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On January 10 2018 03:48 Unleashing wrote: I'll watch Hiatus x Hiatus when Togashi decides to finish his story. These are similiar to my thoughts. It wouldn't be as big of a deal if it regularly got updated, like One Piece or something, but it doesn't. | ||
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On January 10 2018 04:09 Sentenal wrote: These are similiar to my thoughts. It wouldn't be as big of a deal if it regularly got updated, like One Piece or something, but it doesn't. Not everyone can be a God like Oda. | ||
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True dat, there is only one Goda! | ||
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On January 09 2018 05:38 IceHism wrote: A lot of shows haven't really started yet. oh I see, guess it makes sense then. made me chuckle lol On January 09 2018 17:07 Grettin wrote: Yeah. What I've read they've gotten a lot of praise to get bullying and othre issues into the 'mainstream light', if you will. Thats one of the reasons I love it so much that they tackle with issues that are very present around the world, especially in Japan. oh yes, don't get me wrong. I don't hate the show haha, I like it overall. It's just that at times, the show tries really hardcore to make you feel emotional. + Show Spoiler + Take anohana for example, at least there, the subject itself was emotionally charged and the whole anime had a single focus. Here, you get the sad life of the MC from his family to his adopted one then you get the emotions of his close friend who's also extremely ill then you get more emotions for the family that he's grown really close to. Not saying everything should be jolly but honestly, maybe focus on bullying and the MC's life, avoiding the whole 'your friend is also sick' etc... On January 10 2018 03:42 NewSunshine wrote: So I watched Hunter X Hunter, after some... fervent recommendations here. :p Loved it, absolutely adore the series. Currently sitting on the last episode till I have the energy for the feels involved. Kinda sad about its reputation as Hiatus X Hiatus. This had to have been one of the best series I've ever seen, in terms of how it treats its side characters, how it treats antagonists, as well as internal consistency. It developed its system of supernatural powers after some initial intrigue, introducing Nen, and kept the way it works consistently interesting, while also making sure that if a character is established as a super strong badass, they don't get nerfed mid-season for no obvious reason. Guess I'll spoiler the rest for anyone who happens on this that hasn't watched it. If you're reading this, random anime-watcher who hasn't seen HxH, do it. Now. Drop what you're doing. Then thank Yoshihiro Togashi. + Show Spoiler [spoilery shit] + Most of my comments here are about the infamous Chimera Ant arc, which I could tell was the main garnerer of complaints going in. It's where my complaints come from as well. It was an interesting experience though, because it wasn't the usual shift most series go through, where there's a general dip in quality. I didn't get that sense. All the while, I hated, absolutely hated, and still hate, the Chimera Ants themselves. Completely uninteresting as characters, and unsympathetic as antagonists. Giant insects with non-insect qualities, that have massive power levels and came almost literally out of nowhere, what wasn't to hate? The arc also had a pretty bad pacing problem, it was way too long, and by the time it was over the narrator was pretty suffocating as well. When it finally ended, I breathed a sigh of relief. I could actually tell there was a point when Togashi-sensei realized the Ants were terrible characters, because in the latter half they try to give them actual character, by having them regain memories from when they were still human, and some of them question their motives and assert their independence, but also the way the arc ended. The ending, for what it's worth, I didn't actually hate. For as much as I hate all the regular Chimera Ants, the King was handled very well, so that by the end his death made me sad. Through his games with Komugi, and his love for strategy, he had as much depth and humanity as any of the hunters. It was a good way for it to go out. Also RIP Netero-san, you badass old man. But through all of this, and my rollercoaster of mainly hatred for the ants, as well as that one weird as fuck episode when the Royal Guard revived the King, I still really, really enjoyed the arc. Even though the arc was all about gearing up to destroy the Chimera Ants and their King, Togashi-sensei had the good sense to introduce a lot of outside buildup scenes. Gon and Killua were forced to accept their weakness and leave to re-train after Kite's defeat, which served as the perfect segue for new characters to be introduced. New hunters, specifically. And I love them all. They're an interestingly well-written set of characters, considering how terrible the Ants were. This gives me the sense that the Ants were more of an experiment narratively, and not just Togashi losing his edge. Because even as the arc progressed and I continued to hate every Ant except the King, all the other characters managed to be interesting and awesome. The other minus I'll give the Chimera Ant arc was the complete AWOL-itude of Leorio and Kurapika. Weirdly, I still immensely enjoyed it though. The internal logic and consistency of the series was top-notch, overall. The system of covenants and constraints is one that remains interesting, and used well. The only time anyone had a major jump in power, not explained by training, was through the use of this system. When Gon inexplicably summoned enough power to destroy Pitou, it was because of a tradeoff that almost took his life. But, most importantly, no character is ever rendered irrelevant. You feel a solid sense of progression as Gon and Killua continue to develop their powers, but you still feel they have a long way to go, when you see what someone like Netero can do. Overall, it pulls of something most series really don't. Dragonball Z is the archetypical example of a series making side characters useless, but there are many others like it. Overall, I was super impressed that Hunter X Hunter always managed to keep every character pertinent and interesting. There's always a very solid sense of great world-building as you move from one location to the next, and new characters never feel fabricated whole-cloth. The fights, when they occur, always remain interesting, because the series was never really about the fights. It was always about the mind games, deduction, and inference. What wasn't said was as important as what was. It was about the hunt. A+ HxH was great. + Show Spoiler + Personally, I loved the chimera arc and I liked Kurapika in the earlier stages (don't remember his relevance if any in later arcs tbh). He had that awesome fight with Uvo early on and I kinda wish we got much more of that (I think we had a bit more at best? can't remember anymore). I will say one thing though, that whole massive powerup that Gon got, all in order to exact revenge on Pitou was a bit annoying. I liked Pitou's character and Gon was severely outmatched. Don't really agree fully with what transpired even if he got sidelined hardcore afterwards and his fate was unknown till the end. | ||
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I haven't watched it though and probably won't. I loved naruto, but I'm satisfied with it being concluded and don't want to see what boruto wants to show. | ||
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Boruto is a a new show, it is not "a show that is continuing from where Naruto ended". And it needs to appeal to the younger audience(think - very young) who have not seen naruto, but want to get into the universe. It's a show with a completely new and young protagonist, and the show has to be centered around him, not naruto. Considering how naruto ended, you can't make a continuation in any way that wouldn't involve naruto being the central figure considering his place in the world and the strength he has. so no, afaik, Boruto is not garbage(probably- i haven't really seen it myself, at the very least not garbage because of the reason you mentioned.), it's just not the show that you preferred it to be. Afaik even most critics praise boruto on actually not being shit, and like the change of setting, and change of the world (technologies being given more focus, trains being a thing, etc) | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + The problem is that naruto ended with naruto finally achieving peace and breaking the cycle of hatred and then boruto starts with a flashforward to war returning and characters like naruto being more than just implied dead meaning that everything the main series represented and the entire ending itself was meaningless, naruto accomplished fuckall and failed at everything since he fixed literally nothing about the ninja world. It's actually offensive to anyone who followed the original series, not to mention the designs in the flashforward are downright shitty. In general the boruto manga is embarassing and the dude they got to draw it reworked too many character designs and in general the art is just trash. And the fact that boruto as a series is already by virtue of the flashforward ensured to get the garbage powercreep that naruto had along with random powerups when it had the chance to remain a more grounded series. Boruto is shit, both the character and the series. So yes, boruto is garbage, and yes one of the reasons for that is the reason i mentioned. I don't even think you have any idea of what i wanted boruto to be as a show. A sequel doesn't exist in a vacuum, if it takes the ending of the thing before it and takes a fat dump on everything the conclusion to the original built up to, then it's definitely a garbage sequel. And it's not like i had any real attachment to naruto as a series at the end, considering the series got progressively worse as it went on until it was pretty fucking awful. And i don't really care what 'critics' say. 'Critics' praise plenty of shitty stuff. | ||
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And how exactly do I have no idea what your issues with the series is, if you've plainly stated it in initial post? And everything you said now is basically just the same thing. Also you're the one doing the assuming here saying that I've never looked into it. Yes I have not watched the series, but I've looked into it plenty, and I have several people telling me things about it, which is enough for me to have an opinion on it. you saying "when it had the chance to remain a more grounded series." is exactly what it doesn't want to be. What Boruto tries to do is get young people excited for a new long-running show. You are not a kid, so it doesn't appeal to you. It's trying to build a new fanbase, with a completely different show whose message is anything but "grounded". It has a whole new world to build, and it's trying to do it from scratch, and it needs time to get people(not people like us, but new people, young people) excited about the new characters. My point is that you really should just stop looking at boruto as a continuation of naruto(or as a sequel) and start looking at a whole new series starting from 0 and with its own story to tell, and with a "past" which might not even match the happenings in the naruto you know. The end of naruto shouldn't matter and it doesn't when it comes to the anime that is Boruto. That is how I see it and how I think it should actually be looked at. There can't be a sequel to Naruto. It ended. Completely. so yeah, again - I don't know if boruto is actually shit, but it sure as hell isn't shit because it doesn't continue the story that the naruto series started and finished. There are plenty of people who like it, and most people who are hating on it have either only seen 4 episodes, or are just hung up on it being a sequel to naruto, or most of the time - both. MAL reviews show this en-masse. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On January 10 2018 19:36 abuse wrote: How can you say that you're not missing any point at all and then write this post? Because i'm not? On January 10 2018 19:36 abuse wrote:And how exactly do I have no idea what your issues with the series is, if you've plainly stated it in initial post? And everything you said now is basically just the same thing. You have no idea since you seem to think that my problem is that it's a new series and not """a show that is continuing from where Naruto ended""". Which is not in any way shape or form my problem. I don't mind that it tries to appeal to a younger audience, so did naruto. So does plenty of series currently running in shounen jump and they aren't this shit. Appealing to a younger audience isn't an excuse for taking a sequel in a retarded direction. On January 10 2018 19:36 abuse wrote:you saying "when it had the chance to remain a more grounded series." is exactly what it doesn't want to be. What Boruto tries to do is get young people excited for a new long-running. You are not a kid, so it doesn't appeal to you. It's trying to build a new fanbase, with a completely different show whose message is anything but "grounded". I'm sorry but what? Are you for real here? Are you saying a story can't be grounded and appeal to kids? That's a load of horse shit. Boruto could've easily remained grounded and not resorted to garbage random asspull powerups and powercreep, plenty of shows that have been MASSIVELY succesful with younger audiences have avoided that bullshit. You don't need shitty storytelling to appeal to kids. Also "You are not a kid, so it doesn't appeal to you" is still a really dumb thing to say considering how many series in WSJ manage to appeal to kids and still not be shit. I watch and read plenty of shit written for a shounen audience, it being written for that audience is clearly not what determines if i like something or not. Also due to the nature of a magazine like WSJ, a shit ton of the kids reading boruto now almost certainly also read naruto before it ended. On January 10 2018 19:36 abuse wrote:My point is that you really should just stop looking at boruto as a continuation of naruto(or as a sequel) and start looking at a whole new series starting from 0 and with its own story to tell, and with a "past" which might not even match the happenings in the naruto you know. But it is a continuation and sequel of naruto. This is a fucking fact, it does not exist in a vacuum and it was even marketed as the sequel to naruto, they're still doing promo stuff in this regard like including boruto characters in naruto games, using naruto gaiden chapters or novels to promote it and so on. Like the scarlet spring gaiden which was a part of the naruto manga teasing stuff that'd be included in the boruto series. It's using a ton of the same themes, a ton of the same ideas yet it manages to ruin the ending of the original series for no fucking reason. And even looking at it without considering that it's a sequel it's still garbage. There are a hundred ways you could've written the boruto series without turning it into garbage and without it being a garbage-tier sequel. On January 10 2018 19:36 abuse wrote:The end of naruto shouldn't matter and it doesn't when it comes to the anime that is Boruto. That is how I see it and how I think it should actually be looked at. There can't be a sequel to Naruto. It ended. Completely. The boruto manga and anime are sequels to the naruto franchise. It doesn't matter how you see it, this is literally the fact of the matter. To quote the person who's literally in charge of the manga right now, Ikemoto: Plus if it's a continuation, you're bound to whatever came before. But with a reboot, you can do whatever you want and nobody can complain. I really liked that aspect of it. But when i received the story, it was totally just a sequel. And at that point i was in too deep to escape. Oh and why not quote Kishimoto on the matter too I had done everything i wanted to with the series, so i wasn't up for it. I was fine with ending it at that point, but if Mikio-kun was drawing the sequel then i was okay with it .Even Kishimoto himself calls it a sequel. On January 10 2018 19:36 abuse wrote:so yeah, again - I don't know if boruto is actually shit, but it sure as hell isn't shit because it doesn't continue the story that the naruto series started and finished. I'm not asking it to continue the story for fuck's sake, i'm asking that it doesn't ignore/shit on the context of the setting, characters and everything that came before. I didn't want it to be a continuation of the same story, i wanted a new story in the same setting, but i also wanted it to be written within the context of the story that came before. Like a good sequel would be. Also if it was actually a good story in itself that'd be good too, but it isn't. On January 10 2018 19:36 abuse wrote:There are plenty of people who like it, and most people who are hating on it have either only seen 4 episodes, or are just hung up on it being a sequel to naruto, or most of the time - both. MAL reviews show this en-masse. MAL reviews and scores are literally meaningless. Anyway i'm not gonna continue this discussion after this since we clearly don't see eye to eye on this. I consider boruto to be absolute garbage. Both as a sequel and in itself. | ||
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If you want to quote things, then I can take a quote from the very same article. "Boruto: Naruto Next Generations made its debut in April, and the anime has already won over new and returning audiences." Obviously it's doing well for itself then! Also in the very same article they speak about how it's really hard to make an actual sequel to naruto, yet you're here saying there are so many ways to do it. We're going in too deep here compared to what I care to know about the franchise to argue about it so I'll concede my point. | ||
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On January 10 2018 20:37 abuse wrote: I don't see a single way of the hundred ways you see that could make a show about a new, young character work well as a sequel to naruto. You can't tell a story about ninjas fighting if there is no more hatred or war in the world. That's kinda the point. The story was meant to end there, but Boruto undid everything so it could keep going. That's bad sequel 101. | ||
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On January 11 2018 01:05 NewSunshine wrote: That's kinda the point. The story was meant to end there, but Boruto undid everything so it could keep going. That's bad sequel 101. Boruto created hatred again? o.o | ||
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Story is pretty bad too. Plus we get to see shit plot points that just emphasize how shit a parent/husband sasuke is. Almost as if the new writer knows just how bad that was done. | ||
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