Check out the trailer below to see Danny Rand (Finn Jones) in action, alongside Colleen Wing (Jessica Henwick), Claire Temple (Rosario Dawson) and more.
Iron Fist debuts on March 17th
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karazax
United States3737 Posts
Check out the trailer below to see Danny Rand (Finn Jones) in action, alongside Colleen Wing (Jessica Henwick), Claire Temple (Rosario Dawson) and more. Iron Fist debuts on March 17th | ||
CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
Besides recycling the same atmosphere and aesthetic from Daredevil (would it kill them to use Aja's work on Immortal Iron Fist as a reference for the cinematography?), there's a tricky balancing act when it comes to portraying Danny Rand. Somehow he has to be both ineffably cool and self-consciously aware of his own ridiculousness as a concept. Too much of the former makes him the bland antihero without a personality, and too much of the latter turns him into a wish-fulfillment caricature. So far the trailer is desperately trying to make him the former and I'm not buying it. | ||
Complete
United States1864 Posts
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Leporello
United States2845 Posts
Luke Cage had some very stylistic directing and writing, with interesting flashbacks and scene-transitions, etc. I hoped this show would have a similar appreciation for style. With Kung-Fu mysticism as an aesthetic, I was hoping for something more like Kill Bill or Crouching Tiger, where disbelief is taken for granted and we're just given something fantastic to enjoy. Instead, the show often tries to be gritty like Daredevil. But instead of blindness and personal adversity creating believable conflict, we're given some guy who spouts fortune-cookie one-liners and fights his sworn enemies... It just doesn't feel right. It tries to sell this Kung-Fu mysticism with a little bit too much sincerity, when neither the writers nor the actor are really up to it. Likewise, the action tries for the realism of Daredevil while still being Kung-Fu, and it just ends up feeling unreal in a not-so-fun way. The redeeming factor is the supporting characters, and some of the plot they're given. The Meachum family is what the show actually stands on. It's not a terrible show, just not as entertaining as it could've been. | ||
lestye
United States4104 Posts
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
Colleen Wing is nice Rest of it kinda sucked, the fighting scenes seemed really bad as well. | ||
crappen
Norway1546 Posts
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Dingodile
4123 Posts
fighting scenes are not spectacular. I like that one drunk fighter :D, I hope they do a series with that drunk fighter. | ||
Complete
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Xarles
459 Posts
"“Well, here’s the situation,” he begins, explaining that he only had three weeks to train before filming. “Unfortunately, with the filming schedule, I wasn’t given as much time as I would have liked to continue the training.” Shooting for 12 or 14 hours a day took its toll. “I was learning those fight scenes just 15 minutes before we shot them, because that was the schedule... It would be 2am, 3am, I’d just done a long day of work, and usually the stunt department would come up and say ‘Hey, right, we’ve got this huge 30 person fight and you’ve got to learn it right now.’ So I was learning it on the spot, within 15-20 minutes, and then shooting it. That was the reality for six months.” www.telegraph.co.uk I don't really feel that the writers have a well-defined idea of who Danny Rand is supposed to be or who they want him to be as his character is kinda all over the place. And his background doesn't match his character either, in the sense of how he acts and reacts to things. Some of that would be how he talks about mastering his body, mind and emotions which gets followed up by him freaking out or losing himself in his anger. The decision to limit his Iron Fist usage that much was prolly not a good idea either, since (to me at least) it's like having Spider-Man barely use his webbing and run to crime scenes instead of websling his way there. The showrunner prolly should've given him a few more Iron Fist variations other than hardening his hand and super-strengthening it since we just got that from Luke Cage. And there are so many other cool things he could do with his Iron Fist in the comics, that could've made it more entertaining on the show. It's also hard to believe him as a top-notch Kung-Fu fighter when he struggles that much against random thugs, especially the ones that are nothing but brawlers. From time to time, they do show other moves than what we're typically used to in hollywood shows/movies, but there are so few of them. It doesn't help that there's so much cutting in the fight scenes as well. Personally, I think Iron Fist really could've hooked in a lot of viewers if they had managed to either give the lead actor way more time to train like Keanu Reeves for John Wick or just found a lead with a martial arts background in order to give Iron Fist a distinct visually awesome fighting style where you wouldn't have to do a lot of cutting, and so you could see that it was actually the lead doing the fighting and not the stunt double. On the plus side, I pretty much liked all the other characters more or less. @Dingodile: If Danny Rand stuck to drunken style, I would've been way more entertained by his fight scenes at least. Ep 1-2 + Show Spoiler + It really confused me in the start that he couldn't rid himself of the drugs in his system through the Iron Fist or some mystical K'un-Lun technique. So I was a bit "wow... that top-notch force of nature kung fu fighter sure went down quickly". I wasn't really sold on having a lead being taken down that quickly and that easily in the first episode. About Ep 13 final fight + Show Spoiler + Of all people he could've faced in this show as the final boss, he faces Harold... | ||
Jockmcplop
United Kingdom8727 Posts
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ETisME
12082 Posts
It was pretty underwhelming really, it just has too much of a standard comic book plot. Maybe the biggest issue for me is that Danny just isn't so like-able at times. + Show Spoiler + And their point about brain wash etc never felt like cleared up, because he still appears quite brain washed Ward Meachum character is probably the most interesting for me. I watched the show to see his character mostly. | ||
Musicus
Germany23567 Posts
I liked the idea and setting of Iron Fist tbh. But the fights were too much of a let down. I expected the best fights and kungfu out of any of the Netflix Marvel series, but compared to Daredevil the fights were just disappointing. I was looking forward to a lot more cool technique and finesse in the fight scenes. There was not a single intense fight scene that came close to the hallway or stairway fights from Daredevil or the 1v1 vs Nobu. I do like Danny Rand though, the actor is not bad and Colleen is definitely one of the cooler women in the universe they are building. Hopefully Finn Jones gets a lot more time, training and preparation for the Defenders and Iron Fist season 2. Edit: Definitely liked Ward Meachum in this btw and his character and turns were great, but I have to wonder + Show Spoiler + why does Joy want to kill Danny at the end? Doesn't seem to make sense to me. Oh and the iron fist itself seems rather boring, he should be able to do more stuff with it and use it more often. But I never read the comics, so I don't know what he could do or what to expect. Seemed underwhelming though. | ||
SKNielsen1989
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Daray
6006 Posts
Really not worth watching. | ||
thePunGun
598 Posts
The writing was sadly not as good as previous Marvel Netflix shows, but not as terrible as Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. imo. Pro Tip: Don't make a drinking game out of it! My gf and her bestie chugged one, whenever someone said "Iron Fist" /"The Hand". They were pretty much hammered after episode 4 and things got ugly after that... Luckily I've quit drinking, so I got to watch 2 women in their early 30's pukin their brains out for about an hour. | ||
Xarles
459 Posts
On March 20 2017 00:28 Musicus wrote: So disappoining to read that they were so sloppy with the martial arts. I liked the idea and setting of Iron Fist tbh. But the fights were too much of a let down. I expected the best fights and kungfu out of any of the Netflix Marvel series, but compared to Daredevil the fights were just disappointing. I was looking forward to a lot more cool technique and finesse in the fight scenes. There was not a single intense fight scene that came close to the hallway or stairway fights from Daredevil or the 1v1 vs Nobu. I do like Danny Rand though, the actor is not bad and Colleen is definitely one of the cooler women in the universe they are building. Hopefully Finn Jones gets a lot more time, training and preparation for the Defenders and Iron Fist season 2. Edit: Definitely liked Ward Meachum in this btw and his character and turns were great, but I have to wonder + Show Spoiler + why does Joy want to kill Danny at the end? Doesn't seem to make sense to me. Oh and the iron fist itself seems rather boring, he should be able to do more stuff with it and use it more often. But I never read the comics, so I don't know what he could do or what to expect. Seemed underwhelming though. It didn't make sense to me either. I've only read the Immortal Iron Fist volume, and you get to see some cool Iron Fist powers in it, like a sort of Jedi Mind Trick where the hand naturally glows as well as extending the Iron Fist power to arrows and guns to make them more powerful. The volume also show us glimpses of other Iron Fists in history, like Wu Ao-Shi the Pirate Queen of Pinghai Bay. Sorry man, but Iron Fist wrapped filming on 8th of October and Defenders started filming 3 weeks later. "Finn Jones took to Instagram to share a video where he reveals Iron Fist has wrapped just hours before their panel at NYCC. The video itself is the final bit of confirmation on production finishing for the series, and will give the tired star just about three weeks to gear up for his part in The Defenders." screenrant.com | ||
Musicus
Germany23567 Posts
On March 20 2017 05:07 Xarles wrote: Show nested quote + On March 20 2017 00:28 Musicus wrote: So disappoining to read that they were so sloppy with the martial arts. I liked the idea and setting of Iron Fist tbh. But the fights were too much of a let down. I expected the best fights and kungfu out of any of the Netflix Marvel series, but compared to Daredevil the fights were just disappointing. I was looking forward to a lot more cool technique and finesse in the fight scenes. There was not a single intense fight scene that came close to the hallway or stairway fights from Daredevil or the 1v1 vs Nobu. I do like Danny Rand though, the actor is not bad and Colleen is definitely one of the cooler women in the universe they are building. Hopefully Finn Jones gets a lot more time, training and preparation for the Defenders and Iron Fist season 2. Edit: Definitely liked Ward Meachum in this btw and his character and turns were great, but I have to wonder + Show Spoiler + why does Joy want to kill Danny at the end? Doesn't seem to make sense to me. Oh and the iron fist itself seems rather boring, he should be able to do more stuff with it and use it more often. But I never read the comics, so I don't know what he could do or what to expect. Seemed underwhelming though. It didn't make sense to me either. I've only read the Immortal Iron Fist volume, and you get to see some cool Iron Fist powers in it, like a sort of Jedi Mind Trick where the hand naturally glows as well as extending the Iron Fist power to arrows and guns to make them more powerful. The volume also show us glimpses of other Iron Fists in history, like Wu Ao-Shi the Pirate Queen of Pinghai Bay. Sorry man, but Iron Fist wrapped filming on 8th of October and Defenders started filming 3 weeks later. "Finn Jones took to Instagram to share a video where he reveals Iron Fist has wrapped just hours before their panel at NYCC. The video itself is the final bit of confirmation on production finishing for the series, and will give the tired star just about three weeks to gear up for his part in The Defenders." screenrant.com Too bad, so he didn't get a lot of time to improve. Maybe they at least took more time filming the whole thing. The comic stuff looks pretty interesting and augmenting weapons could be cool. I guess he did learn how to burn poison and healed Colleen, so hopefully they will develope his abilities more. | ||
lestye
United States4104 Posts
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Manit0u
Poland17046 Posts
On March 19 2017 21:12 Complete wrote: I wish the fighting scenes were more like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCFwwSq10aU They should definitely take some notes from this: Overall, this show was on par with Arrow (not bad, not something to write home about either), with quite similar story. It was really good to see Bunker again This actor definitely deserves more screen time in bigger productions. | ||
NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
On March 20 2017 06:31 lestye wrote: https://twitter.com/BrianJNorris/status/843172574272114688 Holy shit that's bad. | ||
Mafe
Germany5917 Posts
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom8727 Posts
On March 20 2017 07:55 Mafe wrote: Happened to encounter a trailer for this show. Basically, mix of dark knight and iron man 1 storyline, but without the fancy costumes? Add in the flavour of extremely cliche eastern philosophy with zero depth, terrible acting, direction, martial arts choreography and writing, and you've got it. | ||
-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On March 20 2017 08:21 Jockmcplop wrote: Show nested quote + On March 20 2017 07:55 Mafe wrote: Happened to encounter a trailer for this show. Basically, mix of dark knight and iron man 1 storyline, but without the fancy costumes? Add in the flavour of extremely cliche eastern philosophy with zero depth, terrible acting, direction, martial arts choreography and writing, and you've got it. You are overdoing it with your hate. Writing is OK for main character, pretty good for many others. Acting is also good. Main problem is lack of really good fighting scenes. | ||
Jockmcplop
United Kingdom8727 Posts
However, it is unremarkable (terrible was probably overdoing) in every single way. Finn was unable to do basic martial arts, due to awful planning leaving him no time to train, and being asked to do fight scenes with no rehearsal at 15 minutes notice (?). The writing was very shallow, although a couple of the characters were ok. I like Ward's arc. My main problem with this show is that it was supposed to be the martial arts one with a martial arts master, and the fight choerography was poor and the main lead (martial arts master) looked far less comfortable fighting than any of the other people fighting. I would give the whole thing 5/10. It was entertaining enough but shallow and poorly executed. | ||
crappen
Norway1546 Posts
On March 20 2017 09:03 -Archangel- wrote: Show nested quote + On March 20 2017 08:21 Jockmcplop wrote: On March 20 2017 07:55 Mafe wrote: Happened to encounter a trailer for this show. Basically, mix of dark knight and iron man 1 storyline, but without the fancy costumes? Add in the flavour of extremely cliche eastern philosophy with zero depth, terrible acting, direction, martial arts choreography and writing, and you've got it. You are overdoing it with your hate. Writing is OK for main character, pretty good for many others. Acting is also good. Main problem is lack of really good fighting scenes. What he wrote is an understatement for me. I guess it's what you expect. It's like Pacific Rim, people hated it, cause they expected atleast some story/writing, I expected cool monsters and jaegers, and so for me that film is absolutely brilliant, while the story only got you from fight A to B. Problem with IF, is that it's not really good at anything, and since I expected some cool fighting it's not worth watching. | ||
N0
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On March 20 2017 21:46 crappen wrote: Show nested quote + On March 20 2017 09:03 -Archangel- wrote: On March 20 2017 08:21 Jockmcplop wrote: On March 20 2017 07:55 Mafe wrote: Happened to encounter a trailer for this show. Basically, mix of dark knight and iron man 1 storyline, but without the fancy costumes? Add in the flavour of extremely cliche eastern philosophy with zero depth, terrible acting, direction, martial arts choreography and writing, and you've got it. You are overdoing it with your hate. Writing is OK for main character, pretty good for many others. Acting is also good. Main problem is lack of really good fighting scenes. What he wrote is an understatement for me. I guess it's what you expect. It's like Pacific Rim, people hated it, cause they expected atleast some story/writing, I expected cool monsters and jaegers, and so for me that film is absolutely brilliant, while the story only got you from fight A to B. Problem with IF, is that it's not really good at anything, and since I expected some cool fighting it's not worth watching. I could not make it through the first episode. It was aggressively uninteresting. | ||
aRyuujin
United States5049 Posts
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
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N0
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On March 20 2017 21:46 crappen wrote: Show nested quote + On March 20 2017 09:03 -Archangel- wrote: On March 20 2017 08:21 Jockmcplop wrote: On March 20 2017 07:55 Mafe wrote: Happened to encounter a trailer for this show. Basically, mix of dark knight and iron man 1 storyline, but without the fancy costumes? Add in the flavour of extremely cliche eastern philosophy with zero depth, terrible acting, direction, martial arts choreography and writing, and you've got it. You are overdoing it with your hate. Writing is OK for main character, pretty good for many others. Acting is also good. Main problem is lack of really good fighting scenes. What he wrote is an understatement for me. I guess it's what you expect. It's like Pacific Rim, people hated it, cause they expected atleast some story/writing, I expected cool monsters and jaegers, and so for me that film is absolutely brilliant, while the story only got you from fight A to B. Problem with IF, is that it's not really good at anything, and since I expected some cool fighting it's not worth watching. I also expected better fighting but what I got was at least better story and acting then Arrow, Flash and those shows. Also I read few of the first issues of Iron Fist comic today to compare and his fighting skills kind of suck there as well :D | ||
Jockmcplop
United Kingdom8727 Posts
On March 21 2017 04:41 Chairman Ray wrote: Im through the 3rd episode and having trouble finishing it. The dialog and plotline feel uninspiring and forced. Bit of a nitpick, but I don't think the main actor has ever done martial arts before. Does it eventually get better? Its not a nitpick, its an essential part of the who project that has been fucked up. I feel a bit 'entitled' moaning about it, we've had so many good Marvel shows, but this one's a mess. They should have gone for an actor with more time to train and taken the fight scenes more seriously, they are shit. | ||
Godwrath
Spain10091 Posts
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Manit0u
Poland17046 Posts
On March 21 2017 06:08 Godwrath wrote: Well, i watched the first 3 episodes and i enjoyed it. It's not as terrible as Luke cage atleast. Luke Cage was OK. | ||
Elerris
Australia137 Posts
For someone that was the 'chosen one', studied under warrior monks for 15 years and was meant to be some kind of master, watching him get beat around by regular thugs was really annoying. Additionally it seemed like he had never seen the iron fist before, every time he used his power he would just look at his fist like 'OOoo, what's this?'. Also, I think I'm really worn out on the whole identity crisis right/wrong internal battle that always goes on in these shows, the whole killing is right/wrong thing is honestly just overplayed and exhausting. idk like a 5/10 for me. I really hope the Punisher TV series doesn't follow the same route, but based off the other hero series I'd say things are looking bleak. | ||
Dav1oN
Ukraine3159 Posts
On March 21 2017 16:41 Elerris wrote: the whole killing is right/wrong thing is honestly just overplayed and exhausting. that is a problem of any modern TV show except for Expansion and GoT probably | ||
imJealous
United States1382 Posts
I enjoyed Iron Fist, though it certainly isn't anything on par with what they've done during Daredevil season 1 and 2, even though it is very similar in terms of story and content. I think it would certainly have helped the show stand out on its own more if they had stuck to more stylized or tongue in check style fighting scenes like the elevator fight early in the season and the drunken master scene toward the end. I personally enjoy the supernatural story elements mixed into a realistic world that they have been doing with the Hand in Daredevil and this show directly expanded upon that lore, which was a selling point for me. As someone fairly new to Iron Fist/Danny Rand as a character (I've never read any of his books, only seen him in Avengers ensemble stuff) I liked how they slow-revealed his backstory and powers throughout the season. The side characters were fantastic, especially all the transitions Ward goes through throughout the course of the season. All and all if someone asks me if its worth watching I'd definitely tell them it is, but its not a must see. | ||
imJealous
United States1382 Posts
On March 20 2017 00:28 Musicus wrote: Edit: Definitely liked Ward Meachum in this btw and his character and turns were great, but I have to wonder + Show Spoiler + why does Joy want to kill Danny at the end? Doesn't seem to make sense to me. + Show Spoiler + Joy doesn't understand everything that Ward, Danny, and we as an audience know about Harold. In her point of view (which was warped and shaped by Harold), her father is an innocent victim. In her eyes Danny and Ward conspired to keep him away from her and then murdered him when they could no longer control him. | ||
Velr
Switzerland10416 Posts
On March 21 2017 12:31 Manit0u wrote: Show nested quote + On March 21 2017 06:08 Godwrath wrote: Well, i watched the first 3 episodes and i enjoyed it. It's not as terrible as Luke cage atleast. Luke Cage was OK. Luke Cage would be fine, if not for the "i don't wanna be a hero but a male cleaning lady" part that went on WAY too long... The amount of reason/motivation Cage needed was just absurd. | ||
thePunGun
598 Posts
I enjoyed Iron Fist, though it certainly isn't anything on par with what they've done during Daredevil season 1 and 2, even though it is very similar in terms of story and content. The main reason for that is DD season 1 and 2's storylines were based on great stories to begin with. Most of them written by Frank Miller, who redefined the genre back in the 80s. Iron Fist and Luke Cage on the other hand are based on cheesy 70s origin stories... The writers did a decent job, it's not gold but still enjoyable imo. | ||
N0
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brian
United States9531 Posts
I'm only two episodes into Iron Fist i think, but overall i've enjoyed it. it's TREMENDOUSLY slow. but i'm still not bored watching it? but it's slowness means i'm only watching one episode at a time. this series is just straight not binge-worthy for me. but like i said, it's still better than Jessica Jones. i don't get the criticism for Finn Jones' acting. he seems pretty good so far. personally i don't put any stock in fight scene choreography, it's just not my thing. but i get it. it's definitely a little less flashy/looks less convincing. but that aside i think Danny is a well-acted character. will certainly be watching more. | ||
Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
It's pretty bad. And that really, really bums me out, mostly because I feel bad for Finn Jones. Dude's a pretty good actor, but the material he's given... both in Game of Thrones and in Iron Fist, ouch. The writing on this show is incredibly inconsistent. The dialogue goes from acceptable to down right terrible. There's too many examples to list really, but yeah, the dialogue took me out of watching the show in more than one episode. The fight choreography, of course, is bad. It's even worse when you compare it to Daredevil, which set the standard very high. Thing is, I would even rank this show below Luke Cage, which I thought was mediocre. But at least, Luke Cage captivated me through the first half and up until episode 7 or 8. It's the second half that's absolutely horrible, with loads of corny dialogue and a forgettable, subpar villain. Iron Fist is worse though. There's very few redeemable qualities. Ward carries the show, that's about it. I also liked Harold to be honest, but he also got off the rails a bit. His character was still interesting. Anyway... I'm hoping they replace the writers for season 2, and allow for Finn Jones to train more. Plus better choreography. I remain hopeful they can salvage it somewhat. | ||
Darpa
Canada4413 Posts
I mean the only cristism is the fighting scenes are sub par compared to daredevil. But the general story and dynamic i thought was interesting and there are lots of good characters. I certainly enjoyed it more than jessica jones... which i thought was a snooze. | ||
-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On March 22 2017 21:40 Spaylz wrote: Watched the whole show in a few days. It's pretty bad. And that really, really bums me out, mostly because I feel bad for Finn Jones. Dude's a pretty good actor, but the material he's given... both in Game of Thrones and in Iron Fist, ouch. The writing on this show is incredibly inconsistent. The dialogue goes from acceptable to down right terrible. There's too many examples to list really, but yeah, the dialogue took me out of watching the show in more than one episode. The fight choreography, of course, is bad. It's even worse when you compare it to Daredevil, which set the standard very high. Thing is, I would even rank this show below Luke Cage, which I thought was mediocre. But at least, Luke Cage captivated me through the first half and up until episode 7 or 8. It's the second half that's absolutely horrible, with loads of corny dialogue and a forgettable, subpar villain. Iron Fist is worse though. There's very few redeemable qualities. Ward carries the show, that's about it. I also liked Harold to be honest, but he also got off the rails a bit. His character was still interesting. Anyway... I'm hoping they replace the writers for season 2, and allow for Finn Jones to train more. Plus better choreography. I remain hopeful they can salvage it somewhat. Come on. Gao was awesome in every scene she showed up. | ||
Pulimuli
Sweden2766 Posts
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On March 23 2017 07:36 Pulimuli wrote: i fail to understand how the 3 biggest shareholders can be "voted out" of the company tho? Can still be the 3 biggest individual shareholders and not have a majority when combined. Like 10% is bigger than 1%, but three 10%s are not bigger than seventy 1%s. | ||
-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On March 24 2017 06:37 WolfintheSheep wrote: Show nested quote + On March 23 2017 07:36 Pulimuli wrote: i fail to understand how the 3 biggest shareholders can be "voted out" of the company tho? Can still be the 3 biggest individual shareholders and not have a majority when combined. Like 10% is bigger than 1%, but three 10%s are not bigger than seventy 1%s. Danny alone has 51%. And they were not voted out of the company, just out of the controlling board. They still own most stocks. They can probably do something with that long term. | ||
WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On March 24 2017 07:01 -Archangel- wrote: Show nested quote + On March 24 2017 06:37 WolfintheSheep wrote: On March 23 2017 07:36 Pulimuli wrote: i fail to understand how the 3 biggest shareholders can be "voted out" of the company tho? Can still be the 3 biggest individual shareholders and not have a majority when combined. Like 10% is bigger than 1%, but three 10%s are not bigger than seventy 1%s. Danny alone has 51%. And they were not voted out of the company, just out of the controlling board. They still own most stocks. They can probably do something with that long term. Okay that's just silly then. | ||
-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On March 24 2017 07:02 WolfintheSheep wrote: Show nested quote + On March 24 2017 07:01 -Archangel- wrote: On March 24 2017 06:37 WolfintheSheep wrote: On March 23 2017 07:36 Pulimuli wrote: i fail to understand how the 3 biggest shareholders can be "voted out" of the company tho? Can still be the 3 biggest individual shareholders and not have a majority when combined. Like 10% is bigger than 1%, but three 10%s are not bigger than seventy 1%s. Danny alone has 51%. And they were not voted out of the company, just out of the controlling board. They still own most stocks. They can probably do something with that long term. Okay that's just silly then. Depending how that company works. Maybe stockholders don't get to decide who is on the board of directors but only the board itself does that. | ||
thePunGun
598 Posts
and since Danny the biggest shareholder was not present (even though he probably was invited), the Meachum siblings* were voted off by the majority of the board. *Fun fact: Ward is Harold's brother/Joy's uncle in the comics. The story works way better with them being siblings on the show though, at least in my humble opnion. | ||
ThomasjServo
15244 Posts
The ideas of cities of heaven reminded me of Diablo 2, so I'm going to pick up a couple volumes of Iron Fist and see how the books read. | ||
DickMcFanny
Ireland1076 Posts
Luke Cage was a great show about a boring ass hero, it was watchable because of the great acting and greater music, but this seems to be scraping the bottom of the barrel in both the quality of the show and the hero. | ||
Xarles
459 Posts
On March 24 2017 19:59 ThomasjServo wrote: I liked it well enough, it occupied time. I think like other people have said here it stunk of its time a bit. Honestly I am more interested in the comic now than the show. The ideas of cities of heaven reminded me of Diablo 2, so I'm going to pick up a couple volumes of Iron Fist and see how the books read. You should consider the Immortal Iron Fist volume, as the second arc deals with Danny Rand returning to K'un-Lun and interacting with the other Immortal Weapons. | ||
ThomasjServo
15244 Posts
On March 25 2017 00:02 Xarles wrote: Show nested quote + On March 24 2017 19:59 ThomasjServo wrote: I liked it well enough, it occupied time. I think like other people have said here it stunk of its time a bit. Honestly I am more interested in the comic now than the show. The ideas of cities of heaven reminded me of Diablo 2, so I'm going to pick up a couple volumes of Iron Fist and see how the books read. You should consider the Immortal Iron Fist volume, as the second arc deals with Danny Rand returning to K'un-Lun and interacting with the other Immortal Weapons. That is what I was looking at, been checking my library for it. Should be a fun read. | ||
Race Bannon
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Darpa
Canada4413 Posts
On March 24 2017 07:12 -Archangel- wrote: Show nested quote + On March 24 2017 07:02 WolfintheSheep wrote: On March 24 2017 07:01 -Archangel- wrote: On March 24 2017 06:37 WolfintheSheep wrote: On March 23 2017 07:36 Pulimuli wrote: i fail to understand how the 3 biggest shareholders can be "voted out" of the company tho? Can still be the 3 biggest individual shareholders and not have a majority when combined. Like 10% is bigger than 1%, but three 10%s are not bigger than seventy 1%s. Danny alone has 51%. And they were not voted out of the company, just out of the controlling board. They still own most stocks. They can probably do something with that long term. Okay that's just silly then. Depending how that company works. Maybe stockholders don't get to decide who is on the board of directors but only the board itself does that. Not really, any publicly traded company votes on board members unless you have non voting shares... which are only really preferred shares... which they wouldnt own if they owned the company. . So if they owned the majority of the shares they could just vote themselves back in at the next shareholder meeting as a proposal. In fact im pretty sure they could have just blocked it at the outset. There is literally 0 way to force people off the board who own the controlling interest in the company beyond a court order for something crazy. What the show does is make board membership and their jobs synonymous ,i.e. canned them as executives. Which means they wont be running the day to day operations of the company. They would still be board members if they decided too make an issue out of it. | ||
Spyridon
United States997 Posts
On March 24 2017 21:36 DickMcFanny wrote: This entire show didn't leave any impression at all on me. I saw it all over the course of a week and I couldn't bring myself to pay any attention to it. Are there no interesting Marvel Heroes left? Luke Cage was a great show about a boring ass hero, it was watchable because of the great acting and greater music, but this seems to be scraping the bottom of the barrel in both the quality of the show and the hero. I believe the first half of Luke Cage was great, but the 2nd half was horrible. Diamondback had absolutely no qualities that made him a sufficient villain. He was campy as hell, he was not intimidating, he was not entertaining, his fight scenes were the worst ones in the entire show, and the whole mech suit thing was beyond retarded. He was not sufficiently developed, and he was a "token villain" - meaning there was no gray area's. The best villains are the ones who have gray area's and you can relate to in some sort of way. (For example, Fisk in DD, or Cottonmouth in the first half of LC seemed like they were approaching that kind of character development, but then the "plot twist"... I believe first half of LC was better than IF, but IF was far better than 2nd half of LC. The rest sounds, to me, like you weren't really familiar with Iron Fist (or Luke Cage) in the first place. Because he acted quite like the character. It's easy to mistake it for bad acting if you aren't familiar with the character. And if you were familiar, you likely wouldn't think of them as "boring" heroes. | ||
karazax
United States3737 Posts
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On March 28 2017 08:06 Spyridon wrote: Show nested quote + On March 24 2017 21:36 DickMcFanny wrote: This entire show didn't leave any impression at all on me. I saw it all over the course of a week and I couldn't bring myself to pay any attention to it. Are there no interesting Marvel Heroes left? Luke Cage was a great show about a boring ass hero, it was watchable because of the great acting and greater music, but this seems to be scraping the bottom of the barrel in both the quality of the show and the hero. I believe the first half of Luke Cage was great, but the 2nd half was horrible. Diamondback had absolutely no qualities that made him a sufficient villain. He was campy as hell, he was not intimidating, he was not entertaining, his fight scenes were the worst ones in the entire show, and the whole mech suit thing was beyond retarded. He was not sufficiently developed, and he was a "token villain" - meaning there was no gray area's. The best villains are the ones who have gray area's and you can relate to in some sort of way. (For example, Fisk in DD, or Cottonmouth in the first half of LC seemed like they were approaching that kind of character development, but then the "plot twist"... I believe first half of LC was better than IF, but IF was far better than 2nd half of LC. The rest sounds, to me, like you weren't really familiar with Iron Fist (or Luke Cage) in the first place. Because he acted quite like the character. It's easy to mistake it for bad acting if you aren't familiar with the character. And if you were familiar, you likely wouldn't think of them as "boring" heroes. I agree, Diamondback was a pretty weak character. He would have worked better as a secret weapon of Cottonmouth to take down LC in last episode than as a villain himself. | ||
PoP
France15446 Posts
Marvel's shows are essentially getting worse and worse, I'd rate them as follows: Daredevil S1 >> Daredevil S2 >>> Jessica Jones >>>>> Luke Cage >>> Iron Fist (excluding Legion, which is different and not pure Marvel but is an absolute masterpiece, though not for everyone) | ||
Dav1oN
Ukraine3159 Posts
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Zambrah
United States6831 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41092 Posts
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