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TheNewEra
Germany3128 Posts
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On July 16 2018 00:46 Pandemona wrote: No one talking about a rule set in stone, but when your hands aren't in a natural psotion from a jump and your arm moves that is problematic. Thus the ref gets a decision to make. What is a natural position from a jump? If you jumped while stretching your leg would your hand be behind your ass? The hand is outstretched which is dangerous for cleary demonstrated reasons but its not unnatural | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51330 Posts
Meanwhile Perisic is having a whale of a time whatever side he attacks of France. Rakitic and Modric finding them all at will too. | ||
Deleted User 26513
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[Phantom]
Mexico2169 Posts
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Rookie6
Brazil583 Posts
Edit: actually it was Pogba's arms that were ahead of Mandzukic, so its not an offside. | ||
Dante08
Singapore4101 Posts
On July 16 2018 00:51 Pr0wler wrote: Well FIFA brought this to themselves. They made the rules so vague and unclear and up for interpretation. The rules should be simple and concrete, not full of subjective variables. How else would you write up a handball rule? | ||
sneirac
Germany3463 Posts
On July 16 2018 00:50 Rebs wrote: What is a natural position from a jump? If you jumped while stretching your leg would your hand be behind your ass? The hand is outstretched which is dangerous for cleary demonstrated reasons but its not unnatural According to the rule the only thing that matters is intent. That means that someone can stand on the goal line with his arms out the entire game and as long as he doesn't actively make a move toward the ball he would be fine. That is why the unnatural position/movement thing is often brought up, consider it intent by proxy/negligence | ||
Grettin
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Deleted User 26513
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On July 16 2018 00:54 sneirac wrote: According to the rule the only thing that matters is intent. That means that someone can stand on the goal line with his arms out the entire game and as long as he doesn't actively make a move toward the ball he would be fine. That is why the unnatural position/movement thing is often brought up, consider it intent by proxy/negligence So according to you, sitting on the goal line with your hands up, doesn't show intent to block a shot ? Interesting. This whole rule is dumb. | ||
BigFan
TLADT24917 Posts
On July 16 2018 00:51 Rookie6 wrote: Well, it also looks like Pogba was offside in the own goal, and he was the guy who was right next to Mandzukic trying to get a header, so he was participating in the play. The referee commentanting the match here said it should have been called offside by VAR. Interesting, I thought offside too from the replay. | ||
Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
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Erasme
Bahamas15893 Posts
the griezmann foul was legit as well But yes, france needs to wake up in the next half | ||
Rookie6
Brazil583 Posts
On July 16 2018 00:55 BigFan wrote: Interesting, I thought offside too from the replay. Actually they replayed it, and it were only Pogba's arms that were ahead of Mandzukic. So not really offside, actually. | ||
Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On July 16 2018 00:54 sneirac wrote: According to the rule the only thing that matters is intent. That means that someone can stand on the goal line with his arms out the entire game and as long as he doesn't actively make a move toward the ball he would be fine. That is why the unnatural position/movement thing is often brought up, consider it intent by proxy/negligence Your example is impeding a clear goal scoring threat. This was not that case. I am fine with intent by proxy negligence where its denying the other team an advantage. That was not the case here. The ball was going nowhere near a french player after Matuidi (?) missed it. Again its a subjective decision anyone with a brain knows that shouldnt be called and VAR intervening on what would be a completely marginal decision is a poor use of the system. Sorry but you are doing a terrible job justifying this one with that parallel. | ||
iXphobos
Germany1464 Posts
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sneirac
Germany3463 Posts
On July 16 2018 00:55 Pr0wler wrote: So according to you, sitting on the goal line with your hands up, doesn't show intent to block a shot ? Interesting. This whole rule is dumb. So according to you moving your arm in the path of the cross and blocking it out to the corner isn't intent? Congrats, you have found the problem with the rule, interpretation is hard in certain situations. Also notice how you have yet to explain how you want to clear it up. | ||
Acrofales
Spain17187 Posts
On July 16 2018 00:54 sneirac wrote: According to the rule the only thing that matters is intent. That means that someone can stand on the goal line with his arms out the entire game and as long as he doesn't actively make a move toward the ball he would be fine. That is why the unnatural position/movement thing is often brought up, consider it intent by proxy/negligence No, because being on the goal line with your hands out you are intending for them to block the ball. That was clearly not the case here, because he couldn't even see the ball coming and his hands were out to keep balance when landing from a jump. | ||
The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On July 16 2018 00:57 Erasme wrote: griezmann foul was legit as well No it was clearly not | ||
Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
Dudes feet were bottoms up before the contact. Dont expect a French person to see that though. I wouldnt if I was. | ||
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