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On February 20 2012 03:59 Candadar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2012 03:57 Yongwang wrote:On February 20 2012 03:48 Ercster wrote:On February 20 2012 03:46 Yongwang wrote:On February 20 2012 03:41 mrRoflpwn wrote: Pretty biased poll imo. But ya i prefer we have no guns in society for anyone. How is the poll biased? No intelligent person would dare add an anti-gun rights option the poll, it would absurd. Just as no intelligent person would add a poll option like "kill all the Jews," in a poll about "how to make the world a better place." It's only absurd because it's unrealistic. And because taking away people's freedom isn't going to solve anything. So we should continue the sale of armor piercing rounds and frag grenades to regular citizens in the name of "Freedom"? Sure, why not?
Also, why did you mention armor piercing rounds? What's wrong with armor piercing rounds?
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On February 20 2012 03:57 Yongwang wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2012 03:48 Ercster wrote:On February 20 2012 03:46 Yongwang wrote:On February 20 2012 03:41 mrRoflpwn wrote: Pretty biased poll imo. But ya i prefer we have no guns in society for anyone. How is the poll biased? No intelligent person would dare add an anti-gun rights option the poll, it would absurd. Just as no intelligent person would add a poll option like "kill all the Jews," in a poll about "how to make the world a better place." It's only absurd because it's unrealistic. And because taking away people's freedom isn't going to solve anything. "There were 52,447 deliberate and 23,237 accidental non-fatal gunshot injuries in the United States during 2000." "with 17,352 (55.6%) of the total 31,224 firearm-related deaths in 2007 due to suicide, while 12,632 (40.5%) were homicide deaths." It would have made this non-existent.
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On February 20 2012 03:59 Yongwang wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2012 03:59 Candadar wrote:On February 20 2012 03:57 Yongwang wrote:On February 20 2012 03:48 Ercster wrote:On February 20 2012 03:46 Yongwang wrote:On February 20 2012 03:41 mrRoflpwn wrote: Pretty biased poll imo. But ya i prefer we have no guns in society for anyone. How is the poll biased? No intelligent person would dare add an anti-gun rights option the poll, it would absurd. Just as no intelligent person would add a poll option like "kill all the Jews," in a poll about "how to make the world a better place." It's only absurd because it's unrealistic. And because taking away people's freedom isn't going to solve anything. So we should continue the sale of armor piercing rounds and frag grenades to regular citizens in the name of "Freedom"? Sure, why not? Also, why did you mention armor piercing rounds? What's wrong with armor piercing rounds?
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Seriously?
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Ercster, you're an American, so why are you arguing against American culture, American values, and American politics? Why would you betray America and support the European socialists? What reasoning do you have for your actions?
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The title and poll is misleading. A lot of people, including me, thought that by "Ex-con" the op meant "Ex-con artist."
I voted for "nonviolent ex cons should be allowed to carry guns" anyway.
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On February 20 2012 04:01 Yongwang wrote: Ercster, you're an American, so why are you arguing against American culture, American values, and American politics? Why would you betray America and support the European socialists? What reasoning do you have for your actions? ^_^
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On February 20 2012 03:58 RodrigoX wrote: How about we get an actual system that rehabilities criminals and not just make them worse?
Private companies own prisons...they get money from the state when people are brought into their prison system. Why would they wanna make them better? Its $$$
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On February 20 2012 04:01 Yongwang wrote: Ercster, you're an American, so why are you arguing against American culture, American values, and American politics? Why would you betray America and support the European socialists? What reasoning do you have for your actions?
Because we're both communists that hate freedom.
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If the point of imprisonment is rehabilitation then ex-cons should have the same rights as everyone else if they're deemed fit for release from prison. Why release them at all if they're still dangerous?
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On February 20 2012 04:01 Yongwang wrote: Ercster, you're an American, so why are you arguing against American culture, American values, and American politics? Why would you betray America and support the European socialists? What reasoning do you have for your actions? This has to be a joke? right?
Oh god I hope so...
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On February 20 2012 03:59 Ercster wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2012 03:57 Yongwang wrote:On February 20 2012 03:48 Ercster wrote:On February 20 2012 03:46 Yongwang wrote:On February 20 2012 03:41 mrRoflpwn wrote: Pretty biased poll imo. But ya i prefer we have no guns in society for anyone. How is the poll biased? No intelligent person would dare add an anti-gun rights option the poll, it would absurd. Just as no intelligent person would add a poll option like "kill all the Jews," in a poll about "how to make the world a better place." It's only absurd because it's unrealistic. And because taking away people's freedom isn't going to solve anything. "There were 52,447 deliberate and 23,237 accidental non-fatal gunshot injuries in the United States during 2000." "with 17,352 (55.6%) of the total 31,224 firearm-related deaths in 2007 due to suicide, while 12,632 (40.5%) were homicide deaths." It would have made this non-existent.
Suicide is a bigger killer(it makes the top ten year in and year out)than homocide. Ban suicide? If people wanna kill themselves there are a lot of ways to do it. Guns won't change this.
Also the whole talk about armor piercing is bigger LOL because its a media hyped term that is incredibly vague. Armor piercing implies it defeats armor. What kind of armor? 9mm ball will defeat soft armor and its just regular ball ammo. 5.56x45 and 7.62x49 will defeat IIIA, III, and IV body armor certifications. With just regular FMJ mind you. .50BMG can defeat nearly 1'' thick steel plate. Then you have steel core vs only lead, so on and so forth. There really is no such thing as "armor piercing" as its very vague. If you don't understand what I'm referring to, there's a lot of information out there, but basically lots of regular FMJ ammunition can defeat several types of armor thus making them "armor piercing". BE AFRAID!
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On February 20 2012 04:07 Vorenius wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2012 04:01 Yongwang wrote: Ercster, you're an American, so why are you arguing against American culture, American values, and American politics? Why would you betray America and support the European socialists? What reasoning do you have for your actions? This has to be a joke? right? Oh god I hope so... I actually believe this person is quite serious. If you're not with him, you're a filthy anti-American who doesn't support an apparently UNIVERSALLY recognized right to bear arms.
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well, obviously no guns would be best imo.
nvm, realised there is no such choice.. hmm.. i guess only law abiding citizens then
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On February 20 2012 04:10 Alizee- wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2012 03:59 Ercster wrote:On February 20 2012 03:57 Yongwang wrote:On February 20 2012 03:48 Ercster wrote:On February 20 2012 03:46 Yongwang wrote:On February 20 2012 03:41 mrRoflpwn wrote: Pretty biased poll imo. But ya i prefer we have no guns in society for anyone. How is the poll biased? No intelligent person would dare add an anti-gun rights option the poll, it would absurd. Just as no intelligent person would add a poll option like "kill all the Jews," in a poll about "how to make the world a better place." It's only absurd because it's unrealistic. And because taking away people's freedom isn't going to solve anything. "There were 52,447 deliberate and 23,237 accidental non-fatal gunshot injuries in the United States during 2000." "with 17,352 (55.6%) of the total 31,224 firearm-related deaths in 2007 due to suicide, while 12,632 (40.5%) were homicide deaths." It would have made this non-existent. Suicide is a bigger killer(it makes the top ten year in and year out)than homocide. Ban suicide? If people wanna kill themselves there are a lot of ways to do it. Guns won't change this. Also the whole talk about armor piercing is bigger LOL because its a media hyped term that is incredibly vague. Armor piercing implies it defeats armor. What kind of armor? 9mm ball will defeat soft armor and its just regular ball ammo. 5.56x45 and 7.62x49 will defeat IIIA, III, and IV body armor certifications. With just regular FMJ mind you. .50BMG can defeat nearly 1'' thick steel plate. Then you have steel core vs only lead, so on and so forth. There really is no such thing as "armor piercing" as its very vague. If you don't understand what I'm referring to, there's a lot of information out there, but basically lots of regular FMJ ammunition can defeat several types of armor thus making them "armor piercing". BE AFRAID! Well actually suicide isn't allowed in the United States. If you attempt suicide and get caught, you will be put into a mental institution, even if you don't want to go. "Firearms are the most commonly used method of suicide for men and women, accounting for 60 percent of all suicides."
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Why doesn't US allow every country in the world having nuclear weapons? These countries need to have a way to defend themselves in case the U.. tries to conquer the world right?
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On February 20 2012 03:46 Yongwang wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2012 03:41 mrRoflpwn wrote: Pretty biased poll imo. But ya i prefer we have no guns in society for anyone. How is the poll biased? No intelligent person would dare add an anti-gun rights option the poll, it would absurd. Just as no intelligent person would add a poll option like "kill all the Jews," in a poll about "how to make the world a better place." Any special reason for indirectly calling people hippies/retarded/socialists/other things you feel are insulting instead of taking responsibility for what you are actually trying to communicate?
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On February 20 2012 04:02 Candadar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2012 04:01 Yongwang wrote: Ercster, you're an American, so why are you arguing against American culture, American values, and American politics? Why would you betray America and support the European socialists? What reasoning do you have for your actions? Because we're both communists that hate freedom. Oh okay, thanks for clarifying.
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On February 20 2012 04:14 Ercster wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2012 04:10 Alizee- wrote:On February 20 2012 03:59 Ercster wrote:On February 20 2012 03:57 Yongwang wrote:On February 20 2012 03:48 Ercster wrote:On February 20 2012 03:46 Yongwang wrote:On February 20 2012 03:41 mrRoflpwn wrote: Pretty biased poll imo. But ya i prefer we have no guns in society for anyone. How is the poll biased? No intelligent person would dare add an anti-gun rights option the poll, it would absurd. Just as no intelligent person would add a poll option like "kill all the Jews," in a poll about "how to make the world a better place." It's only absurd because it's unrealistic. And because taking away people's freedom isn't going to solve anything. "There were 52,447 deliberate and 23,237 accidental non-fatal gunshot injuries in the United States during 2000." "with 17,352 (55.6%) of the total 31,224 firearm-related deaths in 2007 due to suicide, while 12,632 (40.5%) were homicide deaths." It would have made this non-existent. Suicide is a bigger killer(it makes the top ten year in and year out)than homocide. Ban suicide? If people wanna kill themselves there are a lot of ways to do it. Guns won't change this. Also the whole talk about armor piercing is bigger LOL because its a media hyped term that is incredibly vague. Armor piercing implies it defeats armor. What kind of armor? 9mm ball will defeat soft armor and its just regular ball ammo. 5.56x45 and 7.62x49 will defeat IIIA, III, and IV body armor certifications. With just regular FMJ mind you. .50BMG can defeat nearly 1'' thick steel plate. Then you have steel core vs only lead, so on and so forth. There really is no such thing as "armor piercing" as its very vague. If you don't understand what I'm referring to, there's a lot of information out there, but basically lots of regular FMJ ammunition can defeat several types of armor thus making them "armor piercing". BE AFRAID! Well actually suicide isn't allowed in the United States. If you attempt suicide and get caught, you will be put into a mental institution, even if you don't want to go.
My point was a bit facetious, the point being that even if you legislate everything in existence, you still can't stop everything. Passing a law doesn't make the world sunshine and rainbows. Laws supply restriction and consequences, if someone is going to kill themselves..I don't think they're too worried about the consequences and to a lesser extent the same applies to a murderer.
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On February 20 2012 04:17 Akta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2012 03:46 Yongwang wrote:On February 20 2012 03:41 mrRoflpwn wrote: Pretty biased poll imo. But ya i prefer we have no guns in society for anyone. How is the poll biased? No intelligent person would dare add an anti-gun rights option the poll, it would absurd. Just as no intelligent person would add a poll option like "kill all the Jews," in a poll about "how to make the world a better place." Any special reason for indirectly calling people hippies/retarded/socialists/other things you feel are insulting instead of taking responsibility for what you are actually trying to communicate? When did I call anyone retarded? I was merely pointing out that it would be ridiculous to put that as a poll option.
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On February 20 2012 04:17 Alizee- wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2012 04:14 Ercster wrote:On February 20 2012 04:10 Alizee- wrote:On February 20 2012 03:59 Ercster wrote:On February 20 2012 03:57 Yongwang wrote:On February 20 2012 03:48 Ercster wrote:On February 20 2012 03:46 Yongwang wrote:On February 20 2012 03:41 mrRoflpwn wrote: Pretty biased poll imo. But ya i prefer we have no guns in society for anyone. How is the poll biased? No intelligent person would dare add an anti-gun rights option the poll, it would absurd. Just as no intelligent person would add a poll option like "kill all the Jews," in a poll about "how to make the world a better place." It's only absurd because it's unrealistic. And because taking away people's freedom isn't going to solve anything. "There were 52,447 deliberate and 23,237 accidental non-fatal gunshot injuries in the United States during 2000." "with 17,352 (55.6%) of the total 31,224 firearm-related deaths in 2007 due to suicide, while 12,632 (40.5%) were homicide deaths." It would have made this non-existent. Suicide is a bigger killer(it makes the top ten year in and year out)than homocide. Ban suicide? If people wanna kill themselves there are a lot of ways to do it. Guns won't change this. Also the whole talk about armor piercing is bigger LOL because its a media hyped term that is incredibly vague. Armor piercing implies it defeats armor. What kind of armor? 9mm ball will defeat soft armor and its just regular ball ammo. 5.56x45 and 7.62x49 will defeat IIIA, III, and IV body armor certifications. With just regular FMJ mind you. .50BMG can defeat nearly 1'' thick steel plate. Then you have steel core vs only lead, so on and so forth. There really is no such thing as "armor piercing" as its very vague. If you don't understand what I'm referring to, there's a lot of information out there, but basically lots of regular FMJ ammunition can defeat several types of armor thus making them "armor piercing". BE AFRAID! Well actually suicide isn't allowed in the United States. If you attempt suicide and get caught, you will be put into a mental institution, even if you don't want to go. My point was a bit facetious, the point being that even if you legislate everything in existence, you still can't stop everything. Passing a law doesn't make the world sunshine and rainbows. Laws supply restriction and consequences, if someone is going to kill themselves..I don't think they're too worried about the consequences and to a lesser extent the same applies to a murderer. So let's legalize murder?
In fact why have any laws at all. They obviously don't work since people are killing, raping, stealing, robbing, etc anyway.
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