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thanks for sharing. i've been waiting for benchmarks from anandtech and such.
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The 5850 and 5870 prices will drop quickly.
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Why would 5850 and 5870 prices drop quickly? The 6850 and 6870 does not replace the current 5800 lineup. The 5800s will be replaced by the 6900s which will come in November/December.
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Got me a 5500 a week or so ago! Was too excited to wait!
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On October 23 2010 01:20 skyR wrote: Why would 5850 and 5870 prices drop quickly? The 6850 and 6870 does not replace the current 5800 lineup. The 5800s will be replaced by the 6900s which will come in November/December. Probably just more AMD naming tricks as a part of their plan to convince people that the 6850/70 replaces the current 5800 lineup when they don't. Maybe. Haven't been keeping track really, but has the 5800 sales been all that hot since the 460 came out from nvidia?
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One can say AMD will transition into using "9" as their high end, instead of the "8" we've seen for so long. 69xx/68xx as compared to 58xx/57xx.
Its either really good marketing, or the 69xx series is going to be a beast.
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6800 does not replace the 5700 lineup either. AMD can't really name the new cards 6770 since they do not replace the previous 5700 lineup. They were filling a gap in the lineup (~$200 segment) and the only option they had left was to shift their flagship cards to 6900 and use 6800 for performance cards. They'll have a complete lineup by the end of the year which will make total sense.
6900 = $300+ 6800 = $180 - $300 5700 = $120 - $180 5600 = sub $120
The sub 5700 lines probably won't be replaced until 32nm or 28nm process are ready.
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Seems like these benchmarks show varied results, however if you assume they are equal(to the 460s) in performance but the ATIs are cheaper. Ah decisions.
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Strictly speaking about SC2, the 6850 is a good choice because it only needs 1 power connector, versus 2 for the GTX 460, so it would be great for people with older computers, less powerful PSUs, or people building new computers - they can save by buying a less powerful PSU.
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When 6900 series comes out 58xx prices will drop. I'm pretty sure 5850 prices will drop sooner as 6850 is ~ 5850 performance at $80 less than the 5850's MSRP. Also, this release makes it much more difficult to suggest getting the gtx460 1gb vs the 6850 as the 6850 matches and even beats it sometimes while drawing less power and is $20 cheaper. Things will really shake up when the 69xx cards come out so if I were waiting to buy a card I'd wait a month for them to come.
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You probably wont be seeing 58xx series price drops anytime soon, unless AMD offers retailers the rebates themselves. You have to remember the retailers buy them for just a bit less than they're selling them for. To sell a $350 video card $100 cheaper than you bought it for ... not very good business sense.
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On October 23 2010 01:17 Boblion wrote: The 5850 and 5870 prices will drop quickly. that makes no sense
there's no reason to drop the price on the 5800 series as the manufacturing process for the 6800 is far more efficient allowing AMD to price them so low. are they actually introducing a 6900 series? i thought the X9XX was reserved for dual gpu cards now?
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On October 23 2010 05:43 mahnini wrote:+ Show Spoiler +there's no reason to drop the price on the 5800 series as the manufacturing process for the 6800 is far more efficient allowing AMD to price them so low. are they actually introducing a 6900 series? i thought the X9XX was reserved for dual gpu cards now? No, they changed their naming scheme. That's why the 5870 is still faster than the 6870, the 6870 replaces the 5770.
And selling your old GPUs for a low price is better than sitting on them, but I doubt that AMD has a large stock , they are not stupid.
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AMD is using less silicone is making the barts so there will be no reason for a price drop. they might not phase out the 5850 and 5830 because those are forms of 5870 and 5970 and they wont be giving away even more room for nvidia to have the more powerful gpu. AMD just like to crowd out them selves, likely they will fill orders for both then put in a EOL order out to partners with they have a few months left till clayman comes as a true successor.. Have you seen their cpu sector so many fucking chips all performing around the same and priced the same.
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On October 23 2010 06:31 clusen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2010 05:43 mahnini wrote:+ Show Spoiler +there's no reason to drop the price on the 5800 series as the manufacturing process for the 6800 is far more efficient allowing AMD to price them so low. are they actually introducing a 6900 series? i thought the X9XX was reserved for dual gpu cards now? No, they changed their naming scheme. That's why the 5870 is still faster than the 6870, the 6870 replaces the 5770. And selling your old GPUs for a low price is better than sitting on them, but I doubt that AMD has a large stock , they are not stupid.
The 6870 fills a gap in AMD's lineup or technically replaces the flopped 5830. It does not replace the 5770. How can it replace the 5770 when its $240 and a 5770 is $140?
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On October 23 2010 02:38 SONE wrote: Seems like these benchmarks show varied results, however if you assume they are equal(to the 460s) in performance but the ATIs are cheaper. Ah decisions.
It's a no brainer. If you're in for a new capable graphics card, go with the 6850 or 6870, if not stick with 460 GTX if you have one already. If you have extra cash and want more, then both cards will scale very well with Crossfire.
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On October 23 2010 06:35 skyR wrote: The 6870 fills a gap in AMD's lineup or technically replaces the flopped 5830. It does not replace the 5770. How can it replace the 5770 when its $240 and a 5770 is $140? When the lineup is fully released the 6870 will take the place of the 5770. Technically it can not replace the 5830, because that was based on Cypress, while the 5770 was Juniper. When a crappy dumbed down Cayman comes it might replace the 5830, but there are only 3 cards on the radar right now: 6950, 6970, 6990.
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