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On September 25 2018 02:47 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2018 02:36 Nyxisto wrote: Yes, funnily enough given all the complaining about Islamic immigration their Catholic revanchism fits right in. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad how the National Front continously pivots between pretending to be some secular nationalist party while also conjuring up the Catholic identitarianism at every chance What? Why are you talking about catholic stuff?
Because I think it's quite ridiculous how the Le Pen especially positions herself as an anti-Islamist and secular crusaders, yet also propagates religious identity every chance she gets
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The Austrian interior minister Herbet Kickl (mastermind of the far-right FPÖ of the past years) has adressed the police to change their press policy: - always prominently publish ethnicity with crimes - sexual crimes should be published very proactively by the policy - Certain media should be reduced to minimal information and not cooperated with by the police. Explicitly mentioned are "Der Falter" (left-wing Viennese weekly paper, mainly known for its investigative journalism in questions of corruption), "Der Standard" (the mainstream liberal bourgeoise medium) and "Der Kurier" (a newspaper which is usually considered to be close to the conservative ÖVP-party).
The Article from the leading conservative Austrian newspaper "Die Presse" in German language: https://diepresse.com/home/innenpolitik/5502089/Kickl-will-Informationssperre-fuer-kritische-Medien
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So basically another call to undermine the justice system from the far-right. What else is new?
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On September 25 2018 03:59 solidbebe wrote: So basically another call to undermine the justice system from the far-right. What else is new?
I'm more worried about the outright attack on the free press. I don't like when sensible issues like violent crimes are missused for propaganda, but outright naming papers that should not be cooperated with is beyond frigthening.
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On September 25 2018 03:18 Big J wrote: The Austrian interior minister Herbet Kickl (mastermind of the far-right FPÖ of the past years) has adressed the police to change their press policy: - always prominently publish ethnicity with crimes Sweet racist use of the confirmation bias
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On September 25 2018 05:58 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2018 03:18 Big J wrote: The Austrian interior minister Herbet Kickl (mastermind of the far-right FPÖ of the past years) has adressed the police to change their press policy: - always prominently publish ethnicity with crimes Sweet racist use of the confirmation bias They are going to be really bummed out when the overwhelming majority of the crimes are committed by Austrians.
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I actually don't understand that part. Surely if suspects are released publicly to help identify and capture them, then surely "ethnicity" would be released as a distinguishing feature of a suspect as expected? You know, like suspect for rape in a park, tall athletic man with broad nose, wearing xyz coloured clothing. German ethnicity. Anybody with information or sighting of such a man please forward to the police.
The demand to give information only to politically aligned media is just a plain attempt to kill democracy.
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On September 25 2018 06:11 Dangermousecatdog wrote: I actually don't understand that part. Surely if suspects are released publicly to help identify and capture them, then surely "ethnicity" would be released as a distinguishing feature of a suspect as expected? You know, like suspect for rape in a park, tall athletic man with broad nose, wearing xyz coloured clothing. German ethnicity. Anybody with information or sighting of such a man please forward to the police.
The demand to give information only to politically aligned media is just a plain attempt to kill democracy. What if I told you they are super racist and want to prominently publish the ethnicity of criminals to make people scared of brown people? That they would force the news organizations to publish daily reports on the number of brown people committing crimes if they could. Never treat a obvious racists like good faith actors.
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Yes, but it would be counterproductive, seeing as they would be reporting all crimes with Austrian suspects, or already has been.
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They are also not very smart. They live in a delusional word where they don't have an ethnicity and are the default. Or believe in some alternative reality where minorities commit the majority of crimes, but they are under reported by the liberal media. They exist in fantasy land created and re-enforced by their shitty part of the internet.
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On September 25 2018 06:08 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2018 05:58 TheDwf wrote:On September 25 2018 03:18 Big J wrote: The Austrian interior minister Herbet Kickl (mastermind of the far-right FPÖ of the past years) has adressed the police to change their press policy: - always prominently publish ethnicity with crimes Sweet racist use of the confirmation bias They are going to be really bummed out when the overwhelming majority of the crimes are committed by Austrians. Haha yeah, they will be disappointed for sure
In other news, the Aquarius is demanding to land in Marseille. We will see how Macron, the self-labelled "progressist" who lectures far-right leaders on the subject, will react. Will he finally have some decence on the matter? No clear answer from the French executive so far, except "we're working on a European solution" (because a 67 millions people country cannot handle 58 persons alone LOL)
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On September 25 2018 06:18 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Yes, but it would be counterproductive, seeing as they would be reporting all crimes with Austrian suspects, or already has been.
But that doesn't matter. They just want rightwing media to be able to go "Muslim brown guy stole 3 apples!" everytime an ethnicity they don't like does something. It doesn't matter if it is not happening more statistically often then with white austrian dudes.
If you just selectively report only on the cases that fit your agenda, that is enough to provide the perception that evil brown people are sieging the pureblooded austrians with their evil crimes. Unless literally no crimes by ethniticities that they don't like happen (Which is unlikely, because every population group has some criminals), they can use that to twist public perception. And whenever evil migrants are a constant topic of discussion, rightwing parties win. It doesn't matter if that is really a true problem or not, the perception is enough.
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On September 25 2018 06:11 Dangermousecatdog wrote: I actually don't understand that part. Surely if suspects are released publicly to help identify and capture them, then surely "ethnicity" would be released as a distinguishing feature of a suspect as expected? You know, like suspect for rape in a park, tall athletic man with broad nose, wearing xyz coloured clothing. German ethnicity. Anybody with information or sighting of such a man please forward to the police.
The demand to give information only to politically aligned media is just a plain attempt to kill democracy. Yeah, I don't think this is about that. Pretty sure this is: "We have arrested the caucasian male Josef for beating on his wife".
Except they aren't interested in when the crime was committed by a "caucasian".
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On September 25 2018 06:18 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Yes, but it would be counterproductive, seeing as they would be reporting all crimes with Austrian suspects, or already has been. Ethnicity isn't nationality. Ethnicity is some rather murky crap where we invent fancy words for white and brown in order to pretend it isn't racist as fuck.
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On September 21 2018 15:47 RvB wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2018 15:41 Acrofales wrote:On September 21 2018 14:10 Nyxisto wrote:Markets do fine in most domains, and especially in housing, we could do without non-working approaches like rent control. I think I might have posted this before but the FT has a good article on why Tokyo sees falling rent and home prices despite a rush to the cityRelax zoning, higher building height, and also importantly make all laws at the national level so that municipalities or neighborhoods can't stop people from the building. The last part seems to be more of a problem in the US than in Europe but we do seem to have our fair share of it as well. I dunno. I like our European inner cities without high-rises and 10sqm apartments. Tokyo may have finally reached the top of their housing boom, but at what cost? And Hong Kong is even worse. Most European centers have many historic buildings. Let's face it: the Eiffel tower wouldnt be nearly as iconic if it were hemmed in by glass towers 3x its height. Yet nobody but the rich have the money to live there. Pretty much all young people have trouble buying a place to live. Have you seen the prices in Amsterdam? It's near impossible to buy something and I'm not just talking about the city center. We're basically locking out 1000s of people from living in the most productive parts of the country because some people can't stomach some more houses built next to theirs.
well,new York has tons of high rises and its even more expensive then Amsterdam,maybe like 5 times as expensive for manhattan compared to the "binnenring" (downtown Amsterdam pretty much). You cant build in the innercity of Amsterdam,like there is no space. And highrise is difficult in the Netherlands in general because of the foundation needed,it doesn't make much sense. They have been building lots near Amsterdam still,for example "yburg" lots of apartments and yes still quiet expensive. Its like that in every city in the world.
Differences are growing world wide,differences in every possible area. Like for example also the difference between a top location for a house and an average location which in the end is a result of growing inequality I think.
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Is it even legal for a national authority to report the ethnicity of a crime suspect in Europe? Here it's illegal for any public authority to keep record of the ethnicity of our citizens. I thought this was a EU thing. I've never heard anyone in Europe talk about 'caucasians', which is the dumbest possible classification btw.
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On September 25 2018 06:47 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2018 06:08 Plansix wrote:On September 25 2018 05:58 TheDwf wrote:On September 25 2018 03:18 Big J wrote: The Austrian interior minister Herbet Kickl (mastermind of the far-right FPÖ of the past years) has adressed the police to change their press policy: - always prominently publish ethnicity with crimes Sweet racist use of the confirmation bias They are going to be really bummed out when the overwhelming majority of the crimes are committed by Austrians. Haha yeah, they will be disappointed for sure
In other news, the Aquarius is demanding to land in Marseille. We will see how Macron, the self-labelled "progressist" who lectures far-right leaders on the subject, will react. Will he finally have some decence on the matter? No clear answer from the French executive so far, except "we're working on a European solution" (because a 67 millions people country cannot handle 58 persons alone LOL) Aaaand as expected, France refuses to welcome the Aquarius so far. Macron is just so full of s***
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On September 25 2018 19:04 warding wrote: Is it even legal for a national authority to report the ethnicity of a crime suspect in Europe? Here it's illegal for any public authority to keep record of the ethnicity of our citizens. I thought this was a EU thing. I've never heard anyone in Europe talk about 'caucasians', which is the dumbest possible classification btw.
I dont think its EU thing, sure we dont use "caucasian" etc. since its stupid and not really helpful but You can see that plenty of news sources reports things like "French citizen of Maroccan origin", "German citizen of Turkish origin" or "UK citizen whose parents immigrated from Russia" etc.. Its not illegal in many countries and personally speaking i dont think it should be illegal.
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On September 25 2018 19:04 warding wrote: Is it even legal for a national authority to report the ethnicity of a crime suspect in Europe? Here it's illegal for any public authority to keep record of the ethnicity of our citizens. I thought this was a EU thing. I've never heard anyone in Europe talk about 'caucasians', which is the dumbest possible classification btw.
It is perfectly legal in Denmark. In fact data is kept by Statistics Denmark (the governmental census bureau).
EDIT: If we can extrapolate from Danish data I do not think the right-wing will really be all that surprised. The overrepresentation is actually pretty big - especially for the higher profile things such as rape, murder and gang-crime.
Just to examplify: Looking through all cases through 1,5 years 10 of 12 assault rapes were committed by immigrants or their descendants in a recent review the data. Every second conviction of rape (any) had an immigrant as the perpetrator.
EDIT2: Just to be clear. The law proposal is pretty terrifying.
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Only 12 rape cases in Denmark over 18 months? You are going to need to provide a good link for that information. Going through stats is interesting, but I can't seem to find the data that you can find. Through more searching, I did find that in 2018Q2, there were 423 convictions for rape but it doesn't go into anymore detail than that. Also it doesn't seem to record ethnicity, but under criminal offences it does record whether they are of Danish origin or immigrant or "descendent".
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