you are arguing about it for the sake of arguing Grack isn’t making any real read besides on you, which was based on a meta read he wasn’t trying to convince me or ruxxar.. so idk I just find it interesting you ignored that fact and slammed him on something he wasn’t intending to imply I did try to convince you/Ruxxar but that's not an easy thing to do. Right now a lot of what I'm working off of is just a feel for whose posting seems weird to me out of the people I've played with before. That won't be worth much in convincing people unless other people who have played with him also feel that his posting is different, which it seems like they don't. I don't know how scum Grack plays, but it seems pretty bad to pin someone as scum and do a soft "I'm might be backing out of this read b/c now I'm unsure with no one agreeing with me" Later both mafia call him not interesting / to be ignored Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 02:08 Conversion wrote:Damerion is pretty lackluster this game. no idea why. Grack-oats interaction wasn't as interesting as he insinuated it to be. Damdred is doing nothing per usual even though he thinks he is lynch-invincible. I don't like him. I'm not lynching Onegu since he came like 1 hr before lynch and shennani'd scum in the first game I played coming back FF's posts are shit and he does nothing, but doesn't mean much since he was like that the game I lynched him. I'd lynch Xen over him, if it came to it. ruxxar seemed good, but now he's AFK. need you to get off HF and figure out scum with me instead of parking on HF. I'm never gonna townread HF, but he looks better than every single one of you except DF maybe FF/Xen for lynch today. Otherwise Damerion. Maybe spite lynch damdred for supposed lynch invincibility claim he made.. Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 04:54 Onegu wrote: On openings. There are 2 I didnt like.
Ruxxar and Damerion. Ruxxar seemed way to happy. Like way to happy, seemed off to me.
And Damerion was like lets not talk about roles but here is what you should do. Also to wordy. Seemed like he wrote it proof read it thought about it and posted it. Not really a way town thinks./ plays.
Like damdred feeling off about ruxxar says people who make him laugh but the fact he said something first I like.
Boom Oats comes in and slams Rux. I like oats.
HF says the same about Damer I like HF
Damdreds hard defend of Damer I find odd. Like he agrees he is playing different from the previous game but not enough different feels really off now with this defense.
Boom MrLonelyClock hits on Damerion. I like this newbie. He is somewhere inbetween the blue and yellow also!
Ugg but then he just is ok on Damer after one small post. TT why you do this. You null now.
Then votes with oats on Ruxx. Which I do like at this point.
I also like happykrogen at the moment. his response to damer is nice.
Yeah I like HF at the moment. Normally I just ignore him at this point. but meh.
Conversion giveing a town read and then like not saying why and its the same post other people said about Clock and the defense of Damer in the same post. dont like dont like...
Ruxxar like conversion. Makes me like conversion even less...
Ruxxar shits on me. Like Ruxxar even less.
Krogan voteing Rux. I like I like.
My god I like Rux less and less as I read. Like coaching the newbies to look helpful. Bleh I just dont like him at all.
Krogran picks up on it. My HERO!!!
Ruxxar going to try to lynch me I can feel it.
FF giveing Ruxxar a out is meh really.
I really feel weird about people 13 pages in only having town reads. Like not even scum leans its null or town thats it.
Ruxxar with the coaching again. Like I guess its a defense of him self but the way he does it in like a coaching way. Activity is town blah blah blah just rubs me the wrong way.
Grack is forgettable... bleh
HF is back to ignore... The whole krogan/ruxxar thing and HF response to it is making my response ignore HF.
DF I am ok with for now. His post about agreeing with HF on Krogan is bleh. I mean who isnt town reading Krogan right now? And that is a reason to give HF a pass? And I dont really like his Ruxxar town read. But his post isnt bringing any more red flags other than those.
But then the next post is within HF scum range... Lol ok... Still ok with DF.
Oats TMI post is meh. Still like his pushes though....
The whole thing on pocketing people is stupid and I am dumber for reading it.
HUH xenon thinks rux is town so he votes Oats? That cant be a scum play right> Like it just cant. I mean right? Huh?
Oats points out my thought on xenonn but I think 60% lynch bait 40% scum because really?
So I am running out of time so I am going to post this. I am still reading but I am also about to Top 8 a large MTGO tourny. Sooooo.
But it doesn't really stick out in their filters. They both put it in bigger posts. It seems like they would want to demonstrate how irrelevant Grack is. Also there are things in his filter I don't like Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 02:04 Grackaroni wrote:On October 15 2017 02:01 Holyflare wrote: Onegu did the exact same thing afking last game and was town, Conversion, it's just a 50/50 whether he's mafia so to have him as your biggest scum read is somewhat of a giant cop out when there's a plethora of people posting. nah it's a 21.4/78.6 because probabilities. I know this is a weaker point but I still want to mention it. With mentioning the exact probabilties it seems like he want to demonstrate that it's unlikely that Onegu is mafia. Show nested quote +On October 16 2017 06:30 Grackaroni wrote: HF/Onegu or Oatsmaster/Onegu.
Without reading anything beyond Damerion's post I quite like that idea. Mafia probably aren't going to just stack all 3 people on the Damerion lynch. A day later he says it's likely that Onegu is mafia, but he never commited or tried to push. Show nested quote +On October 16 2017 08:11 Grackaroni wrote:Actually I think we should kill Fecalfeast. His scum reads are all just the 3 people who took pressure yesterday plus he was one of the people on the Damerion wagon and I noticed this call out from Darthfoley. On October 14 2017 07:17 darthfoley wrote:Okay, so i really like happykrogan guy. Which makes me also like HF, because he drew the same conclusion that I did: I doubt a newbie like krogan would be this active and not be afraid to call someone out as first time mafia. I think ruxxar is town, but I can understand why people-- especially new players-- might interpret his play as mafia. I also think Oats is more likely town than not. He was one of the first players to get the game moving, and I like his pressure on the LonelyClock dude. Still waiting for an answer on this, I think On October 13 2017 15:34 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 13 2017 14:49 MrLonelyClock wrote:
I agreed about ruxxar posting fluff. Me voting on ruxxar != me thinking he is mafia atm. But I can see how you could come to that conclusion now. I guess we will have to disagree on the counterpoints validity.
So why are you voting for him? Don't like Damdred or FF right now. FF: On October 14 2017 00:15 Fecalfeast wrote: Like I said early on, ruxxar is trying too hard On October 14 2017 01:52 Fecalfeast wrote: Tbh i think ruxxar not giving a shit seems towny This progression is odd and without any sort of explanation. The first post also doesn't say anything. People can try hard from either alignment. Also strikes me as odd that he's scum reading Damerion for unearned town read on FF... On October 14 2017 03:31 Fecalfeast wrote:On October 14 2017 02:45 MrLonelyClock wrote: fecal if you think ruxxar is towny then who do you think currently is the most scummy then (can be 1 or more)? Damerion for giving me a town read for basocally no reason. Seems tmi to me When Damdred has somehow managed to townread like 6 people and put them into "no lynch" pile just 24h into the game. Yet no mention of Damdred. It's like he doesn't exist. Speaking of Damdred On October 14 2017 03:21 Damdred wrote: Ok, so I feel a little guilty at this point in time and I will try to be tge old Damdred this game.
Fact check away on my reads this train aint got no breaks and i aint got time to quote on phone.
Town Reads:
Damerion, he has this thing he does as town where he will have this skrt of mission statement about how he will approach the game. He has checked that, he gives clear concise reada with hard reasoning behind it, done. He also seems to try to draw people into conversation instead of existing.
Rux rux baby: Off the cuff read, the eay he responds to the pressure is town. Does t care, tries to be helpful and then establishes where he wants to be in the game. I think hes just going to be town for the tone and the lressure, but his reads were not bad.
If anyone tries to lynch rux at least today I will let slip the dogs of war and create chaos.
FF: Hey buddy we should work together, care free attitude. Gives some opinions still a bit weak on a few points, overall would not kynch today.
Gracky: Posts his thoughts, goes against thread sentiment a post or two ago. Seems to be looking where others dont, no lynch today.
Oats: Seemed to be reading the game a d his lressure wasnt horrid. It is defi ately not top town worthy but enough for a pass.
Xenon and nylonelylock are both town i feel for how they approached the game as newbs. Meh they were soitting fire earlier
Everyone else is in this null range besides hf who I love dearly but am ignoring until he wants cuddles. Besides the fact that Damdred has only given vague town/null leans on virtually every active player, one read sticks out to me as more scummy than others. Damdred's read on FF feels fabricated. FF "gives some opinions" but FF is "weak on a few points" yet Damdred would still not lynch him today. He never specifies what points he's weak on, doesn't try to follow up with FF and clarify those "weak points." Talk about an unearned town read. So I have no idea why FF isn't scum reading Damdred considering his self imposed criteria regarding Damerion. In the last game FF slipped by carelessly saying that he would just sheep HF without noticing that HF was pushing somebody he was town reading. He went from calling Ruxxar scum for trying too hard to calling him town because he doesn't give a shit in an hour, and it was around the time people's opinion of Ruxxar seemed to be shifting. He was the first one to vote FF day2 but afer this post he stayed in the background. I always remembered as HF's lynch but he was actually the first one. And holy flare made these posts about grack: On October 22 2017 00:27 Holyflare wrote: It's just fucking boring to play these games because it's the same every damn time, either I'm mafia and play non-stop to win or other people are mafia and afk the shit out of the game and make any kind of analysis absolutely irrelevant and it's a colossal waste of my time. Onegu just afked at the start of the game and didn't even save his team mate and likely his other team mate is the newbie or grack and didn't even vote for damerion to save conversion.
Then the rest of the game who aren't even mafia can't even be fucked to vote when they have 48 hours to place a vote and instead they wait until 47.5 hours to place a vote. The whole point of the game is to vote, analyse what they post and find contradictions but instead we just have people that could be mafia or are just lazy town just voting because they HAVE to to avoid modkill.
It's really not fun and please think twice about signing up if you're not going to play. On October 24 2017 05:05 Holyflare wrote: Don't particularly care if newbie dies because he could equally be mafia and this game would be even more irrelevant but I'm placing my vote on the only guy to join mafia onegu on a shenanigan wagon at near deadline which was grack. On October 24 2017 09:18 Holyflare wrote: It's really quite simple. Mafia's strategy is to keep their team mate alive. The fact that onegu tried to initiate a shenanigan on a completely different wagon is fucking retarded but he stuck to it when 90% of his read through was that Damerion was mafia. It didn't make the slightest bit of sense to vote onegu and I still wouldn't ever agree with Damerion that what he said makes onegu mafia in a million years when the assumption is that mafia is fucking stupid.
Now, we know that the mafia plan was to instead initiate a shenanigan to ruxxar or whoever the fuck onegu was on. Either onegu does this to further his retarded plot and distance on mafia team mate ruxxar or the mafia counter wagon to save conversion was ruxxar. The fact you voted ruxxar was very out of the blue and you were further off wagon for no reason to begin with. It's quite likely you tried to divert with onegu rather than the mafia strategy just being let conversion die. and you made these posts about grack On October 24 2017 07:30 Oatsmaster wrote: I really don't like the ideas that grack is pushing on HF that don't make any sense. On October 24 2017 10:10 Oatsmaster wrote: You know what grack. You were super non committal around day 1. On October 24 2017 10:14 Oatsmaster wrote: I don't see any reason at all why you voted for rux And I made these posts about grack: On October 18 2017 16:28 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 01:19 Grackaroni wrote: I don't think Conversion is a good lynch he seems very relaxed to me.
This was when he was being pressured by DF and flailing around. Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 02:18 Grackaroni wrote:On October 15 2017 02:16 Damdred wrote: Im going backslide a bit, if there is a scum between conversion and df its df.
Hot take Seconded. But I figured you meant to say Lonelylock/Conversion was town v town, which I would absolutely agree with. He thought conversion was more towny than DF. Im voting grack tomorrow. Scum team could just be damdred/grack to be honest. On October 18 2017 16:33 ruXxar wrote: I actually feel very confident in a grack/damdred team.
All of town had grack as a suspect. A smart mafia would keep his mouth shut and roll with that town sentinment. Especially if it was me after having lynched mafia day 1. Why do I throw away my town cred by defending grack? I was expecting town sentinment to turn against me. What's happening right now is exactly as I predicted it would be. 1) I defend grack 2) Krogan gets lynched. 3) Holyflare is going to call me mafia Now compare the situation I'm in now, to the one before I defended grack. In every single scenario, defending grack is a terrible move when I know that everyone is suspicious of grack. I'm not doing this because I want to lynch holyflare. I'm doing this because I don't want to lynch town and lose the game.
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well you're doing a shit job of that right now because anyone that's town in this game knows I just confirmed myself
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Er yeah what you described is a bus. And you did get a whole lotta cred from being on that wagon compared to being on dam.
Onegu was just trying to muddy the waters, you had no chance of being lynched.
About the grack thing, I obviously changed my mind before the night flip.
Your read on grack is incredibly old too. Like come on man. Also, you defended grack so that he would vote with you and all you had to do is convince me that HF is mafia.
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On October 26 2017 02:08 Oatsmaster wrote: Also, you defended grack so that he would vote with you and all you had to do is convince me that HF is mafia.
Let's do an exercise from before I defended grack. If you were me and I was mafia, who do you think you would have the most success attempting to lynch of these 3 people?
You Grack Holyflare
+ Show Spoiler +Here are the sentiments before I defended grack.
Holyflare: Wants to lynch grack. Grack: Wants to lynch holyflare. Oats: Wants to lynch grack. Me: Wants to lynch grack.
If I try to lynch you, I would have to convince grack and holyflare. If I try to lynch holyflare I would have to convince you. If I try to lynch grack, I wouldn't have to convince anyone.
The least path of resistance is to lynch grack.
Instead I decided to take the path that needs not only convincing you, but turns one of the hardest people in the game to lynch against me.
If I came this close to winning the game in mylo, it's a suicide attempt to try and lynch holyflare at this point. After all the work I did bussing earlier in the game, I would throw it now at the end by lynching holyflare.
The level of decision making from the early bus to this late game throw do not line up as being planned out by a mafia trying his hardest to win the game.
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Probably HF is the easiest to lynch.
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Also that whole thing is a bunch of WIFOM
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On October 26 2017 02:57 Oatsmaster wrote: Probably HF is the easiest to lynch.
Why is HF easier to lynch than Grack?
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On October 26 2017 03:20 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2017 02:57 Oatsmaster wrote: Probably HF is the easiest to lynch. Why is HF easier to lynch than Grack? Because of all the things you said lol.
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