e: ok apparently he's safe and kinda well.
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HolydaKing
21226 Posts
e: ok apparently he's safe and kinda well. | ||
Warfie
Norway2845 Posts
On July 24 2018 22:33 HolydaKing wrote: holy fucking shit, gilbert... i hope he's alive. how deep did he fall. e: ok apparently he's safe and kinda well. wow he gives thumbs up and gets back on the bike | ||
HolydaKing
21226 Posts
On July 24 2018 22:35 Warfie wrote: wow he gives thumbs up and gets back on the bike what a guy, now i want him to win. sadly that's probably impossible ^^ | ||
L_Master
United States7946 Posts
If Thomas can hold his gap to Froome he should win. If Froome or Dumoulin can take back 30s it's interesting. If G falter more than that he probably loses. | ||
Elmonti
Spain299 Posts
So, I think it all depends on whether Tom cracks or not... if he does, Froome wins the Tour, if he keeps himself within 1 min from Froome, Thomas should take it. So Sky's tractic should be Froome attacking and Thomas following Dumo's wheel. It will be also interesting seeing Roglic, will he defend his 4th place in his first Tour as GC contender, or will he risk it to go for the podium. In the ITT: Dumo > Thomas/Roglic > Froome We will also see if Movistar goes ALL IN in the Tourmalet stage to go for the podium, or if they try not to burn their domestiques to take their main goal: 1st Team classification..... what a sad Tour by Movistar... | ||
Elmonti
Spain299 Posts
On July 24 2018 19:03 KobraKay wrote: So in your view Roglic and Dumoulin (let's use these 2 as an example) are completly normal brave guys yet the others with similar or worse track records (sky team) are all doped? This is why I called double standards. I don't believe Dumoulin and Roglic are doped but I don't see you accusing them or raising suspicions on them….yet Thomas was a proven rider on the track and took several years on the road to transition to what he was doing last year and this year. (And in my eyes, the organization giving roughly 10 flat stages to start the Tour is helping Thomas more than anyone, he can now ride 2 weeks and avoid his usual downfall in the third week as effectively the first one was almost a bónus.) Roglic was good in his own sport and now this out of the blue. So why is one to blame and the other isnt? Dumoulin is young and because of that his transition was legit? So was Froome when he started. Brailsford said the first time he saw Froome, he saw a guy with a ton of power in his legs but without technique or even proper equipment….maybe that is a lie, or maybe that helps explaining his poor results before joining sky. This is the problem I see with most discussions like this. I'm not going to try to convince you or anything. For one because i'm not sure sky are not doping and also because I dont particularly like them to be defending them. I just hate it when I see the double standard posts. And please note I really like Roglic…..so this is not a biased position in favour of sky, its just some food for thought. Yep, the cases of Dumoulin and Roglic are shady af.... and i do like a lot both riders. Dumoulin is one of my favorites (in general in Spain we do love him.... he reminds us of Indurain), but a 1,90m 70kg time trialist being like the 3rd best climber in this Tour??? In two years he went from a TT specialist to climbing almost as fast as Quintana...no thanks. And Roglic, the ski jumper who got into cycling at like 23 yo, being a Tour GC contender, also very shady. Having said this, it doesn't even compare to Froome's transformation. These two guys showed two years of consistent good results (stages in the BEST races, look at their 2015, 2016 and 2017 results) before being GC contenders.... Froome took 1 f***ng month to do that... without having done shit before. Also you talk about Brailsford's impressions on Froome... these are his real impressions: twitter.com He wanted to sell him to Radioshack team... and of course they didn't want him. So nope... Froome's and Dumoulin's record are not the same. Not even close. But the main difference is Sky's bullshit factory and unprecedented corruption: all that "marginal gains" stuff to justify their utterly superior performances, making a lot of riders become almost retired (Kenaught, Intxausti, etc.) and making riders like Cavendish or Boasson Hagen set the main group's pace in HC climbs, all that Henao blood values shit, their USPostal-kind relationship with Cookson's UCI (his own son working for team Sky), being the most opaque and liar team in modern cycling while being cocky about "new clean cycling"·, Froome's fair and square positive, all the asthma stuff coming out from nowhere, riders like Dylan Van Baarle who do not suffer from Asthma taking Ventolin shots (twitter.com), Froome winning 3 Tours and 1 Vuelta with 1 kidney, all those journalists/dogs buying and spreding all their bullshit when they learnt Cycling was a sport in 2011, etc. Really, I could write pages and pages about all there is wrong exclusively with them. I do think is way worse than the US Postal....it's more...dirty. Thats why I feel sad when i think his name is going to join the likes of Anquetil, Merckx, Hinault and Indurain. I feel like Sky and all its machinery are taking a dump on cycling itself. You cannot have double standards when you talk about two COMPLETELY different situations. | ||
Skynx
Turkey7150 Posts
On July 25 2018 05:56 L_Master wrote: Oh shit. Tomorrow is basically it. Next day is a sprint stage, then the following on the climbs are very easy and not a summit finish so no time gaps. If Thomas can hold his gap to Froome he should win. If Froome or Dumoulin can take back 30s it's interesting. If G falter more than that he probably loses. I think all hell will break loose on Tourmalet. It's one of the longest descents out there, perfect place for Froome to make a statement. | ||
Acrofales
Spain17190 Posts
On July 25 2018 17:08 Skynx wrote: I think all hell will break loose on Tourmalet. It's one of the longest descents out there, perfect place for Froome to make a statement. I don't think Froome is riding away from anybody downhill. He can definitely hold his own on descents, but ride away from people? Nah. He'll save his energy and attack on the Col du Portet when his slaves are used up. I think the short stage with 3 hard mountains is quite a brilliant idea. But I think the start is going to be an utter failure. Froome and Thomas are very obviously going to wait for de Gendt, Kwiatkowski, Bernal and whoever else they expect to slave away for them today. So unless one of the others think they'd rather go it alone and attack from the very first second, the beginning is going to have exactly one purpose: neutralize the "moto gp start" and ensure all teams link up again. The only one crazy enough to actually do something like that is Kruiswijk, but I don't think he's capable of getting away and staying away, and the teams will simply take that risk. Especially as he is quite a few minutes behind and would have to win a lot to threaten the top. | ||
Skynx
Turkey7150 Posts
On July 25 2018 17:54 Acrofales wrote: I don't think Froome is riding away from anybody downhill. He can definitely hold his own on descents, but ride away from people? Nah. He'll save his energy and attack on the Col du Portet when his slaves are used up. I think the short stage with 3 hard mountains is quite a brilliant idea. But I think the start is going to be an utter failure. Froome and Thomas are very obviously going to wait for de Gendt, Kwiatkowski, Bernal and whoever else they expect to slave away for them today. So unless one of the others think they'd rather go it alone and attack from the very first second, the beginning is going to have exactly one purpose: neutralize the "moto gp start" and ensure all teams link up again. The only one crazy enough to actually do something like that is Kruiswijk, but I don't think he's capable of getting away and staying away, and the teams will simply take that risk. Especially as he is quite a few minutes behind and would have to win a lot to threaten the top. He did precisely that in was it 2015 (?), the Quintana thrown bottle on the summit. But what I meant was an attack 5km from the top. If he makes a 30-35 sec gap its game over you can trust that will rise to 1m before end of descent and 1.30-2 before the stage is over. Judging by his giro form he's perfectly capable of riding the remaining elevations by himself. However he can also chose the safe option you mentioned but its less steep and distancing top10 there is much harder. I think G, Dumo and Roglic at least will stick with him for sure but thats fine for Sky so thats probably what's gona happen. | ||
spudde123
4814 Posts
And well, Froome also won the Tour and the Vuelta last year, so he is riding his 4th straight GT and might win them all. | ||
Elmonti
Spain299 Posts
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HolydaKing
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Skynx
Turkey7150 Posts
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JumboJohnson
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Skynx
Turkey7150 Posts
On July 25 2018 23:49 JumboJohnson wrote: What happened? They had a F1 style starting lineup prepared with top10 lining up in order etc. ofc it didn't matter at all as soon as start was sounded they formed a peleton :D Meanwhile, G has his orders not to chase obviously | ||
spudde123
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HolydaKing
21226 Posts
Good stage for Quintana too. At least he got a win, it must feel bad tho that he didn't feel like a threat to the top 3. | ||
palexhur
Colombia730 Posts
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Elmonti
Spain299 Posts
Shout out to Bernal. If Sky created these monsters from mediocre climbers like Froome or Thomas, i can't even imagine what they can make a super talented like Egan Bernal. This kid has some serious future. Nice climb from Quintana, this has to be his real level... maybe he needs a change in his career and leave Movistar, i dont know. | ||
HolydaKing
21226 Posts
On July 26 2018 00:47 palexhur wrote: Froome always shows "miraculous" recovery after his bad stage, lets wait until friday before any conclusion. I guess, friday is the last stage where miracles are possible. | ||
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