MLG is saying they won't be releasing replays AFTER the event. All the garbage about casters getting spammed or players getting spammed doesn't mean anything in this discussion. Please don't try to sympathize with MLG on this. It is quite obvious they aren't releasing the replays after the tourney because they want to sell said replays to casters.
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Frek
United States65 Posts
MLG is saying they won't be releasing replays AFTER the event. All the garbage about casters getting spammed or players getting spammed doesn't mean anything in this discussion. Please don't try to sympathize with MLG on this. It is quite obvious they aren't releasing the replays after the tourney because they want to sell said replays to casters. | ||
On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
On July 30 2011 08:27 Dingobloo wrote: Not necessarily true, as they said, they'll be sending out replays to trusted casters to cast, so I'm sure if iccup put a request in they could get them. Though we don't know what "trusted" means in this case. Ya I just got to that part of the thread. Hopefully Raelcun is one of those (I think it was him who does the show). | ||
svefnleysi
Iceland623 Posts
Why don't they just release replays after the event? | ||
koonst
United States215 Posts
people have many ways to get them on their friends list already.,. a replay is just a twig in a forest to them. | ||
sevia
United States954 Posts
But no, it's BNet 2.0. So good that you'll always want to be on it. | ||
rave[wcr]
United States1166 Posts
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HeavOnEarth
United States7087 Posts
On July 30 2011 08:22 atmuh wrote: You guys are also forgetting that since there is no GM its so incredibly easy to add players to your friend's list by simply going through random masters divisions, going through players you find's match history, and repeating. You can literally add every single player at MLG as easy as ever right now. assuming they dont use their known battle ids for ro16 and up(or w/e) the method u describe shouldnt be an issue | ||
Lorch
Germany3657 Posts
EDIT@someofthepeoplewhosaydon'tsupportmlg: Yeah lets fuck up what we have waited for since BW got huge in Korea, let's fuck SC2 in the butt by not supporting the companies that help this game grow as an esport, let's fuck all that shit and not pay and let's just wait for WCG each year so we get our one big event per year. | ||
Chicane
United States7875 Posts
On July 30 2011 08:33 koonst wrote: people forget pro's have actualy posted there names and codes in forums like team liquid and such in the past.. people have many ways to get them on their friends list already.,. a replay is just a twig in a forest to them. Except for the fact that they don't use their own account at MLG... at least not when playing on the stage. | ||
meursault
United States59 Posts
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SxYSpAz
United States1451 Posts
On July 30 2011 08:33 rave[wcr] wrote: release the replays after the event! + Show Spoiler + On July 30 2011 08:33 rave[wcr] wrote: release the replays after the event! On July 30 2011 08:33 rave[wcr] wrote: release the replays after the event! Can someone please explain why this wouldn't work?!?!? WTF!?!?! | ||
Minarva
United Kingdom72 Posts
On July 30 2011 08:32 Frek wrote: I really don't think anyone is getting the issue: MLG is saying they won't be releasing replays AFTER the event. All the garbage about casters getting spammed or players getting spammed doesn't mean anything in this discussion. Please don't try to sympathize with MLG on this. It is quite obvious they aren't releasing the replays after the tourney because they want to sell said replays to casters. Sadly this appears to be true. It is extremely easy to find out someone's code's and whisper them, with probably the vast majority of players codes publicly known somewhere. Perhaps this is to try and eliminate the casters from this, like MLGCasterA etc. but as has been said before it is relatively simple to do this via trial and error and is a relatively moot point after the fact (unless they somehow want to keep their IDs secret fo the entire pro-circuit, which seems naive to me). | ||
Chicane
United States7875 Posts
On July 30 2011 08:35 SxYSpAz wrote: + Show Spoiler + On July 30 2011 08:33 rave[wcr] wrote: release the replays after the event! On July 30 2011 08:33 rave[wcr] wrote: release the replays after the event! Can someone please explain why this wouldn't work?!?!? WTF!?!?! I don't know... this was my first thought though. Maybe they have to use the same accounts afterwards? But I'm pretty sure that's not the case, otherwise they will have the same problems with the same trolls as last time. | ||
LuckyFool
United States9015 Posts
also doesn't TLPD people use reps to enter the data of the games in from open bracket play? Guess we're not going to get many results in TLPD from any of the open bracket. | ||
TheButtonmen
Canada1401 Posts
On July 30 2011 08:35 meursault wrote: Because of this decision by MLG I will not be purchasing the Gold membership I had planned to purchase (I have purchased several seasons of GSL and the first NASL season previously). In addition I will be using ad-blocking software when watching any MLG matches whether on their own streams or on youtube or bliptv channels of the privileged few who get to see the replays. I hope many others take these steps so they realize that doing this will not get them any more ad revenue or membership purchases. So you're going to punish the people who make content and give back the community like iCCup, Husky, IPL, PsyStarcraft and Day[9] because you're angry at MLG. Awesome logic there. | ||
SxYSpAz
United States1451 Posts
On July 30 2011 08:36 Chicane wrote: I don't know... this was my first thought though. Maybe they have to use the same accounts afterwards? But I'm pretty sure that's not the case, otherwise they will have the same problems with the same trolls as last time. i know for a fact that's not the case, at past mlgs they all have starter portraits, and last time they said they called blizzard for smurf account ids. Even if they had to spend $50 for an account it would be worth it, and they don't. they just call blizzard for ids | ||
Dingobloo
Australia1903 Posts
On July 30 2011 08:35 meursault wrote: Because of this decision by MLG I will not be purchasing the Gold membership I had planned to purchase (I have purchased several seasons of GSL and the first NASL season previously). In addition I will be using ad-blocking software when watching any MLG matches whether on their own streams or on youtube or bliptv channels of the privileged few who get to see the replays. I hope many others take these steps so they realize that doing this will not get them any more ad revenue or membership purchases. Really? None of the other tournaments you mentioned release replays either, and you're just going to cut it off because they once had something cool and now are doing the same thing as the other tournaments? I mean I'm as upset as everyone else here, but that's a bit much. | ||
meursault
United States59 Posts
On July 30 2011 08:38 TheButtonmen wrote: So you're going to punish the people who make content and give back the community like iCCup, Husky, IPL, PsyStarcraft and Day[9] because you're angry at MLG. Awesome logic there. Not for all content on their channels. Only MLG content. edit:MLG benefits from the relationship they foster with casters by giving them exclusive access to replays. This is a way to reduce that benefit. | ||
ehalf
408 Posts
On July 30 2011 07:46 MLG_Lee wrote: A couple points of clarification: 1) Releasing replays exposes the event to risk that we're not comfortable with. Happy to debate the level of relative risk, but it's there. If I can remove ANY risk from the event, I'm going to. Do any of you really think I or anyone else at MLG want to repeat Dallas? 2) This has nothing to do with GSL or Korean players wanting to be protected on the replays. That was a point of discussion and all LXP players understand that MLG has the right to release the replays anytime we want to. 3) Modifying replay files (not reading them) is a violation of Blizzard's ToS. I maybe could get permission to do it, but there's a lot of legal issues tied up in that. We already know how to do it. But we'd have to check them all before releasing them. 4) The issues around this are not just technical, they're also rules based. Yes, we could require in the rules that every player sets busy (already the case) and opens six chats. But then what do you do if someone forgets and lags? Is it fair to allow a restart? or should we call them on a technical? We don't make these decisions lightly. 5) Releasing the replays to casters that we work with and trust is the least risky way to get SOME of this content out. I know it's not everything that everyone wants. At the end of the day though, we can fund events because we can monetize content. Keep in mind that we lose a tremendous amount of money every event. Our productions are not cheap. Sat trucks alone are a solid six figure number. 6) Not going to discuss in a public forum how you can get to the chat name. That's like teaching people how to break your own event ;p R1CH, love to chat with you about it some offline/inpriv. This step is being taken to protect the operations of the event. Replays are not going to be released at this event. When we have some more time to consider things and think through ALL the issues, we'll re-evaluate. But this is not a decision that we'll revisit here. We know how valuable this is to the community and we definitively listen to the community, I think we've proven that. I appreciate constructive criticism and the satire is worth a good laugh too. Bear in mind that at GotFrag (of which I was a founder and prez), we hosted .dem (replays for Counter-Strike) for every match we could find at every event. They're still available there. I know exactly how much we all love having access to the replays. And I know this is an unpopular decision with much of the community. But see above for the straight scoop on why we're doing this. EDIT: DDOS is a poor choice of words in our release. Chat spam on the game clients which lags the game is what was meant. EDIT: And yes, I know you can find other ways to get to the same information. But I can't stop those. I can reduce risk on things I can control. Not taking those steps is negligent. 1. there is no risk. even it is, it cant be avoid by not releasing replays. 2. ok... i was originally thought this is due to korea pro's demand. thx for clarifying it's ur problem, mlg. 3. why do u even want to modify the replays? to avoid so called 'risk'? 4. if player forgot set to busy, it's their own problem. they are already adults. they can eat by themself and no need to wear diaper. cant believe pro's with 200+ apm wont be able to do this. 5. no offense. some casters are horrible. 6. no comment really sad u have to make up so many excuses. Lee | ||
Glurkenspurk
United States1915 Posts
On July 30 2011 08:35 meursault wrote: Because of this decision by MLG I will not be purchasing the Gold membership I had planned to purchase (I have purchased several seasons of GSL and the first NASL season previously). In addition I will be using ad-blocking software when watching any MLG matches whether on their own streams or on youtube or bliptv channels of the privileged few who get to see the replays. I hope many others take these steps so they realize that doing this will not get them any more ad revenue or membership purchases. I'm doing this as well. Especially after how I was treated as a player at mlg columbus. (getting yelled at for asking why my seat was mixed up? Okay buddy.) | ||
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