Thor 1 and 2 fall into the "should have been good but were merely ok because of some questionable plot inconsistencies" basket. All the Captain America movies were good, especially Winter Soldier. Guardians 1 & 2 were fun.
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13774 Posts
Thor 1 and 2 fall into the "should have been good but were merely ok because of some questionable plot inconsistencies" basket. All the Captain America movies were good, especially Winter Soldier. Guardians 1 & 2 were fun. | ||
Velr
Switzerland10417 Posts
Age of Ultron was *ok*. I really liked the new Spiderman, Logan and X-Man days of future past. | ||
Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Approximately Three weeks of Ultron is a weird film for me. I like it, but also I'm also fully aware that nothing really happens in that movie. The movie is Tony bug testing for using alien tech to build AIs. And then version 1.0 kills the Version .89. But it brings us Scarlet Witch, so it was a net gain. | ||
Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
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Plansix
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Velr
Switzerland10417 Posts
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On May 16 2018 02:36 Plansix wrote: I would prefer more super hero movies got away from the bombastic last battle and saving entire nations/the world. There is merit to stories where the stakes smaller. Spiderman Homecoming is a great example of this. The big different IMO was that Spiderman Homecoming was still a story about being a hero, about rising up and doing the right thing. Iron Man 3 was about Tony Stark suffering from being a hero and ultimately getting out of the business (which lasted a total of 0 movies since Avengers 2 followed not long after). Now obviously, Iron Man was still Iron Man and still had him doing Super Hero things, but it definitely wasn't the focus, like most other successful Super Hero movies. It also didn't help they cheapened Iron Man's gimmick with how easily destroyed all his suits were. | ||
LegalLord
United Kingdom13774 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain17190 Posts
On May 16 2018 04:34 LegalLord wrote: Marvel movies have a tendency towards "fuck the plot of the previous one, we'll do what's convenient for this one." Remember how SHIELD was supposed to kick the bucket because it was co-opted for evil? That also didn't last. Well SHIELD kinda did kick the bucket. Also in the series. | ||
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United Kingdom13774 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41112 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + I'm going to be pissed when they introduce Capt. Marvel and she simply kills Thanos aka a Mary Sue, due to her unique power. if that happens they might as well flush 15 years of movies and sub plots down the toilet. | ||
iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On May 16 2018 22:48 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: I'll be honest: + Show Spoiler + I'm going to be pissed when they introduce Capt. Marvel and she simply kills Thanos aka a Mary Sue, due to her unique power. if that happens they might as well flush 15 years of movies and sub plots down the toilet. I love the contortions people are going to in order to be angry about the existence of Captain Marvel in the MCU. Age of Ultron is an example of Old Comic Book Movie Syndrome; i.e. the old style of making movies where you 'adapt' a comic book in such a manner that you lose all the elements that made it work in the first place. Ultron as Tony's dark side is too narrow a focus, too simple. The comic book version, who exists as his own thing and is driven primarily by hatred for the thing he wants more than anything else, is far more interesting (if you don't know, comic book Ultron despises the Avengers so much because he kind of wishes he could be one of them and have a family, and variously seems to wish it could kill/replace its father and/or start its own family). There was no need to change Ultron at all, and it would have been better if they hadn't, save switched his origin from Pym to Stark. | ||
{CC}StealthBlue
United States41112 Posts
On May 17 2018 00:41 iamthedave wrote: I love the contortions people are going to in order to be angry about the existence of Captain Marvel in the MCU. Age of Ultron is an example of Old Comic Book Movie Syndrome; i.e. the old style of making movies where you 'adapt' a comic book in such a manner that you lose all the elements that made it work in the first place. Ultron as Tony's dark side is too narrow a focus, too simple. The comic book version, who exists as his own thing and is driven primarily by hatred for the thing he wants more than anything else, is far more interesting (if you don't know, comic book Ultron despises the Avengers so much because he kind of wishes he could be one of them and have a family, and variously seems to wish it could kill/replace its father and/or start its own family). There was no need to change Ultron at all, and it would have been better if they hadn't, save switched his origin from Pym to Stark. Nobody is angry that Cpt. Marvel is going to be introduced unless you believe that she should have been introduced during the Cpt. America arc. She has a unique power that defends her from Thanos, especially Thanos. I'm just praying they don't use that as a get out of jail free card. | ||
Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Also, Thanos has a little Mary Sue all his own. There is literally no reason for him to be as powerful as he is beyond being a villain of equal power to fight the Avengers. At least Ultron was skynet and had the believable justification that he read the whole internet and decided humanity needed a hard kick in the pants. | ||
{CC}StealthBlue
United States41112 Posts
On May 17 2018 02:01 Plansix wrote: Anyone who beats Thanos is going to be a Mary Sue. One does not fight a villain with wield six plot devices without the plot gods support. Capt. Marvel is going to end up taking a hit for the Marvel universe. It will be way better than the ending of the infinity war in the comic. Also, Thanos has a little Mary Sue all his own. There is literally no reason for him to be as powerful as he is beyond being a villain of equal power to fight the Avengers. At least Ultron was skynet and had the believable justification that he read the whole internet and decided humanity needed a hard kick in the pants. He already had one of the infinity stones at the start of the film. Making him already pretty powerful. | ||
Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On May 17 2018 02:12 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: He already had one of the infinity stones at the start of the film. Making him already pretty powerful. The infinity stones are just glorified macguffins for heroes and villains to fight over. Their justification for existing is that they are old, from the start of time and are themed for reasons. Thanos is powers because he obtained a macguffin off camera, which means he has powers beyond normal villains, the ability to do things outside of the confines of the script. Edit: Don't get me wrong, I like these movies. Just throwing around the term Mary Sue in an Avengers movie sort of misses the point. Cross over comics were about team ups and great scenes with heroes that should never hang out and never hung their hat on a well thought out plot. Its all about the group shots. | ||
WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
If the movies were comic "faithful", then Hulk would get pissed enough to curbstomp everyone, Stark would have an armour for everything, Strange would be untouchable and Scarlet Witch would remake the universe. | ||
Plansix
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28267 Posts
On May 16 2018 00:03 Acrofales wrote: spiderman: homecoming is fun (imho better than ragnarok) dr strange is visually stunning (but the story is rather bland) black panther is decent (moreso if you see this as a cultural revolution. as a movie it's decent, but not outstanding) x-men: days of futures past was great. but only if you watched all the other x-men up to then. Imho it was more interesting than Logan and first class (but first class is a prerequisite to understand days of futures past). I would also skip ant-man. I mostly agree with this except I was a bigger fan of dr.strange. I guess the story in general is rather bland, but I thought the ending was perhaps the smartest resolution out of any MCU movie. I loved both days of future past and logan, first class a bit less (but should indeed be watched before days of future past. Actually you could also watch xmen 1+2 from the original series). | ||
andrewlt
United States7648 Posts
On May 17 2018 03:09 Plansix wrote: The best thing the MCU did was nerf all the heroes. Ironman is far more compelling as a powerful character that Captain American might be able to beat if he could get him on the ground long enough. And if they can make Dr. Strange work in the movies, they can have Captain Marvel do her own thing. Her flight powers might be the hardest part, since floating heroes are generally bad action scenes(looking at you Vision). Well, Iron Man, War Machine and Thor can fly too. It's not that big a deal if you don't make them do it too often. Captain Marvel, I assume, is going to take Thor's role in the team since I think the original cast members (Evans, Downey, Hemsworth) aren't returning after Infinity War 2. Making Scarlet Witch essentially Marvel Girl-lite worked out too. | ||
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