not sorry for my bad engliush because fuck you
also an uprising is something different from a rise in the number of "nazis" in germany.
stupid attention seekr thread -.-
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lahara
Germany140 Posts
not sorry for my bad engliush because fuck you also an uprising is something different from a rise in the number of "nazis" in germany. stupid attention seekr thread -.- | ||
mijagi182
Poland797 Posts
On November 13 2012 04:10 Sjokola wrote: I'm extremely fascinated by the fact that neonazi groups in eastern Europe and Russia greet with the Nazi salute (Roman/Bellamy salute whatever) even though Hitler rated Slavic peoples as untermensch. turned out we are mensch after all, since we have our nazis too :D | ||
esperanto
Germany357 Posts
On November 13 2012 04:08 cari-kira wrote: omg please.. a left wing company, calling themselves "foundation", but getting 150mio € every year from the taxpayer, try to make themselves look important and get even more money from the taxpayer. god, i wait for the day when people like that say:"ok, work is done, lets go home and do something other." instead they lift every stone and turn every stick to find the last nazi and to squeeze the last euro out of people who react to their scheme. i live in the city, in the rhein-main-area with 5.5 mio people for 20 years now, and i never saw or spoke to a nazi. and when 9% of the people are nazis, i couldn't care less, as long as they vote democratic. to the op: sorry, you have been tricked. the "friedrich ebert foundation" today released a book "Die Mitte im Umbruch" that tries to show that there are many, many nazis in germany. do you really expect a study from this organisation that shows, that there is _no_ nazi problem in germany? and your article and the book release today is too much of a coincidence for me to not notice. viral marketing for beginners? They get just as much money as the "Konrad Adenauer Stiftung" the conservative counterpart and they do really important work all over the world. The tax-payers money they have is actually spent on the scolarships they give to students. And they actually pump alot of their own money in these scolarships. (I doubt the study was even paid by tax-payers money at all.) And they didnt "turn every stone", they made a poll and made a statistic. The questions they asked are shown in the report, so are the answers. Thats all. If you want to close your eyes, thats only your problem. Really man, how much hate do you have in yourself? Just because the FES is slighly left-leaning? | ||
MoltkeWarding
5195 Posts
On November 13 2012 03:28 schaf wrote: I think in Germany the whole WW2 education backfired a bit. I agree it has to be done and it's good that we get it in school a lot. But when I was growing up (mid 20s now), it felt like being German is actually a bad thing. You get constantly confronted with the horros and of the past and their guilt. My parents were not a particular help in that regard either as they were heavily influenced by the hippie movement. So, if you grow up in that environment every identification with your nation is basically taken from you (might seem a bit extreme, but with me that was the case) and if you want to be a non-conformist or a rebel in school, you look for things that are 'forbidden'. The NPD is a joke. But they actually have a good strategy. They do offers for young people in areas where there is nothing else, do free jurisdictional advice for unemployed people, do community festivals - and the people buy it. It works. All in all, I wouldn't call all followers of the NPD as Neo-Nazis. And there are countries who have a much more severe problem with this, for example Russia (yes!): When I first visited Berlin several years ago, I stood under the Brandenburger Tor, with a plaque detailing the glorious events of March 1848, supposed to remind us of the best political traditions of Germany's ancestors, in contrast to 1870 and 1933. The plaque commemorated Germany's first liberal-democrats, how they rose up for their rights against an authoritarian regime, how they for a wrinkle in time seized the destiny of the nation and seemed to propel it to a hopeful future. This is the kind of dogma, half naive, half ridiculous, which is being commonly propagated as "History" in Germany today, in classrooms, media and the popular imagination. The National Assembly which assembled in Frankfurt in 1848 eventually perished under the duress of its own national radicalism, and was forced to prostitute itself out to Frederick William IV, who wound up protecting his "democrats" from the people, but rightly refused to pick his crown up from the gutter. No one today will teach 1848 as an object lesson in the failures of historical German liberalism and constitutionalism, an episode whose multifaceted complexities, by the way, would have been more profoundly understood under the classical curricula of such authoritarian regimes as Bismarck's Prussia or Hitler's National Socialist Germany than by the historically tone-deaf people of today. It is being trumpeted as a milestone event in the progress of Germany because national curriculum of self-censorship has practically eradicated all other political achievements from German memory. It has painted the sweep of Germany with a broad brush and, while subscribing to the Sonderweg theory that all of Germany's history must be read under the dim shadow of the Third Reich, occasionally pretends to promote Germany's Western legacy by citing and mis-citing such episodes as the March Revolution or Operation Walküre. This kind of post ex-facto ideological manipulation exists all over the place. The German Biedermeier is more properly the teleological Vormärz, the War Credits vote of the SPD in 1914 is now seen as an departure from political norms in German history, rather than its conformity to it. This is all perhaps only ephemerally relevant to the issue at hand. Looking at the OP, however, and reading the report by the Friederich-Ebert-Stiftung, it's obvious that some things are being misrepresented. In the Spiegel-polls, the NDP does not command enough support to enter any State parliament in Germany apart from Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, where the polls show them at 6%. The Survey of the Friedrich-Ebert-Stiftung has a list of questions so leading, that sometimes an answer which reveals a discerning historical understanding will be registered ideologically as “Rechtsextrem” i.e. Question 1: Im nationalen Interesse ist unter bestimmten Umständen eine Diktatur die bessere Staatsform Quite apart from the fact that this question betrays a lack of understanding as to what Dictatorship is, a classical scholar who admires Sulla might agree to this statement, and be labelled an extremist. The leading clause is the stipulation “unter bestimmten Umständen,” which vastly inflates the number of people who will be labelled inaccurately. Question 2: Ohne Judenvernichtung würde man Hitler heute als großen Staatsmann ansehen. The leading aspect of this question is raised by its very hypothetical nature. You might as well ask if Hitler behaved as Mother Theresa, would he be seen as a saint today? The question is deliberately drawing on the great Hitler-biographer Joachim Fest's assertion in the introduction of his 1974 biography: Shall we call him great? Fest asserted in his biograhpy that had Hitler died in 1938, he would have gone down in history as the greatest of German statesmen, surpassing Bismarck. These are debatable, but not trivial postulations. Yet under the consideration of the F-E-Stiftung, a lifelong bourgeois conservative like Fest would have been labelled an extremist. The list goes on and on, deducing folly from folly. Finally all this “information” is reduced to a number ready for publication. After a long, exhaustive, methodological study, the final results conclude that the percentage of people holding extreme-right attitudes in Germany have grown from 6.6 percent to 15.8 percent. People are shocked. New resolutions are made from the left to accelerate the social and mental terraforming of the nation. We have to make German history even more mendacious and crude. We have to educate people better. We have to address socio-economic inequality. Call me old-fashioned, but I have a better thermometer of measuring the presence of extremism in modern life. I go on the internet and see which people are going into a crazed frenzy calling everything else extreme. | ||
cari-kira
Germany655 Posts
On November 13 2012 04:15 ACrow wrote: Show nested quote + On November 13 2012 04:08 cari-kira wrote: omg please.. a left wing company, calling themselves "foundation", but getting 150mio € every year from the taxpayer, try to make themselves look important and get even more money from the taxpayer. god, i wait for the day when people like that say:"ok, work is done, lets go home and do something other." instead they lift every stone and turn every stick to find the last nazi and to squeeze the last euro out of people who react to their scheme. i live in the city, in the rhein-main-area with 5.5 mio people for 20 years now, and i never saw or spoke to a nazi. and when 9% of the people are nazis, i couldn't care less, as long as they vote democratic. to the op: sorry, you have been tricked. the "friedrich ebert foundation" today released a book "Die Mitte im Umbruch" that tries to show that there are many, many nazis in germany. do you really expect a study from this organisation that shows, that there is _no_ nazi problem in germany? and your article and the book release today is too much of a coincidence for me to not notice. viral marketing for beginners? The Friedrich-Ebert-Stiftung is the SPD-near foundation for political education. There is one such foundation for every party in the parliament. They receive federal support due to law and are a part of our party system, they are not companies as you falsely claim. You of course have to be aware that they are not politically neutral and in fact some of the questions of their study are suggestive (especially the ones regarding immigrants are citicized), and their conclusion is a bit alarmistic to create attention, but the core conclusion that Nazi ideology is on the rise still stands and is something that we as a society should be aware of. "the core conclusion that Nazi ideology is on the rise still stands" what? i never heard any facts from you to come to a conclusion. try to troll somebody else. | ||
CrimsonLotus
Colombia1123 Posts
On November 13 2012 04:36 lahara wrote: im a dedicated nazi and i have evry right to be (freedom of opinion, belief or ideology or whatever). the thing is how you define a nazi and what exact criteria must be fullfilled to qualify as a nazi. i consider myself a nazi but im not rasist or prejudiced. i go to an international school and have jewish friends. im a survey i would say im a nazi which i conside rmyself to be simply cause of the fact that a) it gives me a sense of belonging and b) im hoping to one day lead germany to former glory but this time with peaceful means and alot of flowerpower not sorry for my bad engliush because fuck you also an uprising is something different from a rise in the number of "nazis" in germany. stupid attention seekr thread -.- So you adopt an ideology but not one of it's core beliefs? Then what the hell it's the point of calling yourself a Nazi?, it's like a Catholic who doesn't believe in Jesus. Makes no sense whatsoever. You maybe a fascist, nationalist, authoritarian or a conservative or something like that then. | ||
GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
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LoLAdriankat
United States4307 Posts
On November 13 2012 04:36 lahara wrote: im a dedicated nazi and i have evry right to be (freedom of opinion, belief or ideology or whatever). the thing is how you define a nazi and what exact criteria must be fullfilled to qualify as a nazi. i consider myself a nazi but im not rasist or prejudiced. i go to an international school and have jewish friends. im a survey i would say im a nazi which i conside rmyself to be simply cause of the fact that a) it gives me a sense of belonging and b) im hoping to one day lead germany to former glory but this time with peaceful means and alot of flowerpower not sorry for my bad engliush because fuck you also an uprising is something different from a rise in the number of "nazis" in germany. stupid attention seekr thread -.- You're not a Nazi, you're a fascist/nationalist. | ||
EtherealBlade
660 Posts
On November 13 2012 04:40 esperanto wrote: Show nested quote + On November 13 2012 04:08 cari-kira wrote: omg please.. a left wing company, calling themselves "foundation", but getting 150mio € every year from the taxpayer, try to make themselves look important and get even more money from the taxpayer. god, i wait for the day when people like that say:"ok, work is done, lets go home and do something other." instead they lift every stone and turn every stick to find the last nazi and to squeeze the last euro out of people who react to their scheme. i live in the city, in the rhein-main-area with 5.5 mio people for 20 years now, and i never saw or spoke to a nazi. and when 9% of the people are nazis, i couldn't care less, as long as they vote democratic. to the op: sorry, you have been tricked. the "friedrich ebert foundation" today released a book "Die Mitte im Umbruch" that tries to show that there are many, many nazis in germany. do you really expect a study from this organisation that shows, that there is _no_ nazi problem in germany? and your article and the book release today is too much of a coincidence for me to not notice. viral marketing for beginners? They get just as much money as the "Konrad Adenauer Stiftung" the conservative counterpart and they do really important work all over the world. The tax-payers money they have is actually spent on the scolarships they give to students. And they actually pump alot of their own money in these scolarships. (I doubt the study was even paid by tax-payers money at all.) And they didnt "turn every stone", they made a poll and made a statistic. The questions they asked are shown in the report, so are the answers. Thats all. If you want to close your eyes, thats only your problem. Really man, how much hate do you have in yourself? Just because the FES is slighly left-leaning? If they waste millions of Euros, only to come up with something ridiculous like this "survey" or similar "researches" that basically calls 9 out of 100 Germans NSDAP believers, then the foundation should close down immediately and it's funding be reallocated elsewhere. | ||
farvacola
United States18768 Posts
On November 13 2012 04:41 MoltkeWarding wrote: Show nested quote + On November 13 2012 03:28 schaf wrote: I think in Germany the whole WW2 education backfired a bit. I agree it has to be done and it's good that we get it in school a lot. But when I was growing up (mid 20s now), it felt like being German is actually a bad thing. You get constantly confronted with the horros and of the past and their guilt. My parents were not a particular help in that regard either as they were heavily influenced by the hippie movement. So, if you grow up in that environment every identification with your nation is basically taken from you (might seem a bit extreme, but with me that was the case) and if you want to be a non-conformist or a rebel in school, you look for things that are 'forbidden'. The NPD is a joke. But they actually have a good strategy. They do offers for young people in areas where there is nothing else, do free jurisdictional advice for unemployed people, do community festivals - and the people buy it. It works. All in all, I wouldn't call all followers of the NPD as Neo-Nazis. And there are countries who have a much more severe problem with this, for example Russia (yes!): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBV3E8CnBew + Show Spoiler + When I first visited Berlin several years ago, I stood under the Brandenburger Tor, with a plaque detailing the glorious events of March 1848, supposed to remind us of the best political traditions of Germany's ancestors, in contrast to 1870 and 1933. The plaque commemorated Germany's first liberal-democrats, how they rose up for their rights against an authoritarian regime, how they for a wrinkle in time seized the destiny of the nation and seemed to propel it to a hopeful future. This is the kind of dogma, half naive, half ridiculous, which is being commonly propagated as "History" in Germany today, in classrooms, media and the popular imagination. The National Assembly which assembled in Frankfurt in 1848 eventually perished under the duress of its own national radicalism, and was forced to prostitute itself out to Frederick William IV, who wound up protecting his "democrats" from the people, but rightly refused to pick his crown up from the gutter. No one today will teach 1848 as an object lesson in the failures of historical German liberalism and constitutionalism, an episode whose multifaceted complexities, by the way, would have been more profoundly understood under the classical curricula of such authoritarian regimes as Bismarck's Prussia or Hitler's National Socialist Germany than by the historically tone-deaf people of today. It is being trumpeted as a milestone event in the progress of Germany because national curriculum of self-censorship has practically eradicated all other political achievements from German memory. It has painted the sweep of Germany with a broad brush and, while subscribing to the Sonderweg theory that all of Germany's history must be read under the dim shadow of the Third Reich, occasionally pretends to promote Germany's Western legacy by citing and mis-citing such episodes as the March Revolution or Operation Walküre. This kind of post ex-facto ideological manipulation exists all over the place. The German Biedermeier is more properly the teleological Vormärz, the War Credits vote of the SPD in 1914 is now seen as an departure from political norms in German history, rather than its conformity to it. This is all perhaps only ephemerally relevant to the issue at hand. Looking at the OP, however, and reading the report by the Friederich-Ebert-Stiftung, it's obvious that some things are being misrepresented. In the Spiegel-polls, the NDP does not command enough support to enter any State parliament in Germany apart from Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, where the polls show them at 6%. The Survey of the Friedrich-Ebert-Stiftung has a list of questions so leading, that sometimes an answer which reveals a discerning historical understanding will be registered ideologically as “Rechtsextrem” i.e. Question 1: Im nationalen Interesse ist unter bestimmten Umständen eine Diktatur die bessere Staatsform Quite apart from the fact that this question betrays a lack of understanding as to what Dictatorship is, a classical scholar who admires Sulla might agree to this statement, and be labelled an extremist. The leading clause is the stipulation “unter bestimmten Umständen,” which vastly inflates the number of people who will be labelled inaccurately. Question 2: Ohne Judenvernichtung würde man Hitler heute als großen Staatsmann ansehen. The leading aspect of this question is raised by its very hypothetical nature. You might as well ask if Hitler behaved as Mother Theresa, would he be seen as a saint today? The question is deliberately drawing on the great Hitler-biographer Joachim Fest's assertion in the introduction of his 1974 biography: Shall we call him great? Fest asserted in his biograhpy that had Hitler died in 1938, he would have gone down in history as the greatest of German statesmen, surpassing Bismarck. These are debatable, but not trivial postulations. Yet under the consideration of the F-E-Stiftung, a lifelong bourgeois conservative like Fest would have been labelled an extremist. The list goes on and on, deducing folly from folly. Finally all this “information” is reduced to a number ready for publication. After a long, exhaustive, methodological study, the final results conclude that the percentage of people holding extreme-right attitudes in Germany have grown from 6.6 percent to 15.8 percent. People are shocked. New resolutions are made from the left to accelerate the social and mental terraforming of the nation. We have to make German history even more mendacious and crude. We have to educate people better. We have to address socio-economic inequality. Call me old-fashioned, but I have a better thermometer of measuring the presence of extremism in modern life. I go on the internet and see which people are going into a crazed frenzy calling everything else extreme. This post was a highly enjoyable read, I recommend everyone read this before thinking too hard on the "evidence" presented in the OP. | ||
lahara
Germany140 Posts
On November 13 2012 04:44 CrimsonLotus wrote: Show nested quote + On November 13 2012 04:36 lahara wrote: im a dedicated nazi and i have evry right to be (freedom of opinion, belief or ideology or whatever). the thing is how you define a nazi and what exact criteria must be fullfilled to qualify as a nazi. i consider myself a nazi but im not rasist or prejudiced. i go to an international school and have jewish friends. im a survey i would say im a nazi which i conside rmyself to be simply cause of the fact that a) it gives me a sense of belonging and b) im hoping to one day lead germany to former glory but this time with peaceful means and alot of flowerpower not sorry for my bad engliush because fuck you also an uprising is something different from a rise in the number of "nazis" in germany. stupid attention seekr thread -.- So you adopt an ideology but not one of it's core beliefs? Then what the hell it's the point of calling yourself a Nazi?, it's like a Catholic who doesn't believe in Jesus. Makes no sense whatsoever. You maybe a fascist, nationalist, authoritarian or a conservative or something like that then. i alrdy said why i consider myself a nazi : a) it gives me a sense of belonging b) a load of stupid jibberish | ||
DeepElemBlues
United States5076 Posts
Show nested quote + On November 13 2012 04:49 farvacola wrote: On November 13 2012 04:41 MoltkeWarding wrote: On November 13 2012 03:28 schaf wrote: I think in Germany the whole WW2 education backfired a bit. I agree it has to be done and it's good that we get it in school a lot. But when I was growing up (mid 20s now), it felt like being German is actually a bad thing. You get constantly confronted with the horros and of the past and their guilt. My parents were not a particular help in that regard either as they were heavily influenced by the hippie movement. So, if you grow up in that environment every identification with your nation is basically taken from you (might seem a bit extreme, but with me that was the case) and if you want to be a non-conformist or a rebel in school, you look for things that are 'forbidden'. The NPD is a joke. But they actually have a good strategy. They do offers for young people in areas where there is nothing else, do free jurisdictional advice for unemployed people, do community festivals - and the people buy it. It works. All in all, I wouldn't call all followers of the NPD as Neo-Nazis. And there are countries who have a much more severe problem with this, for example Russia (yes!): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBV3E8CnBew + Show Spoiler + When I first visited Berlin several years ago, I stood under the Brandenburger Tor, with a plaque detailing the glorious events of March 1848, supposed to remind us of the best political traditions of Germany's ancestors, in contrast to 1870 and 1933. The plaque commemorated Germany's first liberal-democrats, how they rose up for their rights against an authoritarian regime, how they for a wrinkle in time seized the destiny of the nation and seemed to propel it to a hopeful future. This is the kind of dogma, half naive, half ridiculous, which is being commonly propagated as "History" in Germany today, in classrooms, media and the popular imagination. The National Assembly which assembled in Frankfurt in 1848 eventually perished under the duress of its own national radicalism, and was forced to prostitute itself out to Frederick William IV, who wound up protecting his "democrats" from the people, but rightly refused to pick his crown up from the gutter. No one today will teach 1848 as an object lesson in the failures of historical German liberalism and constitutionalism, an episode whose multifaceted complexities, by the way, would have been more profoundly understood under the classical curricula of such authoritarian regimes as Bismarck's Prussia or Hitler's National Socialist Germany than by the historically tone-deaf people of today. It is being trumpeted as a milestone event in the progress of Germany because national curriculum of self-censorship has practically eradicated all other political achievements from German memory. It has painted the sweep of Germany with a broad brush and, while subscribing to the Sonderweg theory that all of Germany's history must be read under the dim shadow of the Third Reich, occasionally pretends to promote Germany's Western legacy by citing and mis-citing such episodes as the March Revolution or Operation Walküre. This kind of post ex-facto ideological manipulation exists all over the place. The German Biedermeier is more properly the teleological Vormärz, the War Credits vote of the SPD in 1914 is now seen as an departure from political norms in German history, rather than its conformity to it. This is all perhaps only ephemerally relevant to the issue at hand. Looking at the OP, however, and reading the report by the Friederich-Ebert-Stiftung, it's obvious that some things are being misrepresented. In the Spiegel-polls, the NDP does not command enough support to enter any State parliament in Germany apart from Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, where the polls show them at 6%. The Survey of the Friedrich-Ebert-Stiftung has a list of questions so leading, that sometimes an answer which reveals a discerning historical understanding will be registered ideologically as “Rechtsextrem” i.e. Question 1: Im nationalen Interesse ist unter bestimmten Umständen eine Diktatur die bessere Staatsform Quite apart from the fact that this question betrays a lack of understanding as to what Dictatorship is, a classical scholar who admires Sulla might agree to this statement, and be labelled an extremist. The leading clause is the stipulation “unter bestimmten Umständen,” which vastly inflates the number of people who will be labelled inaccurately. Question 2: Ohne Judenvernichtung würde man Hitler heute als großen Staatsmann ansehen. The leading aspect of this question is raised by its very hypothetical nature. You might as well ask if Hitler behaved as Mother Theresa, would he be seen as a saint today? The question is deliberately drawing on the great Hitler-biographer Joachim Fest's assertion in the introduction of his 1974 biography: Shall we call him great? Fest asserted in his biograhpy that had Hitler died in 1938, he would have gone down in history as the greatest of German statesmen, surpassing Bismarck. These are debatable, but not trivial postulations. Yet under the consideration of the F-E-Stiftung, a lifelong bourgeois conservative like Fest would have been labelled an extremist. The list goes on and on, deducing folly from folly. Finally all this “information” is reduced to a number ready for publication. After a long, exhaustive, methodological study, the final results conclude that the percentage of people holding extreme-right attitudes in Germany have grown from 6.6 percent to 15.8 percent. People are shocked. New resolutions are made from the left to accelerate the social and mental terraforming of the nation. We have to make German history even more mendacious and crude. We have to educate people better. We have to address socio-economic inequality. Call me old-fashioned, but I have a better thermometer of measuring the presence of extremism in modern life. I go on the internet and see which people are going into a crazed frenzy calling everything else extreme. This post was a highly enjoyable read, I recommend everyone read this before thinking too hard on the "evidence" presented in the OP. If people had to think about history on a deeper level than progress vs. reaction and freedom vs. tyranny and good vs. bad, they might start thinking about things today on a deeper level, and we can't have that. There are people to do that kind of thinking for us. The right kind of people. Academics, politicos, those kinds of people. | ||
lahara
Germany140 Posts
On November 13 2012 04:47 LoLAdriankat wrote: Show nested quote + On November 13 2012 04:36 lahara wrote: im a dedicated nazi and i have evry right to be (freedom of opinion, belief or ideology or whatever). the thing is how you define a nazi and what exact criteria must be fullfilled to qualify as a nazi. i consider myself a nazi but im not rasist or prejudiced. i go to an international school and have jewish friends. im a survey i would say im a nazi which i conside rmyself to be simply cause of the fact that a) it gives me a sense of belonging and b) im hoping to one day lead germany to former glory but this time with peaceful means and alot of flowerpower not sorry for my bad engliush because fuck you also an uprising is something different from a rise in the number of "nazis" in germany. stupid attention seekr thread -.- You're not a Nazi, you're a fascist/nationalist. are you trying to restrict my freedom of belief? | ||
Mortal
2943 Posts
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ACrow
Germany6583 Posts
On November 13 2012 04:43 cari-kira wrote: Show nested quote + On November 13 2012 04:15 ACrow wrote: On November 13 2012 04:08 cari-kira wrote: omg please.. a left wing company, calling themselves "foundation", but getting 150mio € every year from the taxpayer, try to make themselves look important and get even more money from the taxpayer. god, i wait for the day when people like that say:"ok, work is done, lets go home and do something other." instead they lift every stone and turn every stick to find the last nazi and to squeeze the last euro out of people who react to their scheme. i live in the city, in the rhein-main-area with 5.5 mio people for 20 years now, and i never saw or spoke to a nazi. and when 9% of the people are nazis, i couldn't care less, as long as they vote democratic. to the op: sorry, you have been tricked. the "friedrich ebert foundation" today released a book "Die Mitte im Umbruch" that tries to show that there are many, many nazis in germany. do you really expect a study from this organisation that shows, that there is _no_ nazi problem in germany? and your article and the book release today is too much of a coincidence for me to not notice. viral marketing for beginners? The Friedrich-Ebert-Stiftung is the SPD-near foundation for political education. There is one such foundation for every party in the parliament. They receive federal support due to law and are a part of our party system, they are not companies as you falsely claim. You of course have to be aware that they are not politically neutral and in fact some of the questions of their study are suggestive (especially the ones regarding immigrants are citicized), and their conclusion is a bit alarmistic to create attention, but the core conclusion that Nazi ideology is on the rise still stands and is something that we as a society should be aware of. "the core conclusion that Nazi ideology is on the rise still stands" what? i never heard any facts from you to come to a conclusion. try to troll somebody else. I meant the study's conclusion (http://www.fes-gegen-rechtsextremismus.de/pdf_12/mitte-im-umbruch_www.pdf) not mine, I thought that was clear by context. I'm not trying to troll, but rather wanted to correct your false claims. | ||
farvacola
United States18768 Posts
On November 13 2012 04:50 lahara wrote: Show nested quote + On November 13 2012 04:47 LoLAdriankat wrote: On November 13 2012 04:36 lahara wrote: im a dedicated nazi and i have evry right to be (freedom of opinion, belief or ideology or whatever). the thing is how you define a nazi and what exact criteria must be fullfilled to qualify as a nazi. i consider myself a nazi but im not rasist or prejudiced. i go to an international school and have jewish friends. im a survey i would say im a nazi which i conside rmyself to be simply cause of the fact that a) it gives me a sense of belonging and b) im hoping to one day lead germany to former glory but this time with peaceful means and alot of flowerpower not sorry for my bad engliush because fuck you also an uprising is something different from a rise in the number of "nazis" in germany. stupid attention seekr thread -.- You're not a Nazi, you're a fascist/nationalist. are you trying to restrict my freedom of belief? No, he's attempting to understand why you are so infatuated with a word as opposed to the ideas that word might represent to you. | ||
AngryMag
Germany1040 Posts
On November 13 2012 04:45 GGTeMpLaR wrote: Just curious to what extent are they Neo-Nazis? Just embracing the political ideology of fascism or is this including all of the racist eugenic nationalism? If you speak of the 9% mentioned in the OP, actually neither. In reality on federal level we have between 2-3% of the voters who believe in these ideas. It is hard to say who of them believes in fascism or eugenics as they do not reveal their "real" thoughts to the public or the official authorities. The rest of the 9% is pulled out of thin air. | ||
SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
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ACrow
Germany6583 Posts
On November 13 2012 04:48 EtherealBlade wrote: Show nested quote + On November 13 2012 04:40 esperanto wrote: On November 13 2012 04:08 cari-kira wrote: omg please.. a left wing company, calling themselves "foundation", but getting 150mio € every year from the taxpayer, try to make themselves look important and get even more money from the taxpayer. god, i wait for the day when people like that say:"ok, work is done, lets go home and do something other." instead they lift every stone and turn every stick to find the last nazi and to squeeze the last euro out of people who react to their scheme. i live in the city, in the rhein-main-area with 5.5 mio people for 20 years now, and i never saw or spoke to a nazi. and when 9% of the people are nazis, i couldn't care less, as long as they vote democratic. to the op: sorry, you have been tricked. the "friedrich ebert foundation" today released a book "Die Mitte im Umbruch" that tries to show that there are many, many nazis in germany. do you really expect a study from this organisation that shows, that there is _no_ nazi problem in germany? and your article and the book release today is too much of a coincidence for me to not notice. viral marketing for beginners? They get just as much money as the "Konrad Adenauer Stiftung" the conservative counterpart and they do really important work all over the world. The tax-payers money they have is actually spent on the scolarships they give to students. And they actually pump alot of their own money in these scolarships. (I doubt the study was even paid by tax-payers money at all.) And they didnt "turn every stone", they made a poll and made a statistic. The questions they asked are shown in the report, so are the answers. Thats all. If you want to close your eyes, thats only your problem. Really man, how much hate do you have in yourself? Just because the FES is slighly left-leaning? If they waste millions of Euros, only to come up with something ridiculous like this "survey" or similar "researches" that basically calls 9 out of 100 Germans NSDAP believers, then the foundation should close down immediately and it's funding be reallocated elsewhere. Not necessarily NSDAP believers, but voters that might sympathize with the NPD. As mentioned, this foundation is close to the SPD, similar foundations exist for every larger party in Germany and are part of our party system. | ||
lahara
Germany140 Posts
On November 13 2012 04:51 farvacola wrote: Show nested quote + On November 13 2012 04:50 lahara wrote: On November 13 2012 04:47 LoLAdriankat wrote: On November 13 2012 04:36 lahara wrote: im a dedicated nazi and i have evry right to be (freedom of opinion, belief or ideology or whatever). the thing is how you define a nazi and what exact criteria must be fullfilled to qualify as a nazi. i consider myself a nazi but im not rasist or prejudiced. i go to an international school and have jewish friends. im a survey i would say im a nazi which i conside rmyself to be simply cause of the fact that a) it gives me a sense of belonging and b) im hoping to one day lead germany to former glory but this time with peaceful means and alot of flowerpower not sorry for my bad engliush because fuck you also an uprising is something different from a rise in the number of "nazis" in germany. stupid attention seekr thread -.- You're not a Nazi, you're a fascist/nationalist. are you trying to restrict my freedom of belief? No, he's attempting to understand why you are so infatuated with a word as opposed to the ideas that word might represent to you. oh ok thats cool then. so how does it help him understand when he simply states i am not what i am convinced i am? | ||
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