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pretty sure the cast is gonna be delayed if it is live. Anything more than 5 mins would be enough to ensure the integrity of the game. I think Justin.tv is quite prepared for it as well judging as we can see from the day9 stream thread.
The only problem would be jerks constantly checking match history and spoiling the result in chat.I imagine there will be one or two instances where all the bases are mined out, the outcome is not clear. Final battle to decide all. And some dumbass will " hey i checked the match history, jinro just won 1 min ago"
Hopefully the solution they find will guarantee the best viewing experience possible for the players.
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My only question is how in the world is Day9 not casting the biggest western Starcraft league that just happens to also be located in SoCal?
Listening to Gretorp's fake screams of excitement after each set of last night's showmatch was unbearable.
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I think the prize pool is a great thing for Western eSports, I'm sure everything will come together with time and experience. I'm sure if things go wellwe will see soundproof booths, we will see more games live, I'm sure they'll be able to afford studios and all the fancy stuff like GSL has. For now I think the focus on a large prize pool will be an important thing to solidify eSports in the west as something viable.
You tell people that don't understand Starcraft about GSL and they are like "wait, you watch koreans play video games?" then you tell them the winner gets ~$50,000 and they suddenly seem to think that it's less useless. The prize pool attracts the best players, the best players attract the biggest audience, the biggest audience is the thing that will solidify NASL and get increased financial support in the future for improvements.
They have stated they are willing to listen to fan feedback, and I'm sure it will only get better with time. For now there is a $100,000 tournament in North America, why are people insisting on making out this is a bad thing?
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On February 22 2011 17:33 Turb0 wrote: My only question is how in the world is Day9 not casting the biggest western Starcraft league that just happens to also be located in SoCal?
Listening to Gretorp's fake screams of excitement after each set of last night's showmatch was unbearable.
How about reading the interview? Geoff said:
And then Day9 was approached early on in the process but take it from his perspective. The guy has every hour of his life booked solid. So when this fledgling league comes in and says “hey, trying to do something super awesome, do you want to be a part of it?” and he's like “Uh, do I want to commit three months to something that's just starting, when I have my entire life sold out?” So understandably, he was like “Sure, talk to me when you get to the finals.” But hopefully as it grows, and it's pretty evident that it is a big stage, we'll get Day9 involved because he is the big commentator. There's just no question about it. I'd love to say I am the guy that is Day9 but I'm not, it's Day9.
day[9] is a busy guy since he is about to graduate from school and already doing other SC2 related things.
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Thanks for the show, I really enjoyed the games.
However, There should be a requirement/license for people aspiring to cast tournaments/events to attend a 2 days crash course with djWHEAT on casting and production fundamentals.
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...every player is supposed to be backed by a $250 refundable fee. Essentially what it is, is every time they're rude or they're late or any kind of unforeseeable problems occur they'll be penalized $25 or $50 and that comes out of the refundable fee of course. But most people, hopefully all, will be completely and immaculately fine and will get that $250 back. But the idea is to make them accountable.
It's a good idea to make players accountable, it's a bad idea to discourage any type of showboating. Celebrity will be important (it's awesome that backstory is being encouraged) if this is to continue gaining popularity. There are many people out there who want to see some "bad manner" every now and again, hell look at what made -orb-'s stream popular during beta, football celebrations, or even LeBron James when he was changing teams from Cleveland. People love some showmanship, even if that means someone has to be the bad-guy sometimes.
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On February 22 2011 17:25 composition wrote: 16 is a power of 2. 64 is also a power of 2. 50 is not a power of 2.
fail
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On February 22 2011 16:36 mufin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 15:43 Pcl.Busted wrote:On February 22 2011 15:21 mufin wrote:On February 22 2011 14:05 IamAnton wrote: "Incontrol stated that perhaps there will be a cap on Koreans at five max." LOL
that would be such a terrible idea... Let the best players in the world compete plz.. Yea and what happens when 30+ koreans decide to move over and take over the top 16 of the tournament. You now have a north american tournament filled with all korean players. Does that sound like a good way to get western esports on the right track? People want to watch players they can connect with; players that share their same culture and language. The league's purpose is to create the competitive environment needed for the west to catch up to the korean scene, not to determine who the best korean is. Think of it as just one giant TSL tournament. Thats called incentive, if the South Korean's are the best in the world then they are the best in the world and everyone else is just gonna have to get better. If not then its no better then male and female tournaments. The best should be aloud to compete no matter their race, sex or nationality. Sounds like you want easy mode. you fail to see the bigger picture. Do you really think from a business stand point that the NASL would have more success with koreans occupying the top 16 spots? It would just be GSL, but with different casters. If I wanted to watch GSL I would watch GSL. To put it into perspective, say my friend recommended me to watch the NASL. Would I be more likely to keep watching if I saw players that spoke my language and shared my culture or if I saw players that needed to be paired with a translator at all times? Theirs a reason why koreans have less fans in the western world then foreign players and its certainly not because foreigners are the better players. Simply put, if NASL wants to grow, it has to cater to its audience. Just like GSL caters to foreigners (code A seeds, housing, etc...) because they know thats what their viewership wants to see. Its just good business, sorry.
I really like to think that the Starcraft 2 community is better then that. We aren't a group of racist cultural elitists. We play Starcraft 2 for the comradery we have with our Starcraft 2 brothers. Culture, language, sex, and country of origin shouldn't be factors in Starcraft 2 tournaments, those things really don't matter. We all play Starcraft 2 because we all love Starcraft 2. Maybe I'm naive and idealistic but shouldn't we put our brotherhood as Starcraft 2 players above greed and set an example for the rest of our world. Many of the smartest most logical people on the planet are a part of this community. Why can't we look past culture and creed or better yet learn about each others cultures(look at Team Liquid and OGS). We aren't Americans, Asians, Europeans or anything else we are Starcraft 2 players.
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Yer gretorp and Incontrol aren't the greatest actors in the world, hopefully they can pull out some sincere excitement when casting NASL.
btw Incontrol, there's such a thing as overhype dude.
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On February 22 2011 17:38 zOula... wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 17:25 composition wrote: 16 is a power of 2. 64 is also a power of 2. 50 is not a power of 2. fail How so?
2 4 8 16 32 64
i don't see 50
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I am worried about stream quality since justintv is involved >< Showmatch was lagging uber hard for most Europe, US seemed ok. I couldnt even watch in 240p and went to sleep after first game. jtv must really improve for europe, or if its gonna freeze after 10k viewers again, it wont be good for premium sales
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On February 22 2011 17:44 norecha wrote: I am worried about stream quality since justintv is involved >< Showmatch was lagging uber hard for most Europe, US seemed ok. I couldnt even watch in 240p and went to sleep after first game. jtv must really improve for europe, or if its gonna freeze after 10k viewers again, it wont be good for premium sales
I am worried too. But since JustinTV is working pretty hard on Esports right know (day9TV etc), who knows if they start to support NASL aswell.
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On February 22 2011 17:42 don_kyuhote wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 17:38 zOula... wrote:On February 22 2011 17:25 composition wrote: 16 is a power of 2. 64 is also a power of 2. 50 is not a power of 2. fail How so? 2 4 8 16 32 64 i don't see 50
I think it might not be elimination / tournament style but more of a league/ round robin style.
50 people spread into 5 groups for example. Top 3 of each group goes through. Seems unlikely they will make everyone play each other because that will be way too many games.
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On February 22 2011 17:44 norecha wrote: I am worried about stream quality since justintv is involved >< Showmatch was lagging uber hard for most Europe, US seemed ok. I couldnt even watch in 240p and went to sleep after first game. jtv must really improve for europe, or if its gonna freeze after 10k viewers again, it wont be good for premium sales Well, you are pretty much in asia tbf.
I've never had connection problems with justintv.
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I just hope they increase the production value. The show-match production was horrible.
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On February 22 2011 17:38 Pcl.Busted wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 16:36 mufin wrote:On February 22 2011 15:43 Pcl.Busted wrote:On February 22 2011 15:21 mufin wrote:On February 22 2011 14:05 IamAnton wrote: "Incontrol stated that perhaps there will be a cap on Koreans at five max." LOL
that would be such a terrible idea... Let the best players in the world compete plz.. Yea and what happens when 30+ koreans decide to move over and take over the top 16 of the tournament. You now have a north american tournament filled with all korean players. Does that sound like a good way to get western esports on the right track? People want to watch players they can connect with; players that share their same culture and language. The league's purpose is to create the competitive environment needed for the west to catch up to the korean scene, not to determine who the best korean is. Think of it as just one giant TSL tournament. Thats called incentive, if the South Korean's are the best in the world then they are the best in the world and everyone else is just gonna have to get better. If not then its no better then male and female tournaments. The best should be aloud to compete no matter their race, sex or nationality. Sounds like you want easy mode. you fail to see the bigger picture. Do you really think from a business stand point that the NASL would have more success with koreans occupying the top 16 spots? It would just be GSL, but with different casters. If I wanted to watch GSL I would watch GSL. To put it into perspective, say my friend recommended me to watch the NASL. Would I be more likely to keep watching if I saw players that spoke my language and shared my culture or if I saw players that needed to be paired with a translator at all times? Theirs a reason why koreans have less fans in the western world then foreign players and its certainly not because foreigners are the better players. Simply put, if NASL wants to grow, it has to cater to its audience. Just like GSL caters to foreigners (code A seeds, housing, etc...) because they know thats what their viewership wants to see. Its just good business, sorry. I really like to think that the Starcraft 2 community is better then that. We aren't a group of racist cultural elitists. We play Starcraft 2 for the comradery we have with our Starcraft 2 brothers. Culture, language, sex, and country of origin shouldn't be factors in Starcraft 2 tournaments, those things really don't matter. We all play Starcraft 2 because we all love Starcraft 2. Maybe I'm naive and idealistic but shouldn't we put our brotherhood as Starcraft 2 players above greed and set an example for the rest of our world. Many of the smartest most logical people on the planet are a part of this community. Why can't we look past culture and creed or better yet learn about each others cultures(look at Team Liquid and OGS). We aren't Americans, Asians, Europeans or anything else we are Starcraft 2 players.
So who won the German "Bundesliga" last year? Right, you don't care because it's germany. Most people care in the first place about what is local to them, what they know and can relate to. Yes, most SC(2) players can relate to koreans, because we have a tradition. New members of the community that might just want to watch and have no such tradition don't care about korea - well, except maybe they worry about north korea blowing them up - or any korean progamers.
To promote E-Sports, we have to touch the "i can relate to that" part of people that are not in the community (yet).
I think the NASL is a big chance and i'd love to see something similar in EU(or better directly in Germany).
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Will be interesting to see if this attracts players from Europe who were "interested" in going to GSL but decided not to because it was too big of a commitment to stay in Korea for a long time. Especially since the competition was/is so heavy.
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Didnt they say 9 weeks of group play? It all makes sense. 50 players (confirmed) 5 group / 10 players each group (confirmed) 5 matches each day, 25 each week (confirmed) Each player plays 9 matches in his group So first day all from group 1 can play 1 game 2nd day all from group 1 can play their 2nd game Group one takes 9 days to play out 5 groups take 45 days to play out 45 days is...... 9 weeks!!!!
Confirm/deny?
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On February 22 2011 17:40 Skitz wrote: Yer gretorp and Incontrol aren't the greatest actors in the world, hopefully they can pull out some sincere excitement when casting NASL.
btw Incontrol, there's such a thing as overhype dude. yea he overhyped this to the max i think thats why so many ppl are dissapointed, i was expecting a live studio just like the gsl, i was not expecting an online tournament, sure the prize pool is great (not as great as the gsl as its over 3 months) but online tournaments are just so much less entertaining then live lans. Also incontrol and gretorp casting, im cringing so hard right now, day 9 HD husky they all live around there im pretty sure all of them would be more appropriate for casting.
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On February 22 2011 17:59 Morfildur wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 17:38 Pcl.Busted wrote:On February 22 2011 16:36 mufin wrote:On February 22 2011 15:43 Pcl.Busted wrote:On February 22 2011 15:21 mufin wrote:On February 22 2011 14:05 IamAnton wrote: "Incontrol stated that perhaps there will be a cap on Koreans at five max." LOL
that would be such a terrible idea... Let the best players in the world compete plz.. Yea and what happens when 30+ koreans decide to move over and take over the top 16 of the tournament. You now have a north american tournament filled with all korean players. Does that sound like a good way to get western esports on the right track? People want to watch players they can connect with; players that share their same culture and language. The league's purpose is to create the competitive environment needed for the west to catch up to the korean scene, not to determine who the best korean is. Think of it as just one giant TSL tournament. Thats called incentive, if the South Korean's are the best in the world then they are the best in the world and everyone else is just gonna have to get better. If not then its no better then male and female tournaments. The best should be aloud to compete no matter their race, sex or nationality. Sounds like you want easy mode. you fail to see the bigger picture. Do you really think from a business stand point that the NASL would have more success with koreans occupying the top 16 spots? It would just be GSL, but with different casters. If I wanted to watch GSL I would watch GSL. To put it into perspective, say my friend recommended me to watch the NASL. Would I be more likely to keep watching if I saw players that spoke my language and shared my culture or if I saw players that needed to be paired with a translator at all times? Theirs a reason why koreans have less fans in the western world then foreign players and its certainly not because foreigners are the better players. Simply put, if NASL wants to grow, it has to cater to its audience. Just like GSL caters to foreigners (code A seeds, housing, etc...) because they know thats what their viewership wants to see. Its just good business, sorry. I really like to think that the Starcraft 2 community is better then that. We aren't a group of racist cultural elitists. We play Starcraft 2 for the comradery we have with our Starcraft 2 brothers. Culture, language, sex, and country of origin shouldn't be factors in Starcraft 2 tournaments, those things really don't matter. We all play Starcraft 2 because we all love Starcraft 2. Maybe I'm naive and idealistic but shouldn't we put our brotherhood as Starcraft 2 players above greed and set an example for the rest of our world. Many of the smartest most logical people on the planet are a part of this community. Why can't we look past culture and creed or better yet learn about each others cultures(look at Team Liquid and OGS). We aren't Americans, Asians, Europeans or anything else we are Starcraft 2 players. So who won the German "Bundesliga" last year? Right, you don't care because it's germany. Most people care in the first place about what is local to them, what they know and can relate to. Yes, most SC(2) players can relate to koreans, because we have a tradition. New members of the community that might just want to watch and have no such tradition don't care about korea - well, except maybe they worry about north korea blowing them up - or any korean progamers. To promote E-Sports, we have to touch the "i can relate to that" part of people that are not in the community (yet). I think the NASL is a big chance and i'd love to see something similar in EU(or better directly in Germany). I don't watch football I watch starcraft I don't know who won the Superbowl or the World Series of Baseball either. I know who won the ESWC. I'm not saying everyone should care about everything. I'm saying Starcraft 2 should cross racial and cultural barriers. The world cup and the Olympics do it why not Starcraft 2.
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