On January 31 2018 19:38 Heartland wrote:
He also got murdered by Keen when he tried
He also got murdered by Keen when he tried
"murdered" he isnt a Cyclose abuser
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
On January 31 2018 19:38 Heartland wrote: Show nested quote + On January 31 2018 19:37 Fango wrote: Maru's standard/lategame TvT is one of the best in Korea, but he avoids it at all costs for some reason. Always goes for proxies or coinflips. He also got murdered by Keen when he tried "murdered" he isnt a Cyclose abuser | ||
Pandemona
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Fango
United Kingdom8807 Posts
On January 31 2018 19:38 Heartland wrote: Show nested quote + On January 31 2018 19:37 Fango wrote: Maru's standard/lategame TvT is one of the best in Korea, but he avoids it at all costs for some reason. Always goes for proxies or coinflips. He also got murdered by Keen when he tried I didn't see the games but from the comments I got the impression the games were over quick with Maru losing the cyclone phase? | ||
deacon.frost
Czech Republic12116 Posts
On January 31 2018 19:39 Fango wrote: Show nested quote + On January 31 2018 19:38 Heartland wrote: On January 31 2018 19:37 Fango wrote: Maru's standard/lategame TvT is one of the best in Korea, but he avoids it at all costs for some reason. Always goes for proxies or coinflips. He also got murdered by Keen when he tried I didn't see the games but from the comments I got the impression the games were over quick with Maru losing the cyclone phase? Yes, the "macro" phase was just Maru cutting corners and Keen in the lead. | ||
Pandemona
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GoloSC2
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On January 31 2018 19:38 DieuCure wrote: Show nested quote + On January 31 2018 19:38 Heartland wrote: On January 31 2018 19:37 Fango wrote: Maru's standard/lategame TvT is one of the best in Korea, but he avoids it at all costs for some reason. Always goes for proxies or coinflips. He also got murdered by Keen when he tried "murdered" he isnt a Cyclose abuser proxy reaper definitely morally superior | ||
deacon.frost
Czech Republic12116 Posts
On January 31 2018 19:40 Pandemona wrote: Maru lost early game but he was the one going greedy, he was getting his 3rd CC out by the time Keen would push with 3 Cylone and a tank or two and Maru would have literally nothing. But that's the issue here You can't talk about murdering in the lategame when he lost the game in the early game | ||
Yiome
China1687 Posts
On January 31 2018 19:38 DieuCure wrote: Show nested quote + On January 31 2018 19:38 Heartland wrote: On January 31 2018 19:37 Fango wrote: Maru's standard/lategame TvT is one of the best in Korea, but he avoids it at all costs for some reason. Always goes for proxies or coinflips. He also got murdered by Keen when he tried "murdered" he isnt a Cyclose abuser reaper = good and Cyclone = abuser ? This is like saying ling-baneling all in in ZvZ is genius and roach war is bad. I failed to see the rationale here. Bulky units like cyclone does require good micro to use properly. Similar to setting up good concave in a roach war. | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51327 Posts
On January 31 2018 19:42 deacon.frost wrote: Show nested quote + On January 31 2018 19:40 Pandemona wrote: Maru lost early game but he was the one going greedy, he was getting his 3rd CC out by the time Keen would push with 3 Cylone and a tank or two and Maru would have literally nothing. But that's the issue here You can't talk about murdering in the lategame when he lost the game in the early game I also don't think Maru is good late game TvT anyway. In LOTV he basically is imo MKP mark II where he just goofs randomly trying assert pressure on the map which is just way to risky in Marine Tank comps. One bad siege / un siege and you can lose the game which is how i reminded myself of the Maru vs GuMiho series last year in Quarter Finals. | ||
Aunvilgodess
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Fango
United Kingdom8807 Posts
On January 31 2018 19:42 deacon.frost wrote: Show nested quote + On January 31 2018 19:40 Pandemona wrote: Maru lost early game but he was the one going greedy, he was getting his 3rd CC out by the time Keen would push with 3 Cylone and a tank or two and Maru would have literally nothing. But that's the issue here You can't talk about murdering in the lategame when he lost the game in the early game That's the point. Maru's lategame is very good but he always goes for coinflip builds (rushes, fast 3 CC) and loses earlygame. In iem against gumiho, he was fighting well in the lategame, yet he lost the series 3-2. All three loses were due to coinflip openings. | ||
Poopi
France12467 Posts
On January 31 2018 19:42 Yiome wrote: Show nested quote + On January 31 2018 19:38 DieuCure wrote: On January 31 2018 19:38 Heartland wrote: On January 31 2018 19:37 Fango wrote: Maru's standard/lategame TvT is one of the best in Korea, but he avoids it at all costs for some reason. Always goes for proxies or coinflips. He also got murdered by Keen when he tried "murdered" he isnt a Cyclose abuser reaper = good and Cyclone = abuser ? This is like saying ling-baneling all in in ZvZ is genius and roach war is bad. I failed to see the rationale here. Bulky units like cyclone does require good micro to use properly. Similar to setting up good concave in a roach war. Cyclone requires good micro? What? :s Compared to reaper it's nothing really | ||
XDEKSDEEXD
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Fango
United Kingdom8807 Posts
On January 31 2018 19:53 Secured wrote: Wait.....Keen won first 2 vs maru because mech is stronger than bio in tvt. what happened in the second set? i didnt see it, did maru go bio again and kill keen before he even had the chance to make mech strong?was maru's multitasking too hard for keen to handle? Maru went proxy reaper both games, keen didn't scout. | ||
DieuCure
France3713 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12116 Posts
On January 31 2018 19:44 Pandemona wrote: Show nested quote + On January 31 2018 19:42 deacon.frost wrote: On January 31 2018 19:40 Pandemona wrote: Maru lost early game but he was the one going greedy, he was getting his 3rd CC out by the time Keen would push with 3 Cylone and a tank or two and Maru would have literally nothing. But that's the issue here You can't talk about murdering in the lategame when he lost the game in the early game I also don't think Maru is good late game TvT anyway. In LOTV he basically is imo MKP mark II where he just goofs randomly trying assert pressure on the map which is just way to risky in Marine Tank comps. One bad siege / un siege and you can lose the game which is how i reminded myself of the Maru vs GuMiho series last year in Quarter Finals. Well, I'm not saying he's good, just that there wasn't any real end game To me it looks that Maru is lost in the early game, but I saw him play 4 games only | ||
Mun_Su
France2063 Posts
On January 31 2018 19:33 HolydaKing wrote: Show nested quote + On January 31 2018 19:32 Mun_Su wrote: Maru's play is really awfull to watch, hope he get a hard group next stage How come he's in your sig, lol. I agree though. haha true, but I was talking about these two games. He is in my sig because of good memories (mainly because of some of his TvP and his TvZ against Life in IEM Tappei) | ||
Fango
United Kingdom8807 Posts
On January 31 2018 19:44 Pandemona wrote: Show nested quote + On January 31 2018 19:42 deacon.frost wrote: On January 31 2018 19:40 Pandemona wrote: Maru lost early game but he was the one going greedy, he was getting his 3rd CC out by the time Keen would push with 3 Cylone and a tank or two and Maru would have literally nothing. But that's the issue here You can't talk about murdering in the lategame when he lost the game in the early game I also don't think Maru is good late game TvT anyway. In LOTV he basically is imo MKP mark II where he just goofs randomly trying assert pressure on the map which is just way to risky in Marine Tank comps. One bad siege / un siege and you can lose the game which is how i reminded myself of the Maru vs GuMiho series last year in Quarter Finals. That's just not true. Maru's lategame TvT is usually defensive, he basically copied TYs style of holding expansions while sending 1-2 medivacs at a time to harass. What you're describing is closer to ByuN or aLive. | ||
RoflStomped
Iceland21 Posts
Those last 2 Maru games had me in hysterics. Poor Keen. | ||
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