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Ok let's finalize this now:
JimmiC vs. Ace:
Is Wiggins below average (Ace) OR average or better (JimmiC)?
1. Control players: Gary Harris, Mayo, Stuckey, McLemore, G. Henderson* 2. Metric: Win Shares (WS) 3. Bet forced signature: ???
Ace and JimmiC, please specify what sig bet you want the other to use if he loses.
*based on BBallbreakdown. The list is limited to players with the same position as Wiggins (SG).
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That won't work because most of those guys are either out of the league (mayo and henderson) or not playing the Wiggins minutes.
I think just the head to head match up between Harris and Wiggins with Draftking scoring of their box scores is the easiest and most fun. And the bet is forced signature for entire playoffs.
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Lol @ the players he picked. Just ridiculous. Look Wiggins is still bad. 2 good games vs a what he's done all season doesn't change that. If you want to be purely objective just model the 4 factors of basketball and see how well Wiggins stacks up vs league average. You don't want to use positions either. Use only Wings if you want to actually give Wiggins a crutch to stand on.
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Nothing over 50 games "proves" anything. But who wants to make a bet that ends when Wiggins Career ends? I mean in truth, I don't think any "bad" players are going to get the minutes and responsibility that Wiggins gets on a team that is likely to finish 2-5th in the west.
If you like my bet offer take it, the goal was to do something fun and fairly simple. If you don't, don't no harm no foul and lets move on.
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NBA G League 26 team Showcase is in Misssissauga and i'll be going tomorrow and Saturday. fun times!
26 games in 4 days. http://gleague.nba.com/news/schedule-announced-nba-g-league-showcase-2018/
with the Raptors missing Ibaka and Lowry there might be a few players in a double header tonight. the 905 have a game at 12 and Toronto has a game at 8.
On January 11 2018 17:33 Phredxor wrote: Man this thread is something. For how much the Jimmis talk about ignoring each other, half the thread is just them sniping at one another. I like this bet though. i've never said i'm ignoring the other guy. he talks about ignoring me all the time and put it in his signature.. while at the same time responding to my post while quoting me. the self contradictions are rather amusing.
my sig on the other hand... well you'll have to google it.
On January 11 2018 06:21 Jerubaal wrote: Somebody must like him. His VORP is -0.1 which is about as fucking average as you can get. I'll be glad to change it to "serviceable player". My point is that his problem is the expectation, not his absolute value.
worst VORP of any starter. only bazz,crawford, and brooks are worse. 3 very limited players. his RPM is -0.1. both VORP and RPM are saying the same thing. below average as a starter.
what i'm saying is.. he is improving. but still below average as a starter. i'm not going to repeat my estimated timeline for his improvement.. its in my posts.
wiggins solid play outside of shooting is not enough to make up for 62% from the line, 43% from the field, 32% from 3, and an inefficient .475 eFG
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On January 12 2018 03:12 JimmiC wrote: Nothing over 50 games "proves" anything. But who wants to make a bet that ends when Wiggins Career ends? I mean in truth, I don't think any "bad" players are going to get the minutes and responsibility that Wiggins gets on a team that is likely to finish 2-5th in the west.
If you like my bet offer take it, the goal was to do something fun and fairly simple. If you don't, don't no harm no foul and lets move on.
How about we use his career up until now?
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On January 12 2018 04:29 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2018 03:12 JimmiC wrote: Nothing over 50 games "proves" anything. But who wants to make a bet that ends when Wiggins Career ends? I mean in truth, I don't think any "bad" players are going to get the minutes and responsibility that Wiggins gets on a team that is likely to finish 2-5th in the west.
If you like my bet offer take it, the goal was to do something fun and fairly simple. If you don't, don't no harm no foul and lets move on. How about we use his career up until now?
We basically have and disagree, the tough thing with Basketball is there is not a agreed upon metric to measure. If this was baseball we could simply look at WARP. Right now you can bring up stats that make him look bad and I can bring up stats that make him look great. I think at this point he falls in the middle you think he is trash. I don't think there is any metric right now that publicly exists that we would agree on. That is why I thought a head to head with someone you think is vastly superior might work for a fun bet. But I'm down for looking at whatever offer you have. Just make it specific and easy for us to see/measure.
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On January 12 2018 03:06 Ace wrote: Lol @ the players he picked. Just ridiculous. Look Wiggins is still bad. 2 good games vs a what he's done all season doesn't change that. If you want to be purely objective just model the 4 factors of basketball and see how well Wiggins stacks up vs league average. You don't want to use positions either. Use only Wings if you want to actually give Wiggins a crutch to stand on. It was just an attempt to initiate, just trying to start the ball rolling. The final word comes from you and JimmiC :D
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Thomas is starting tonight, I saw him one other game with cle looked great, interesting to see tonight
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This first half is a absolute beat down. TO is killing them. IT is missing everything. Lebron is the only useful player
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Lowry for Mirotec and 2 chicago deep dish pizzas...
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Cavs defense is so trash. Opp eFG% of 53.9%. That's tied with the '96-'97 Celtics for the 5th worst all-time. Celtics finished with a record of 15-67 that season. It's actually remarkable that they are the 3rd seed with a historically bad defense.
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Yikes and IT coming back is not going to help that
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what have i been saying for months? fortunately, i'm not the type of guy to say "i told ya so".
"you can not stop Poetl.. you can only contain him" ![](/mirror/smilies/smile.gif) "This is an old fashioned.... take you behind the woodshed... beat down" TNT is the best.
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2 for 15 aint gonna help either.
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Lorenzo Brown playing teh day-night double header... Cleveland is only 2 games ahead of Miami.
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On January 12 2018 12:00 Jerubaal wrote: 2 for 15 aint gonna help either.
Yeah he was bad tonight. But i guess that is expected when you miss half the season with an injury.
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