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I think what happens is that teams don't gameplan for Satoransky, but they do gameplan for Wall. I wouldn't give too much credence to any numbers a backup guy gets when he's promoted to a starting role in a limited number of games. It's at least nice that they can contribute with such an extended role though, and it can shed some light on some flaws in how the team operates with the missing superstar on the floor, sure.
I also read things like "who needs Kyrie when you have Rozier?".
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On September 17 2018 22:52 ZenithM wrote: I think what happens is that teams don't gameplan for Satoransky, but they do gameplan for Wall. I wouldn't give too much credence to any numbers a backup guy gets when he's promoted to a starting role in a limited number of games. It's at least nice that they can contribute with such an extended role though, and it can shed some light on some flaws in how the team operates with the missing superstar on the floor, sure. Agreed, the fun in advanced stats is that people want to find diamonds in the rough and be ahead of the curve so they can say "I told you he was great". But basketball is such a fluid sport it the hardest to pin down. And you end up with people trying make conclusions with not enough information. Once in a while it works out but more often than not they were just in a good situation or unscouted as you mention. This can also underrate some great players because of how the stats are calculated. It almost hurts you to play tons of minutes, but tons of minutes means your coach trusts you.
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On September 17 2018 22:52 ZenithM wrote: I think what happens is that teams don't gameplan for Satoransky, but they do gameplan for Wall. I wouldn't give too much credence to any numbers a backup guy gets when he's promoted to a starting role in a limited number of games. It's at least nice that they can contribute with such an extended role though, and it can shed some light on some flaws in how the team operates with the missing superstar on the floor, sure.
I also read things like "who needs Kyrie when you have Rozier?". rule #1 with these stats... as i've said several times ... also applies to baseball. you don't compare starters with relief pitchers just like you don't compare 38 minute-a-game guys with 18 minute-a-game guys. How many relievers had a lower ERA than Nolan Ryan, Roy Halladay or Clayton Kershaw? Dozens of relievers had a lower ERA. Does that make them better than these 3 guys? nah. Same thing applies in basketball.
Getting back to what started all this and Westbrook being hurt. Advanced stats indicate Westbrook is a superstar level offensive player and an above average defender. OKC will be a worse team without him. Schroder just ain't good enough. You'd probably only need to watch 50 minutes of both guys playing to see Westbrook >> Schroder because the difference between these two players is very big.
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Wade is coming back for a farewell tour. I guess that is good news. I've always liked him as a player and he seems to be able to still contribute. I'm not sure that the Heat will be a big factor but in the east who knows. I think it will be BOS, Tor, Phi and everyone else.
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I like Brand, but GM? Why can't they just man up and fucking rehire Hinkie.
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Shams says Butler wants out of Minnesota.
according to Woj Butler has three preferred destinations : Clippers, Nets, and Knicks.
If the Raptors can convince Kawhi to stay the Atlantic Division could become the strongest division in basketball.
i don't think Butler is worth the "SuperMax" contract. i agree with this look at Butler and whether or not he is worth the Supermax deal. http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24191536/zach-lowe-jimmy-butler-blake-griffin-nba-supermax
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It was a bad fit in Min, Butler is a hell of a player but seems to have trouble getting along with younger players. If the return is good, which it should be since he is happy to sign an extension, it should work out good for both parties.
But maybe not for Thibs, his Timberbulls experiment is not looking hot right now, with his 2 best young players unhappy and his one big addition wanting out. If he doesn't get a huge return he will be out, he might be out of one of the coach/GM anyway or maybe both.
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Minny's problem is that they just aren't very good. KAT hasn't taken the leap, and we don't really know if he can. Butler is a poor man's Klay Thompson, who is currently the 3rd best player on the Warriors and really wouldn't be the best player on any other West playoff team, and Wiggins is still Wiggins.
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On September 21 2018 05:09 cLutZ wrote: Minny's problem is that they just aren't very good. KAT hasn't taken the leap, and we don't really know if he can. Butler is a poor man's Klay Thompson, who is currently the 3rd best player on the Warriors and really wouldn't be the best player on any other West playoff team, and Wiggins is still Wiggins. Wow, i think that is all wrong. Other than wiggins being wiggins, this is as true as lebron is lebron and boban is boban.
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all these social media triple entendres going back and forth between various Timberwolves players is gonna be great for team bonding in training camp.
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I don't think Butler is a poor man's Klay. Klay is just a catch and shoot guy. Butler is able to create his own shots at a good but not elite level. Klay plays good defense but doesn't really get steals and rebounds. Butler fills in the stat sheet while playing defense. And I'm pretty sure Klay is only the 4th best Warrior. They're not really interchangeable in their roles.
The rest of the roster is an overrated dumpster fire though. And I don't think Thibs is the proper coach to get them closer to their potential.
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i think eventually we'll find out Thibodeau is an excellent assistant coach and x's and o's guy. However, Thibodeau is lousy when it comes to the soft science of motivating players and creating a team atmosphere. An atmosphere where every player has every other players back.
best guy i've ever seen at that is Cito Gaston. Different sport though. the # of guys who arrived as "problem children"... then after leaving less than 2 years later became "problem children" again.
any how, I think Thibodeau got "peter principled" into a job for which he is not suited.
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Ya, Thibs sounds like one of those top NFL defensive coordinators who get promoted to head coach and make time management look like fucking rocket science.
I also feel like he is a bit overrated since he padded his regular season stats by overplaying his starters.
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On September 21 2018 08:37 andrewlt wrote: I also feel like he is a bit overrated since he padded his regular season stats by overplaying his starters. yep. Now that Butler has had 1 pretty serious knee injury that required surgery you wonder how soon his body will break down again if he is ever given the same workload he was last year.
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I know it's NHL, but that guy who got punched at several times and didn't swing back: That's a real man.
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On September 22 2018 12:37 Jerubaal wrote: I know it's NHL, but that guy who got punched at several times and didn't swing back: That's a real man. the guy that threw the punch... his dad did the same thing at the 2nd NHL game i'd ever seen. it was a fun game. like father like son i guess.
i remember when i turned 30 people asked me if i felt old... not really.. recounting the stories of the fathers of current pro athletes ... that makes me feel old.
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Butler is excused from Monday's Timberwolves' media day. He is also not going to be at early training camp activities.
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Kawhi is saying all the right things at media day. So much for the #12 rumours.. he is wearing #2.
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