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I loved Thanos and the whole movie too. Spidey scene almost had me crying. But I got confused a couple times, I have a few questions regarding Gamora, Thanos and his "killing" scene:
Was there an infinity stone in Gamora's dagger that Thanos gave her as a kid? If so, what stone was it and why did she use it to stab him? I assumed Thanos used the reality (red?) stone to rework reality when Gamora stabbed him. That stone seems super OP as he basically undid his imminent death and also slices the Guardians of the Galaxy into steaks. I wonder why he didn't just do that against the Avengers+DocStrange later on? Did the asgardians really give the Collector a stone? It looked like Thanos was trying to get one from him but then Thanos just had it already? Was that an act?
Any help on these is very welcome, thanks!
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I don't think Gamora's knife had an Infinity Stone.
As far as I can tell, the Reality Stone stuff was mostly just... Illusions? But yeah, not sure why he didn't use it more.
They gave the Collector a Stone at the end of Thor 2. The reasoning was it wasn't wise to keep two Stones close together, and the Tessaract was already on Asgard.
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That moment when Thor shows up and slams down with stormbreaker was so god damn cool. What they have done to thor in the past 6 months is nothing short of incredible
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On May 04 2018 04:07 Cricketer12 wrote: That moment when Thor shows up and slams down with stormbreaker was so god damn cool. What they have done to thor in the past 6 months is nothing short of incredible
100% agree. I got nerdchills at that Thor moment.
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On May 03 2018 08:13 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2018 05:44 Jockmcplop wrote: Just got home from the cinema. This was easily the best marvel film so far in my opinion. The character pairings worked well. Dr Strange and Iron Man worked soooo much better than I thought it would, but its all about Thor and the Rabbit. That shit was real. That euphoric sequence where Thor gets his weapon was Marvel at its very best. The pacing was good.
Did anyone else almost take Thanos' side? If only his plan was to have half the population of the universe never have existed in the first place it would be a no drawback situation and the Avengers would have been the bad guys.
I think the alternative that would be easiest to sympathize with would be if Thanos just simply made the planets larger with twice as much food, so that no one would need to be killed or erased. It's a much more pleasant reality, and he clearly could have just made sure everyone was comfortable and solved overpopulation. But his backstory and his sincere love for Gomora really made me feel conflicted for his character, which I appreciated. He didn't just come off as a random villain. I agree with you, although I think that the destruction of the Titans kinda traumatized Thanos or at least had him obsessed with making sure that everyone else would avoid the fate of his people. My reasons for thinking so is bcos he advised them to cut down the population to 50%, they didn't and they ended up killing themselves and he said that he once abandoned his fate or calling or something like that and that he wouldn't do it again.
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On May 04 2018 04:37 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2018 04:07 Cricketer12 wrote: That moment when Thor shows up and slams down with stormbreaker was so god damn cool. What they have done to thor in the past 6 months is nothing short of incredible 100% agree. I got nerdchills at that Thor moment. I loved it as well. In general, I just love how the Russos displays the characters' powers to make them look badass.
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Just watched Infinity War. Having a bit of a hard time explaining what I thought of it. Lots of unresolved plot points. Felt like it really jumped the shark in terms of “power creep” both in terms of Thanos’ strength and how the others adapted. Lot of interesting stuff but I am not fully convinced that it “worked.” Very crammed, and yet ends in a cliffhanger.
I’ll have to read some reviews. I didn’t hate it - it was interesting in its own ways and even the disappointments weren’t SW Ep 8 caliber by a long shot - but there was definitely something about it that miffed me. Sounds like the review sites say the critic consensus is split while viewers mostly like it.
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On May 03 2018 21:26 Salteador Neo wrote: I loved Thanos and the whole movie too. Spidey scene almost had me crying. But I got confused a couple times, I have a few questions regarding Gamora, Thanos and his "killing" scene:
Was there an infinity stone in Gamora's dagger that Thanos gave her as a kid? If so, what stone was it and why did she use it to stab him? I assumed Thanos used the reality (red?) stone to rework reality when Gamora stabbed him. That stone seems super OP as he basically undid his imminent death and also slices the Guardians of the Galaxy into steaks. I wonder why he didn't just do that against the Avengers+DocStrange later on? Did the asgardians really give the Collector a stone? It looked like Thanos was trying to get one from him but then Thanos just had it already? Was that an act?
Any help on these is very welcome, thanks!
Firstly, I loved the movie. Big MCU fan in general, and this was definitely a top 3 movie for me.
As far as the reality stone, I think that was showing gamora an illusion in the first place - not reworking reality after the stab. The collector had a stone before. I think Thanos, while not omnipresent, has significant awareness. Why he didn't use that whole turn people into steaks thing later though, no idea. But well he was up against significantly stronger opposition, dr.strange is on a different level from the guardians squad.
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On May 04 2018 23:49 Liquid`Drone wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2018 21:26 Salteador Neo wrote: I loved Thanos and the whole movie too. Spidey scene almost had me crying. But I got confused a couple times, I have a few questions regarding Gamora, Thanos and his "killing" scene:
Was there an infinity stone in Gamora's dagger that Thanos gave her as a kid? If so, what stone was it and why did she use it to stab him? I assumed Thanos used the reality (red?) stone to rework reality when Gamora stabbed him. That stone seems super OP as he basically undid his imminent death and also slices the Guardians of the Galaxy into steaks. I wonder why he didn't just do that against the Avengers+DocStrange later on? Did the asgardians really give the Collector a stone? It looked like Thanos was trying to get one from him but then Thanos just had it already? Was that an act?
Any help on these is very welcome, thanks!
Firstly, I loved the movie. Big MCU fan in general, and this was definitely a top 3 movie for me. As far as the reality stone, I think that was showing gamora an illusion in the first place - not reworking reality after the stab. The collector had a stone before. I think Thanos, while not omnipresent, has significant awareness. Why he didn't use that whole turn people into steaks thing later though, no idea. But well he was up against significantly stronger opposition, dr.strange is on a different level from the guardians squad.
Yep I talked to some friends and they also thought that whole scene was an illusion, I missed it live but it makes sense.
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Well while this movie is one of the best super hero movies and definitely great, it doesn't hold up if you stop to analize it really. Like the infinity stones should be so powerful it would be literally impossible to defeat him. He controls reality. He controls time. He can control his enemies. He can't lose. He wins in the end but he is not very creative with what he does. I've seen some people explaining it like he was toying with everyone, I did see some of that I guess.
But yeah they changed his motivation and it doesn't make sense now. In the comics he wants to kill people to seduce death. While being in love with death is kinda stupid, that's his whole identity (Thanos-thanatos-thanatology, etc). Killing half the universe would make death happy. Like people here are saying, with the guantlett he could make planets bigger, or have infinite resources. I agree with him overpopulation is a problem, I feel his pain having to kill gamora "for the greater good" but his solution is stupid. He could do anything. He has all the infinity stones. He is a god, he is omnipotent. But we ended up with this problem thanks to marvel changing his motivations, and not his method.
Don't get me wrong though. Loved the movie. One just isn't suppoused to think too much about it.
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On May 05 2018 17:21 [Phantom] wrote: Well while this movie is one of the best super hero movies and definitely great, it doesn't hold up if you stop to analize it really. Like the infinity stones should be so powerful it would be literally impossible to defeat him. He controls reality. He controls time. He can control his enemies. He can't lose. He wins in the end but he is not very creative with what he does. I've seen some people explaining it like he was toying with everyone, I did see some of that I guess.
But yeah they changed his motivation and it doesn't make sense now. In the comics he wants to kill people to seduce death. While being in love with death is kinda stupid, that's his whole identity (Thanos-thanatos-thanatology, etc). Killing half the universe would make death happy. Like people here are saying, with the guantlett he could make planets bigger, or have infinite resources. I agree with him overpopulation is a problem, I feel his pain having to kill gamora "for the greater good" but his solution is stupid. He could do anything. He has all the infinity stones. He is a god, he is omnipotent. But we ended up with this problem thanks to marvel changing his motivations, and not his method.
Don't get me wrong though. Loved the movie. One just isn't suppoused to think too much about it.
It is, after all, a comic book movie. Most don't stand up to thinking too much about them. Was a fantastic movie though. Haven't felt this overwhelmed by cinematic splendor since avatar.
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On May 05 2018 17:41 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2018 17:21 [Phantom] wrote: Well while this movie is one of the best super hero movies and definitely great, it doesn't hold up if you stop to analize it really. Like the infinity stones should be so powerful it would be literally impossible to defeat him. He controls reality. He controls time. He can control his enemies. He can't lose. He wins in the end but he is not very creative with what he does. I've seen some people explaining it like he was toying with everyone, I did see some of that I guess.
But yeah they changed his motivation and it doesn't make sense now. In the comics he wants to kill people to seduce death. While being in love with death is kinda stupid, that's his whole identity (Thanos-thanatos-thanatology, etc). Killing half the universe would make death happy. Like people here are saying, with the guantlett he could make planets bigger, or have infinite resources. I agree with him overpopulation is a problem, I feel his pain having to kill gamora "for the greater good" but his solution is stupid. He could do anything. He has all the infinity stones. He is a god, he is omnipotent. But we ended up with this problem thanks to marvel changing his motivations, and not his method.
Don't get me wrong though. Loved the movie. One just isn't suppoused to think too much about it.
It is, after all, a comic book movie. Most don't stand up to thinking too much about them. Was a fantastic movie though. Haven't felt this overwhelmed by cinematic splendor since avatar. To some extent I agree... but I also feel like at least the first Avengers did it better. Even non-serious fiction should at least be reasonable within some internal logic, and this one sort of doesn’t manage to do that. And while that’s fairly standard for MCU movies, it didn’t make for good storytelling in this specific instance. When the movie makes you think, “well that made the past 15 minutes of plot completely pointless” very frequently, that ain’t great.
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On May 05 2018 17:21 [Phantom] wrote: Well while this movie is one of the best super hero movies and definitely great, it doesn't hold up if you stop to analize it really. Like the infinity stones should be so powerful it would be literally impossible to defeat him. He controls reality. He controls time. He can control his enemies. He can't lose. He wins in the end but he is not very creative with what he does. I've seen some people explaining it like he was toying with everyone, I did see some of that I guess.
But yeah they changed his motivation and it doesn't make sense now. In the comics he wants to kill people to seduce death. While being in love with death is kinda stupid, that's his whole identity (Thanos-thanatos-thanatology, etc). Killing half the universe would make death happy. Like people here are saying, with the guantlett he could make planets bigger, or have infinite resources. I agree with him overpopulation is a problem, I feel his pain having to kill gamora "for the greater good" but his solution is stupid. He could do anything. He has all the infinity stones. He is a god, he is omnipotent. But we ended up with this problem thanks to marvel changing his motivations, and not his method.
Don't get me wrong though. Loved the movie. One just isn't suppoused to think too much about it.
If I'm not mistaken, he's supposed to clench his fist each time he uses his stones and Tony ordered them to prevent him from doing that, however, later on when he used stones to bring the moon down, he could've just done to them what he did to Drax earlier on and finish them that way.
I think that the destruction of the Titans kinda traumatized Thanos or at least had him obsessed with making sure that everyone else would avoid the fate of his people. My reasons for thinking so is bcos he advised them to cut down the population to 50%, they didn't and they ended up killing themselves and he said that he once abandoned his fate or calling or something like that and that he wouldn't do it again.
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Doubling a planet's size would have a whole bunch of other problems along with it, wouldn't it? Like in terms of gravity and its biosphere. But in the end, I think he didn't take that option because I don't think having all the stones makes him actually omnipotent. The Gauntlet probably still has some limitations and things it can and can't do. At the least, this is the only way for me to head-canon it to make things fit.
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On May 05 2018 17:21 [Phantom] wrote: Well while this movie is one of the best super hero movies and definitely great, it doesn't hold up if you stop to analize it really. Like the infinity stones should be so powerful it would be literally impossible to defeat him. He controls reality. He controls time. He can control his enemies. He can't lose. He wins in the end but he is not very creative with what he does. I've seen some people explaining it like he was toying with everyone, I did see some of that I guess.
But yeah they changed his motivation and it doesn't make sense now. In the comics he wants to kill people to seduce death. While being in love with death is kinda stupid, that's his whole identity (Thanos-thanatos-thanatology, etc). Killing half the universe would make death happy. Like people here are saying, with the guantlett he could make planets bigger, or have infinite resources. I agree with him overpopulation is a problem, I feel his pain having to kill gamora "for the greater good" but his solution is stupid. He could do anything. He has all the infinity stones. He is a god, he is omnipotent. But we ended up with this problem thanks to marvel changing his motivations, and not his method.
Don't get me wrong though. Loved the movie. One just isn't suppoused to think too much about it.
Meh, my analises of the movie is that like many of these sorts of movies, there's always so much hype surrounding them when they first come out every loves them.
Batman The Dark Knight? BEST MOVIE EVER. X-Men First Class? BEST MOVIE EVER. Deadpool? BEST MOVIE EVER. Logan? BEST MOVIE EVER. Thor: Ragnarok? BEST MOVIE EVER.
Likewise for these average Avenger movies. I found that Infinity War had way too little character development for you to want to feel for any of them. Gamorra dying? Meh. That Chris guy getting mad about her dying? Meh. Vision and Wanda's love for each other? Meh. Spiderman having a few scenes then dying at the end? Meh. Not enough development, so that when they died, you didn't really feel much. I guess you could argue if you saw the previous movies, you'd feel more, but I've seen all the Marvel movies and it still felt disconnected. Plus, the bad guys were all not very threatening nor made you feel like there was any big threat from them in the movie, they looked like they came out of a Ninja Turtles movie. Everyone praises Thanos' acting, but he felt very cartoony to me, and the whole "I just want people to understand me" thing just didn't work because he wasn't really that dark of a character to make it work.
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On May 05 2018 23:16 Sentenal wrote: Doubling a planet's size would have a whole bunch of other problems along with it, wouldn't it? Like in terms of gravity and its biosphere. But in the end, I think he didn't take that option because I don't think having all the stones makes him actually omnipotent. The Gauntlet probably still has some limitations and things it can and can't do. At the least, this is the only way for me to head-canon it to make things fit. It makes sense though, considering how damaged it looked after Thanos snapped with the glove finger. Prior to that, he's only been able to use one stone at a time and by clenching his fist, unless I'm mistaken.
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I guess he is "the mad titan" after all...I agree a lot of movies get positive reviews just for the hype For example me and me gf saw logan after all the hype had died down and...we honestly thought it was a terrible, terrible movie. The girl screeaming in every scene she was in was terrible too.
About the MCU, I think in the end people will consider Avengers 1 to be better. But I do give them credit for having a movie with a "bad ending" actually work. They were very smart in the way they made thanos the protagonist in a movie with 17 avengers.
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I don't think it (the bad ending) worked. This is a Marvel movie, we all know ahead of time that in the grand scheme of things none of this will matter and the key franchise characters will come back. I do give props to the movie for a brief moment of self-awareness about that fact though: Thor talks to the rabbit about how Loki died, but makes mention of "well he was dead once before but..." as if to tease what we're pretty damn sure is going to happen before too long. And Disney isn't the type of corporate master to call our bluff and actually kill off key characters for good, so I'm not worried about that part.
I think this movie got good reviews because the people watching it liked it. I think the critics gave it middling reviews because they saw notable flaws. This one is straightforward. It was a classic MCU watch-and-forget movie - but I guess for Avengers I expected something more.
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Having just seen Black Panther, I think I'll remember that more than Infinity War, although both were enjoyable. Black Panther actually seemed to at least attempt to have something meaningful going on under the surface.
I don't know why anyone would expect anything more than Infinity War gave us for a crossover movie, although it did its job pretty much perfectly.
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