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On September 11 2004 09:25 jacen wrote: Show nested quote +On September 11 2004 09:19 MannerLess_ wrote: Bah, if it sucks(it will), I guess people will eventually come back to bw(the hardcore players). the hardcore player wont even switch to sc2 if its not anywhere near sc1 Oh well, I think everyone will at laest end up trying it, but unless SC2 is very good(which most likely is not gonna happen), I don't see BW's community dying anytime soon, dunno about progaming tho.
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On September 11 2004 08:45 Abyss_Bahamut wrote: This is what I think should happen:
We need one representative or a few that are famous [ Progamers, rekrul, leg, someone famous in our community with cred ]
We need a list of what we ALL agree on. As impossible as it sounds, this list has already been started.
The true craft fans who've been playing since day one and visit this forum want: Keep the same 2D Graphics format.
An expansion will be just as great as another game if not BETTER because it's nearly impossible to re-create what happened with Starcraft and Broodwar. By just creating an expansion we will have a higher chance of remaking that glory.
Continue the story on the plot it's been going, don't put in bs twists and fuck up the godly single player.
No fucking heroes. Because we know they could work but I don't think any of us wanna give Blizzard chances after the heroes in WC3. We want the BEST chances possible to recreate BW.
No fucking items, and so many upgrades for EVERY unit, when I play wc3 it's like playing diablo with every fucking unit including peons, wtf is that.
One new race max assuming you create SC2, 3 new races or some other absurd number would make ZERO sense. The only considerable races are Xel'Naga or the new race implied by Duran. Xel'Naga would be hard as hell to make original though considering they are an advanced Protoss. They'd cost way too much and the ' ladder ' between the other races would be too wide. Think about it, Xel'Nagas first unit would probably only be defeated by 2 zeals or 6 rines or 7-8 lings. Duran's race seems most appropriate.
We DON'T want wc3, do not look at it or even look at the few succesess you had with wc3. Sc is sc, remember, not warcraft in space.
We all want an RTS. We do NOT want a fusion of RTS FPS MMORPG
Point out the sc scene in Korea, educate them, do you really think that by changing the game like you did to wc3 that sc will still continue to exist? People LIVE off sc, you're doing something right, keep it that way.
HARD COUNTERS, I cannot stress this enough, and I'm sure the majority of the community backs me. WE WANT A HARD GAME, DON'T PUSSIFY WITH SOFT COUNTERS.
Generic things like these I think we all agree on and we need to present it RIGHT and with AUTHORITY.
You make an online petition, and I'll sign it... not that it worked when that shitty patch came out on April fools day.
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i just wanna ask you war3 haters something, if the game is so dumbed down and newbified, what seperates the good players from the best players?
it's not racial imbalance, that's actually pretty good (within about 2-3% differences)
it's not luck, anyone says you can win war3 on 'item luck' is stupid and hasn't played the game since they changed the drop tables (over a year ago)
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for the record, i don't want heroes, upkeep, smaller armies, creeps, shops, mercenaries in SC2
but to call war3 a newbie game at all is quite ignorant, why dont' you just go to korea and become a pro-war3 gamer and make tons of money then? =p
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On September 11 2004 08:14 Jim wrote: I guess its understandable but most of you guys just want sc with better graphics. Doesnt sc have any flaws for you? Imo sc lacks a random map generator ala AOE2. That is so much fun.
i wouldn't call that a flaw. it'd be cool, but a flaw is something else.
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There are a few key things that I think makes BW great:
1.) Interesting, and difficult, but doable micro tasks. 2.) Building a large eco is a strategy. 3.) Every match has the potential to spawn some cute, situational strategy. 4.) Each race has a significantly different strategy when facing the other races. 5.) Depth of ability to harass. 6.) Fast pace.
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If they make a Mega-Patch then they are cohessively losing out on millions of dollars, yes it sounds best to the majority of the gamers, but seriously...would a corporation that is constantly losing respect from its own gamers even run the risk of not making the money while its there..?
More than 9 out of 10 brood war players with extensive knowledge of the game would tell you they want pretty much the same things... Now lets think, I'm sure Blizzard are not 9 year olds sitting around thinking "Lets make ORCS IN SPACE", they must have a general idea of why starcraft was much more supported tournament wise and have the longevity to last as long as it has..
I guess what I'm trying to say is stop bashing something that hasn't even had a platform chosen for itself yet, get on the forums, be productive and give positive, well rounded answers, and refrain from making yourselves look like jackasses by bashing people who play video games for fun and entertainment *war3 players*, its not, and wheter you believe it or not, will not help your arguement at all.
God forbid they don't make it exactly how YOU want it...your life is now over, shoot yourself.
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I remember when I first baught WC3 the 3rd day it was released. Got bored of it in 3 weeks and havent played it since then. However, a month ago, I was at a friends house who had WC3, but no starcraft, so i played a game for fun. I was orc he was undead, and level 6. With my micro/macro I overpowered him, killing his entire army numerous times. Everytime he countered me he would say "No way are u noob, look how fast u rebuild ur army".( I was MACROING!!! :O ) In the end his giant beatle hero thing killed my entire army, cause it was like level 9. He had gone a "creeped" the entire map, something I hadnt done. I had also expoed a couple of times, but there was nothing I could do against his gay hero. My orcs and shit were even upped to the max. But the conclusion is, I nearly beat a lvl 6 player cause I knew the concept of macro (U cant really micro in wc3). WC3 is just an easier and crappier version of starcraft.
The only micro u can do in wc3, is like zealot vrs zealot micro.
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UPDATE!!JosephH has just posted yet ANOTHER suggestion question: What platform do you most want to see the next RTS StarCraft game on? Which would you least like to see it on? Why? What advantages/disadvantages do you see to that platform compared to others?
I'll put this into the original post as well. I think this is a question that has an answer we all can agree on.
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With my luck, SC2 will be XBOX only with heroes, creeping and a 100 food limit.
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Not to be an ass to ownage, but level 6 guy =[. Pretty much everyone from level 1 to level 10 have the same skills. An average played right now is about level 27. Level 6 is nothing =[. But I get your point.
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ROFL, an strategy game without a mouse isn't doable, especially if it involves so much speed like Starcraft. The online community requires an pc too. There's like only 1 million ppl playing on xbox online servers ... :S.
iirc starcraft 64 wasn't exactly a hit too. A pc is just capable of sooooooooooo much more then a console.
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Hmm, im looking forward if they manage to discover new race
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Wow this is amazing I can't believe it, it's finally official. But I don't really care about it unless they manage to make it better than starcraft. I'll try before I buy and if I like it more than starcraft I'll play that part of the time, but sc:bw forever.
Actually a nice feature would be to play sc:bw with sc2 in either original format or sc2 format with original sc:bw players so you wouldn't have to switch games to play each one.
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I wish it stayed as 2D, I like it as it is right now. No heroes, This once-popular game called Kingdom Under Fire got fucked because of heroes. No experiences stuff, easier observer settings
Hmm..Units?Maybe zerg can have more useful/effecitve magic unit?That would be awesome. I hope races stay as Z P T thow. =]
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I remember when I called everybody who said SC2 was coming out stupid.x.X
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umm, i cant call wc3 crappy, instead of macroing you creep, and in battles its all about the same but in sc you move couple of units at the time and in wc3 you command single units
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On September 11 2004 12:35 suxN wrote: umm, i cant call wc3 crappy, instead of macroing you creep, and in battles its all about the same but in sc you move couple of units at the time and in wc3 you command single units
How good are you at both games?
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On September 11 2004 12:02 0wNaG3- wrote: I remember when I first baught WC3 the 3rd day it was released. Got bored of it in 3 weeks and havent played it since then. However, a month ago, I was at a friends house who had WC3, but no starcraft, so i played a game for fun. I was orc he was undead, and level 6. With my micro/macro I overpowered him, killing his entire army numerous times. Everytime he countered me he would say "No way are u noob, look how fast u rebuild ur army".( I was MACROING!!! :O ) In the end his giant beatle hero thing killed my entire army, cause it was like level 9. He had gone a "creeped" the entire map, something I hadnt done. I had also expoed a couple of times, but there was nothing I could do against his gay hero. My orcs and shit were even upped to the max. But the conclusion is, I nearly beat a lvl 6 player cause I knew the concept of macro (U cant really micro in wc3). WC3 is just an easier and crappier version of starcraft.
The only micro u can do in wc3, is like zealot vrs zealot micro.
you can't level a hero past level 5 from creeping, so he got to level 9 from killing your units =/
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I saw this a couple of days ago, in SCLEGacy.com, I hope they make Sc2. But a True Sequel not a stupid copy of SC with Heros and that crap.
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