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.risingdragoon
United States3021 Posts
On October 04 2009 07:35 skronch wrote: what the hell would they play??? starcraft chess yes I have map | ||
jalstar
United States8198 Posts
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On October 04 2009 06:08 Tom Phoenix wrote: Jaedong and Bisu are also incredibly even. Infact, with the recent showmatch, they are now exactly 7-7 in wins against each other. With these two, a game can go either way. Also, the MSL is equal to the OSL. The OSL has not been "the superior league" for many years now and both leagues receive equal coverage nowadays. Anyway, while Jaedong is incredible and will likely remain a favourite for most of his career, I doubt he will be as dominant as Kasparov due to Jaedong having competitors even during his prime. That is why it is unlikely he will ever be considered a bonjwa (although, to be honest, nobody really knows what exactly constitues a bonjwa). This isn't true. It won't be true until you have things that make the OSL what it is... things like the Golden/Platinum/Diamond Mouse, the OSL curse, and the places where rivalries are actually born. OSL has always inspired bigger matches... ALWAYS. | ||
Myxomatosis
United States2392 Posts
On October 04 2009 07:38 0neder wrote: Show nested quote + On October 04 2009 04:14 Klive5ive wrote: Kasparov is one of the greatest geniuses of the 21st century. Jaedong... is a Starcraft player. Let's not lose too much perspective here please. Kasparov was a great critical thinker who was great at a game. Jaedong is a great critical thinker who is great at a game. Let's not lose too much perspective here please. what perspective is being lost? kasparov's mastery of chess much more akin to genius than jaedong's ability to play a computer game. | ||
Myxomatosis
United States2392 Posts
On October 04 2009 08:20 Jayme wrote: Show nested quote + On October 04 2009 06:08 Tom Phoenix wrote: Jaedong and Bisu are also incredibly even. Infact, with the recent showmatch, they are now exactly 7-7 in wins against each other. With these two, a game can go either way. Also, the MSL is equal to the OSL. The OSL has not been "the superior league" for many years now and both leagues receive equal coverage nowadays. Anyway, while Jaedong is incredible and will likely remain a favourite for most of his career, I doubt he will be as dominant as Kasparov due to Jaedong having competitors even during his prime. That is why it is unlikely he will ever be considered a bonjwa (although, to be honest, nobody really knows what exactly constitues a bonjwa). This isn't true. It won't be true until you have things that make the OSL what it is... things like the Golden/Platinum/Diamond Mouse, the OSL curse, and the places where rivalries are actually born. OSL has always inspired bigger matches... ALWAYS. oh right savior vs. bisu took place in an osl. oh wait. in recent years the msl has had just as much prestige as an osl. do you honestly think that the golden/platinum/diamond mouse are representative of a tournament's prestige? the only reason the msl does not have a golden mouse is because nada/oov had already won 3 osls before its advent. | ||
Comeh
United States18918 Posts
Voted Kasparov, merely because being #1 ranked in anything for 15+ years is kind of a big deal. Also, lost 22~ pounds from playing chess? Fuck, that is hardcore as hell. | ||
deathgod6
United States5063 Posts
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Tom Phoenix
1114 Posts
On October 04 2009 08:20 Jayme wrote: Show nested quote + On October 04 2009 06:08 Tom Phoenix wrote: Jaedong and Bisu are also incredibly even. Infact, with the recent showmatch, they are now exactly 7-7 in wins against each other. With these two, a game can go either way. Also, the MSL is equal to the OSL. The OSL has not been "the superior league" for many years now and both leagues receive equal coverage nowadays. Anyway, while Jaedong is incredible and will likely remain a favourite for most of his career, I doubt he will be as dominant as Kasparov due to Jaedong having competitors even during his prime. That is why it is unlikely he will ever be considered a bonjwa (although, to be honest, nobody really knows what exactly constitues a bonjwa). This isn't true. It won't be true until you have things that make the OSL what it is... things like the Golden/Platinum/Diamond Mouse, the OSL curse, and the places where rivalries are actually born. OSL has always inspired bigger matches... ALWAYS. As I said, you are a few years late. Many of the top players (including the bonjwas) have made their debuts in the MSL and some of the most influential games in progaming history were played there. These are no longer the old KPGA days when the MSL was a minor league. It has gained a lot of prestige and coverage since then and the two are preety much equal in scale nowadays. So the thought that "OSL>MSL" is seriously outdated at this point. | ||
Simplistik
1591 Posts
On October 04 2009 04:24 Hyperionnn wrote: Show nested quote + On October 04 2009 03:53 SiZ.FaNtAsY wrote: Great effort, but I really hate when people try to make these kinds of comparisons... Yeah, kasparov and jaedong are not even comperable at any rate at all They clearly are comparable. The article did just that after all. | ||
KristianJS
2107 Posts
On October 04 2009 08:52 Simplistik wrote: Show nested quote + On October 04 2009 04:24 Hyperionnn wrote: On October 04 2009 03:53 SiZ.FaNtAsY wrote: Great effort, but I really hate when people try to make these kinds of comparisons... Yeah, kasparov and jaedong are not even comperable at any rate at all They clearly are comparable. The article did just that after all. Obviously any two objects in the universe are comparable in a literal sense. We both know that's not what the post was implying though. | ||
CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
On October 04 2009 08:52 Simplistik wrote: Show nested quote + On October 04 2009 04:24 Hyperionnn wrote: On October 04 2009 03:53 SiZ.FaNtAsY wrote: Great effort, but I really hate when people try to make these kinds of comparisons... Yeah, kasparov and jaedong are not even comperable at any rate at all They clearly are comparable. The article did just that after all. Ok you can. You can say that Jaedong is to Starcraft what Kasparov is to chess (even though it may not be 100% true, you CAN say that). But you CAN NOT say that Jaedong > Kasparov. Because it's just not true. No matter what aspect of their respective domains you are comparing, Kasparov has the upper hand. Also it's chess. Everyone who says starcraft > chess should wait and see if starcraft is still being played in the year 3000. Yes? | ||
BlackJack
United States9274 Posts
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miseiler
United States1389 Posts
Including the death stares is genius. | ||
CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
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KristianJS
2107 Posts
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arb
Noobville17915 Posts
On October 04 2009 08:23 Myxomatosis wrote: Show nested quote + On October 04 2009 07:38 0neder wrote: On October 04 2009 04:14 Klive5ive wrote: Kasparov is one of the greatest geniuses of the 21st century. Jaedong... is a Starcraft player. Let's not lose too much perspective here please. Kasparov was a great critical thinker who was great at a game. Jaedong is a great critical thinker who is great at a game. Let's not lose too much perspective here please. what perspective is being lost? kasparov's mastery of chess much more akin to genius than jaedong's ability to play a computer game. Im sorry, but Jaedongs not dominated nearly as long as any of the Bonjwas. Trying to compare him to kasparov is quite frankly, insulting. | ||
KnightOfNi
United States1508 Posts
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
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Hinanawi
United States2250 Posts
If we compress the time frame 10x or so, maybe it works. In that case, Flash would be Bobby Fischer. Anyway, definitely a fun read either way. | ||
Archaic
United States4024 Posts
On October 04 2009 04:14 Klive5ive wrote: Kasparov is one of the greatest geniuses of the 21st century. Jaedong... is a Starcraft player. Let's not lose too much perspective here please. I have to agree with this. Despite how badass Jaedong is, his genius can't be compared to Kasparov's. The main reason being he wins most of his games through pure mechanics, not necessarily genius. | ||
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