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On August 27 2013 01:15 Plansix wrote: And this is why sponsors are important, it doesn't matter what you win if you can't pay your players or the rent. Its not really the teams fault, since they had one sponsor, who's name was on the team, but it shows how dependent they are on that one sponsor. Huge bummer, but it sounds like the players will find homes at other teams.
That's how Kespa teams work tho. They don't go after multiple sponsors each. They just all represent Kespa.
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On August 27 2013 01:23 Noocta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2013 01:15 Plansix wrote: And this is why sponsors are important, it doesn't matter what you win if you can't pay your players or the rent. Its not really the teams fault, since they had one sponsor, who's name was on the team, but it shows how dependent they are on that one sponsor. Huge bummer, but it sounds like the players will find homes at other teams. That's how Kespa teams work tho. They don't go after multiple sponsors each. They just all represent Kespa. Yeah, that is a huge bummer for those teams, because they are totally dependent on that sponsor keeping up their support. Its a good system and has worked out for all this time, but this is one of the flaws. I can see why some Korean players would want to go to a foreign team like EG, that isn't solely dependent on one sponsor.
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On August 27 2013 00:25 Whatson wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2013 00:13 StarStruck wrote:On August 27 2013 00:09 Assirra wrote:On August 26 2013 20:41 DarkLordOlli wrote:On August 26 2013 20:37 lichter wrote: This basically means that something will happen with Proleague. I guess that CJ Entus message on their fb account about something GSTL related might be true as well What did that message say? On August 26 2013 20:39 czaku wrote:On August 26 2013 20:35 Ensue wrote:On August 26 2013 20:28 Kronen wrote: If innovation goes to acer, plz plz can we have a AcerEGTL SPL team :D? Yeah but if STX disbands, wouldn't we need another team in proleague anyway? Axiom-Acer could play PL, but Scarlett already tweeted that they will attend GSTL. EGTL as they are now definitely have what it takes to play in PL in my opinion. They've been nothing but improving and dominating tournaments. Unless they make a 180turn the chances of EGTL in proleague are close to nil. EG making a new teamleague in the west and Coach park leaving the team. If you thought before they didn't care enough about proleague, what about now then. They already had the EG Masters Cup though, which in my opinion was a much better format. I don't follow the ATC and their crap for a reason even though they have a lot more teams in it. I really don't care for joke leagues. Joke league? Care to explain?
ATC format (players allowed playing more than once even if they lose); all the snafus during the league (having joint/joke teams, problems with admins after teams disbanding and not being able to recruit)? There were all sorts of issues I heard about with regards to the ATC. I never watched any of it. Now with the EG Masters Tournament I did watch some of it. The original format was pretty identical to that of the WGTour Clan League, which I was very fond of and competed in. I liked the format and ofc there are always things you can do better but I did tune in for some of it. The new format is something I don't care for and it's very reminiscent of the ATC. The times aren't set in stone, all sorts of problems with the website (I read a lot of critique on it). It's just something I have no interest in.
On August 27 2013 01:09 zephiK wrote: I wonder what made INnoVation go to Acer instead of EGTL of some sort. Either way, if EG isn't taking INnoVation, at least take STX SouL Dear. He shows a lot of potential and has some solid rankings
Alex has already posted his criteria when it comes to selecting which players he targets. Marketing & PR is a huge part of it; he wants content, so I'm not surprised he would pass on Bogus. With that said, I am a firm believer in being able to market anything with proper content and highlighting their strengths. I can come up with all sorts of commercial ideas and content for Bogus that would be a riot with the fans. If he doesn't see the dollar signs in it. No problem.
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On August 27 2013 01:06 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2013 01:03 renaissanceMAN wrote: This is bad news for the Robot Terran. Nothing outside of a few ESF teams (ST, IM, MVP) has produced the same kind of training regimen that the KeSPA teams have thrived on, if he does move to a foreign team, I'm going to be surprised if we ever see the same kind of results that we've seen from Innovation thus far. To be fair, his results were backed by hellbat drops (that easily free'd him(with his level of execution) from all the troubles usual TvT and TvP has) and his insane TvZ. Now, that WCS Korea has really low amount of zergs, and i doubt we shall see more than 4 zergs in Ro16, and his TvT and TvP being lackluster (compared to, obviously) he would not win this GSL for sure, even with that practice regimen KeSPA had.
Name another Terran during that same period that wasn't using hellbat drops, and still managed to go deep into tournaments/win. A single unit didn't create his dominance for him.
His TvT may be in some question (since he's lost however many of the last TvT's he's played) but his TvP is still relatively solid as far as I'm concerned. A 2-0 loss to Naniwa doesn't mean that his TvP is bad, in both games he was over-aggressive and Naniwa followed up perfectly; he didn't do anything wrong leading up to those points where he over-extended.
Personally I think most of it relies on nerves/stamina. He wasn't the same Innovation after that 2-1 loss to Taeja. Taeja wore him out. All Taeja had to do for the next series was defend two cheeses from duckdeok.
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Hey please make it clear for me Was that fomos source not official and just a speculation from community and so on ? From what i saw on fomos it's just a forum post :o
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On August 27 2013 01:32 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2013 01:09 zephiK wrote: I wonder what made INnoVation go to Acer instead of EGTL of some sort. Either way, if EG isn't taking INnoVation, at least take STX SouL Dear. He shows a lot of potential and has some solid rankings Alex has already posted his criteria when it comes to selecting which players he targets. Marketing & PR is a huge part of it; he wants content, so I'm not surprised he would pass on Bogus. With that said, I am a firm believer in being able to market anything with proper content and highlighting their strengths. I can come up with all sorts of commercial ideas and content for Bogus that would be a riot with the fans. If he doesn't see the dollar signs in it. No problem.
The problem with players like Innovation is that their marketability is usually based on their performance, and you're paying top dollar for someone who needs time to be associated with your team.
Compare that to players like Oz, Alive or Revival where EG could pick them up for a relatively cheap investment and then grow their EG connection along with their performance. When, say, Alive's contract is up for renewal, he can probably ask for a much higher price because of his WCS/team league performance, and EG would be much happier paying it since he's been well established as "EG.Alive" in the last year.
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STX CORP sounds really cool, its like something from a terminator movie !!!!
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SPL will not be the same without them...
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How could I have missed this piece of news... =/ I feel so empty after just being able to see them grab the PL trophy. Super happy just a few weeks back, and now so sad. Dark times..
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Russian Federation40169 Posts
On August 27 2013 01:54 renaissanceMAN wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2013 01:06 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 27 2013 01:03 renaissanceMAN wrote: This is bad news for the Robot Terran. Nothing outside of a few ESF teams (ST, IM, MVP) has produced the same kind of training regimen that the KeSPA teams have thrived on, if he does move to a foreign team, I'm going to be surprised if we ever see the same kind of results that we've seen from Innovation thus far. To be fair, his results were backed by hellbat drops (that easily free'd him(with his level of execution) from all the troubles usual TvT and TvP has) and his insane TvZ. Now, that WCS Korea has really low amount of zergs, and i doubt we shall see more than 4 zergs in Ro16, and his TvT and TvP being lackluster (compared to, obviously) he would not win this GSL for sure, even with that practice regimen KeSPA had. Name another Terran during that same period that wasn't using hellbat drops, and still managed to go deep into tournaments/win. A single unit didn't create his dominance for him. His TvT may be in some question (since he's lost however many of the last TvT's he's played) but his TvP is still relatively solid as far as I'm concerned. A 2-0 loss to Naniwa doesn't mean that his TvP is bad, in both games he was over-aggressive and Naniwa followed up perfectly; he didn't do anything wrong leading up to those points where he over-extended. Personally I think most of it relies on nerves/stamina. He wasn't the same Innovation after that 2-1 loss to Taeja. Taeja wore him out. All Taeja had to do for the next series was defend two cheeses from duckdeok. Innovation played 1 tvt (failed 2 rax, 2 rax reaper win and bio against mech on whirlwind), 2 tvps (both against Rain, whom he 3-0'd before at MLG) and 4 tvzs on his path to GSL final. See? He is good, no doubt, but since the population of zergs in general have been shortened to a serious extent his tvz alone won't drive him to championships. And with nerf to hellbats Innovation seriously looked lost in TvP (where he either keeps overly defensive against toss, or absurdly overextends lately) and his TvT (that never was his best match-up in HotS for real) now does not look hot either. And yes, Innovation starts to choke after 2 losses in a row for some reason. And i claim that his dominance came from combination of his TvZ + large amount of zergs he was playing against all the way + hellbat drops and overall mechanical prowess (hellbat drops are only a small factor IMO, but notable in case of TvT).
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More Koreans moving abroad. No foreigner will ever win a thing again
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On August 27 2013 03:45 NoGasfOu wrote: More Koreans moving abroad. No foreigner will ever win a thing again
Foreigners could barely win a foreigner-only tournaments as it is ^^
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Noooooooooo is this really really confirmed?
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On August 27 2013 03:49 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2013 03:45 NoGasfOu wrote: More Koreans moving abroad. No foreigner will ever win a thing again Foreigners could barely win a foreigner-only tournaments as it is ^^ If anything, Scarlett's about to get an insane practice partner, so she'll post better results! :D
Or she might just slump into irrelevancy from losing too much to Innovation in practice, I guess that is also a danger.
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I'm also thinking of this for the next proleague: there are now only 6 teams remaining, will IM and/or MVP become Kespa ? Will EGTL hit another shot ? (seems unlikely with Coach Park leaving), will (I'm probably drunk for just having this idea) GSTL and Proleague do a common team league or something close ? I can also see several STX players go to foreign teams (except hyvaa cause no one likes cheesers lol), I heard Green Wings (former Team 8) were thinking about acquiring a few new players (I'm kind of sorry to say this but with Argo retiring, they need it).
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I think hyvaa will go to Evil Geniuses. For obvious reasons. :D
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On August 27 2013 04:19 Flossy wrote: I think hyvaa will go to Evil Geniuses. For obvious reasons. :D
LoL, now that's a smart marketing move.
If Innovation is picked up by ACER, scarlet suddenly has (debatable) the best tvz practice partner on the planet.
I really think Kespa and esf should combine into a single team league at this point, I'm sure this is just wishful thinking with all the politics involved but I can dream can't I? If they keep losing teams and running into sponsorship problems they're going to have to combine eventually for mutual survival.
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On August 27 2013 03:51 babylon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2013 03:49 Zealously wrote:On August 27 2013 03:45 NoGasfOu wrote: More Koreans moving abroad. No foreigner will ever win a thing again Foreigners could barely win a foreigner-only tournaments as it is ^^ If anything, Scarlett's about to get an insane practice partner, so she'll post better results! :D Or she might just slump into irrelevancy from losing too much to Innovation in practice, I guess that is also a danger.
Meh Being in the same team =/= being practice partners
Especially true for foreign teams.
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On August 27 2013 04:50 EAGER-beaver wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2013 04:19 Flossy wrote: I think hyvaa will go to Evil Geniuses. For obvious reasons. :D LoL, now that's a smart marketing move. If Innovation is picked up by ACER, scarlet suddenly has (debatable) the best tvz practice partner on the planet. I really think Kespa and esf should combine into a single team league at this point, I'm sure this is just wishful thinking with all the politics involved but I can dream can't I? If they keep losing teams and running into sponsorship problems they're going to have to combine eventually for mutual survival. My guess is that it's more likely for one of them to go under
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