The expensive players could be worth it because of the ace match bonus.
There are some potential ace players who are relatively cheap. Like light and free and leta. But who knows if they'll actually be played
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gen.Sun
United States539 Posts
The expensive players could be worth it because of the ace match bonus. There are some potential ace players who are relatively cheap. Like light and free and leta. But who knows if they'll actually be played | ||
bearbuddy
3442 Posts
On April 19 2011 09:06 salito wrote: Show nested quote + On April 19 2011 08:55 bearbuddy wrote: On April 19 2011 08:38 salito wrote: On April 19 2011 08:07 aimaimaim wrote: On April 19 2011 07:50 salito wrote: On April 19 2011 07:39 aimaimaim wrote: On April 19 2011 07:30 salito wrote: Can anyone explain why the $ value of players from last season is completely incorrect? http://www.teamliquid.net/fantasy/proleague/Stats.php?r=9&s=0&d=0 i.e. Flash was 13, Bisu 13, Stats 4, Stork 7, Jaedong 11. Why are the values altered? Even in Fantasy proleague we need balance. top players are usually very high during WL because they can get multi kills. And they change because players may have done greatly or poorly last season that their value corresponds with their recent performance.. I'm not talking about this season. I'm saying that the values from LAST SEASON are incorrect RIGHT NOW. Guys, what do you think about Really vs. Light? Both are pretty good, on the same team, and of similar value. They change their value now because of their performance last season! Thus their change! and the question you asked regarding bisu and flash, for example, was 13 and now they are 9 is because they wont be hogging kills anymore! but they are still the top of the league. You're misunderstanding me. I'll try one more time. I understand that the $ value of players changes each season based on their performance during prior seasons. Click this. http://www.teamliquid.net/fantasy/proleague/Stats.php?r=9&s=0&d=0 These are the stats from the end of last season. Look at the $ column. Take Flash. He is listed as $14. This is incorrect as at the start of last season, he was $13. No change should be observed as $ value stays constant for the duration of the season; it has no factor in trades as trade value is used to calculate legal trades. $ value does not fluctuate. Trade value fluctuates as the season goes on. My question is why do the $ values at the end of last season not match up with the $ values at the beginning of last season. Please completely disregard this season's $ value. The reason I want to know the correct $ values of last season is to determine which players over performed or under performed last season, and by how much. It is impossible to do this with the current incorrect $ values. Take Stats. He is listed as $8 when he was actually $4. You cannot see how much of a bargain he was last season (25-9 record) because last season's $ values are screwed up. Sorry if this was unclear. You can look at trade values to see how well they performed through the season. Since the original price is not exactly empirical and it's up to the mod's discretion, there really isn't an exact formula to calculate that number. Looking at trade value does not help at all. If I wanted to see how well they performed through the season, I can just look at points. I want to know who over performed and who under performed. I don't know how $ value is calculated. I assumed there was a formula, and not a subjective standard. You say it is up to the discretion of a mod. Can anyone confirm this? The Luxury Chaos Theory Typifies how the value is assigned. The "expected score" is a projection, so it has to be subjective. + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2010 19:21 Hot_Bid wrote: Show nested quote + On January 20 2010 18:54 Scorch wrote: Is there a textual list of player/team prices somewhere? I like experimenting in notepad. The prices aren't based on Round 2 of Proleague, right? I mean, Luxury costs 5... <font size=3>Luxury Chaos Theory: Origins</font> FPL1: Luxury Price: $6, expected to score ~30 points Luxury goes 3-6, scores 17 points, drops to $3 price Luxury just moved to KTF, and had a lot of hype surrounding this trade. He immediately disappoints all his fantasy owners. FPL2: Luxury Price: $3, expected to score ~15 points Luxury goes 10-6, scores 30 points, jumps to $5 price Luxury is one of the biggest gainers and boosts several owners into the Top 10. FPL3: Luxury Price: $5, expected to score ~25 points Luxury goes 1-8, scores 7 points, drops to $1 price Luxury single handedly trainwrecks several hundred teams. Luxury's next season $1 price seems to low, and we want to adjust him higher, but he sucked SO much in FPL3 that we can't bring ourselves to boost him higher than $2. FPL4: Luxury Price: $2, expected to score ~10 points Luxury goes 4-2 with many team wins and streak/breaks, scores 23 points, jumps to $5 price Luxury Alternator Theory is born. Luxury will alternate values between good and bad every round. Unlucky owners have chosen wrong FOUR straight times on him, but now, finally, they know what to expect. He's just had a good season, so he's due for a bad one. Many owners put him on their anti team. FPL5: Luxury Price: $5, expected to score ~25 points Luxury goes 7-2, scores 34 pts, actually exceeding last round's projection (price to $6) In true Luxury fashion, he does the most inconsistent, unpredictable thing for Luxury: he suddenly becomes consistent, and screws over all the owners who picked him for Anti. Now, with KT rising and Luxury doing well two straight seasons, many owners pick him up. FPL6: Luxury Price: $6; expected to score ~30 points Luxury goes 1-4, scores 6 pts, ends at $1 trade value In a big "F U" to all his owners, Luxury quickly reverts to his old form. Even though KT went 7-4, Luxury still sucked. Luxury Chaos Theory is born. Theorum states that Luxury performance cannot be predicted or compensated for. No matter what you do, he will score the opposite of what you predict. To save headaches and time, Fantasy creators will perpetually price him at $5. FPL7: Price: Luxury Price: $5, expected to score ~25 points Luxury goes ?? Don't know what you're exactly looking for in the performance in the previous season, but trade value goes up and down depending on the performance. The trade value is linked with initial worth and gauges how much the players are worth during the run. Hence, if a player is over performing (or simply getting better), the price will go up, etc. etc. | ||
gen.Sun
United States539 Posts
On April 19 2011 06:05 Phelix wrote: Picnic Garden Main Team 1 Tempest 3 BeSt 1 Canata 5 free 9 Stork (captain) 8 ZerO 3 Samsung Anti Team 5 Horang2 5 Jaehoon 3 Saint Stork was an obvious choice for me as captain, since he is the cheapest of the TBLS. With Winners League being over, BeSt will be relegated to map sniping, which bodes well for him, as his strong PvT and PvP will take over. Canata was just a fanboy pick, after all, I am his #1 fan. ZerO is the crutch of Woongjin, success or failure depends on him even though Woongjin has a deep lineup. Tempest for KT win points. I think free will do well in this format as well; he seems to be the RoRo/Shine of this season, many will put him on anti, many will put him on main, and he will tend to screw up both sides. I hope for the anti-free fans to regret putting free on their antis. Anti-team seems simple for me, I feel that Horang2 won't be successful, Jaehoon will be Jaehoon, and Saint won't get much playing time or lose. Dude canata is not going to be playing, he's going to ace but haven't been put on their roster yet | ||
legaton
France1763 Posts
Main Team 4 Crazy-Hydra 2 Grape 5 Horang2 11 Jaedong (captain) 3 Reality 1 sHy 4 Hwaseung Anti Team 2 BarrackS 5 Jaehoon 6 Killer Well, i chose OZ and Jaedong beause i'm a die-hard fanboy, but with just 15 points left, i went for cheap good players. I chose SHy because i think he has the talent to become the best protoss in Oz, and he's certainly better than Pefectman. Also, a 40% wins player for just one unit is a real deal. I took Grape because he's quite good, but not formidable. It seems to me there's quite a bunch of good young protosses, none of them S-code material, but they will be very good A-teamers. but he's the second best protoss at Samsung Khan and he has a great teacher. With Stork going on a little slump, i think he could become even more important for them. Crazy-Hydra was a close call. I actually wanted to take Action, but i didn't had enough money... still, Action is as irregular as Crazy-Hydra seems to be, and i believe he has some talent (the nice all-kill certainly counts). The roster of KT is terribly small, so i'm pretty sure he's going to have a lot of play time. Horang2 is an all around solid player, with good mechanics. He's not really impressive, but for just 5 points, he's a good deal. Well, and here i'm with just 3 points and not erran players. That let me with Skyhigh, a good terran on a terrible slump, Sand two terrans that are not even sure to play. I took Reality because he's younger and seems more talented (and he also beat Ssak recently). For my anti-team, i took BarrackS because h's not going to see playtime, and if he does, he will lose terribly. But then, i realize Jaehoon was valued at 5 points (!) and Killer at 6 points. They are actually worst than s2 and Roro. | ||
aimaimaim
Philippines2167 Posts
and don't forget, s2 made T1 won the winner's league. and these guys are going to be fielded all the time, try to pick players who's gonna be least picked! :D Like C-H for example | ||
mizU
United States12125 Posts
On April 19 2011 10:47 aimaimaim wrote: Never diss Roro and Jaehoon .. and don't forget, s2 made T1 won the winner's league. and these guys are going to be fielded all the time, try to pick players who's gonna be least picked! :D Like C-H for example For anti-teams, you mean? Who would put s2 on their anti? O.o | ||
]343[
United States10328 Posts
On April 19 2011 10:32 legaton wrote:But then, i realize Jaehoon was valued at 5 points (!) and Killer at 6 points. They are actually worst than s2 and Roro. Harem should be onto you soon. | ||
xxpack09
United States2160 Posts
On April 19 2011 10:32 legaton wrote: Dongtastic Stars Main Team 4 Crazy-Hydra 2 Grape 5 Horang2 11 Jaedong (captain) 3 Reality 1 sHy 4 Hwaseung Anti Team 2 BarrackS 5 Jaehoon 6 Killer For my anti-team, i took BarrackS because h's not going to see playtime, and if he does, he will lose terribly. But then, i realize Jaehoon was valued at 5 points (!) and Killer at 6 points. They are actually worst than s2 and Roro. Yeah good luck with that antiteam LOLOLOLOL Jaehoon and Killer will get WAY more points than s2/Roro... | ||
Release
United States4397 Posts
Main Team 6 Calm 4 firebathero 3 Midas 5 Mind 5 Movie (captain) 3 Shine 4 KT Anti Team 4 great 6 Light 3 Ssak First of all, i've always felt that KT was an imba team, and that an ace match situation is a gaunteed win. This may not prove worthy but I love the shit out of Movie despite his mediocre stats. Calm just 2-0'd his MSL group Firebathero will pretty much be a garunteed play on ACE, and he's been doing well Midas was cheap, and he plays far better than most of the other 3's mind 2-0'd his MSL group after a win against Stork I also love shine the same way i love movie, just not quite as much. Great just failed to get out of his MSL group, and was Overpriced. There's always a possibility of Light facing a protoss. Ssak, well, he's ssak. | ||
mustaju
Estonia4504 Posts
On April 19 2011 11:03 mizU wrote: Show nested quote + On April 19 2011 10:47 aimaimaim wrote: Never diss Roro and Jaehoon .. and don't forget, s2 made T1 won the winner's league. and these guys are going to be fielded all the time, try to pick players who's gonna be least picked! :D Like C-H for example For anti-teams, you mean? Who would put s2 on their anti? O.o People who hate his guts, realize he's a SKT Zerg and thus horrible, and pretty much everyone who sees that his prize is 5 points. | ||
stafu
Australia1196 Posts
Main Team 1 BackHo 3 BeSt 4 firebathero 12 Flash (captain) 4 hero 6 Leta 0 Air Force Anti Team 4 ggaemo 5 Jaehoon 4 Turn User was warned for this post | ||
jalstar
United States8198 Posts
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AnyOne
Chile547 Posts
i want to be top 10 again | ||
AnyOne
Chile547 Posts
Main Team 6 HiyA 6 Killer (captain) 5 Mind 5 Movie 1 RuBy 3 Ssak 4 KT Anti Team 2 Grape 5 HyuN 6 RorO i went for cheap players, first i thought "well flash, bisu or jaedong?" but those players are good for WL when they can all kill the other team so i didnt pick any of them Hiya as been always a deadly god in PL and i have a lot of faith in Mind/Movie/Killer Ruby and Ssak were cheap and i think they can do good GO nR TEAM! | ||
Taekwon
United States8155 Posts
but i guess im just lazy | ||
Release
United States4397 Posts
On April 19 2011 14:24 AnyOne wrote: nR TeaM~ Main Team 6 HiyA 6 Killer (captain) 5 Mind 5 Movie 1 RuBy 3 Ssak 4 KT Anti Team 2 Grape 5 HyuN 6 RorO i went for cheap players, first i thought "well flash, bisu or jaedong?" but those players are good for WL when they can all kill the other team so i didnt pick any of them Hiya as been always a deadly god in PL and i have a lot of faith in Mind/Movie/Killer Ruby and Ssak were cheap and i think they can do good GO nR TEAM! correct me if I'm wrong but i thought Hiya went 2-17 in PL | ||
aimaimaim
Philippines2167 Posts
On April 19 2011 14:45 Release wrote: Show nested quote + On April 19 2011 14:24 AnyOne wrote: nR TeaM~ Main Team 6 HiyA 6 Killer (captain) 5 Mind 5 Movie 1 RuBy 3 Ssak 4 KT Anti Team 2 Grape 5 HyuN 6 RorO i went for cheap players, first i thought "well flash, bisu or jaedong?" but those players are good for WL when they can all kill the other team so i didnt pick any of them Hiya as been always a deadly god in PL and i have a lot of faith in Mind/Movie/Killer Ruby and Ssak were cheap and i think they can do good GO nR TEAM! correct me if I'm wrong but i thought Hiya went 2-17 in PL Hiya's score in R1 and R2 in 10-11 PL not including the WL Yup .. really really deadly :D Oh yeah I was wondering if we can join groups now?? I forgot about this feature during the previous FPL season, now I totally forgot when can we join/make funny groups like I-hate-Bisu-but-I-have-him-on-my-team group. | ||
casualman
United States1198 Posts
Main Team 4 Crazy-Hydra 4 firebathero 4 ggaemo 6 Light 5 Movie (captain) 5 Mind 2 WeMade Anti Team 3 By.Sun 4 Jangbi 6 Killer Thought Process: CH: Has proven that he can flex some muscle, even getting an AK in WL. For 4 points he's pretty undervalued, though this may be due to his recent team switch I believe given a couple of weeks to recuperate he'll return to his normal level of contribution. FBH: Has been doing really well recently. ACE has to field him because they only have one other semi-decent player ggaemo, so we can expect some decent playing--and winning--time for FBH. ggaemo: Really the only person on ACE who actually wins games with any semblance of consistency. ACE depends on him, so we can see ggaemo picking up consistent wins in PL and a couple of 2 kills in WL as he has done so far. At 4 points this isn't a bargain, but is still definitely worth the investment. Light: Hasn't been on form recently. Has crazy potential for AKs but is slumping recently. Hopefully the change of air for him moving to Woongjin will help him move on. Don't think WJ would've acquired him just to let him warm the benches. Movie: Has the potential. Some say he only has two matchups that favor him but he went on a sick killing spree in WL for a while and I believe that he's got great prospects ahead of him. This is the gamble. Mind: s2 does well at 5 points but is too common of a pick. Mind's been playing well and will receive playing time, and win. FOX: They've got a potent roster. RorO, Shine, BaBy, and Mind all can take games off of anyone. Hopefully they'll have the consistency to do so regularly. Anti-Team: Jangbi: No. Not good. Some playing time, lots of losing. Killer: Overrated honestly. 6 points? He's not even that good and with a horrible ZvT to boot. By.Sun: Filler. Doesn't play, will lose. | ||
Dubsys
Australia122 Posts
Main Team 1 Anytime 6 Calm 8 Hydra (captain) 5 Movie 3 Shine 3 sKyHigh 4 Hwaseung Anti Team 5 Horang2 5 Jaehoon 6 Tyson User was warned for this post Sorry i was writing my analysis in edit, i'll just write it straight up in the future. I don't expect tyson, jaehoon or horang2 to do well this season, and i've never really heard much out of them either, so they're my antis My main team are just players i've always supported and liked, and expect to do well. | ||
Epithet
United States840 Posts
On April 19 2011 12:57 jalstar wrote: Under "more groups" join "no trades no TBLS" if you're willing to follow that challenge. No trading, Flash, Bisu, Jaedong, or Stork (on main or anti). I got 10th with the challenge on last season so it's not impossible. Just joined..this should be a fun challenge, haha. | ||
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