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Didn't saw it coming (or is it 'see' ?), but not surprised. At least it's cool to see they Alex admit that part of his prime was when he used and abused an imbalanced build (I remember him slumping a bit after it wasn't good anymore).
And for all the machine/idra/incontrol haters, if I follow your logic, EG has to release their entire sc2 team. Haters gonna hate anyway. And maybe you didn't realised that maybe they accepted a new contract with less salary because of results, unlike Puma.
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On March 15 2013 14:18 ILouieI wrote: i'd pick him over incontrol
Sad, but true
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i dont like this becose :
idra is slumping yet i dont think his contract gets lower . when a player is slumping you help him not force him ... for idra you get a sport psihologist . for puma you lower his income rly ?? i start hating eg now
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On March 15 2013 16:49 NexCa wrote:Sad, but true
As a player, sure but Incontrol has other qualities which a savvy business like EG value.
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On March 15 2013 16:49 xsnac wrote: i dont like this becose :
idra is slumping yet i dont think his contract gets lower . when a player is slumping you help him not force him ... for idra you get a sport psihologist . for puma you lower his income rly ?? i start hating eg now You don't know if Idra has taken a salary cut due to performance. Last I checked EG, nor does any team, have to make a big post about cutting contracts with certain players. You even say your self you're unsure. Idra got the sport psychologist due to his rage/leaving games early. Not because he was in a slump.
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Since they mention statistics, idra/machine/huk/thorzain have all done worst than puma in the past year...soo...?
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well good luck for eg and puma. the upside, maybe we see demuslim in proleague, in my eyes the most underrated eg member.
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Yet they keep the ever underperforming Huk, incontrol, and idra lol. I guess you can't beat that stream viewership , doesn't matter how many results those guys put up, they will still get paid more than the koreans that are way better.
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On March 15 2013 16:47 Sakray wrote: And for all the machine/idra/incontrol haters, if I follow your logic, EG has to release their entire sc2 team. Haters gonna hate anyway.
That's not our logic, it's what they want us to believe is their logic. I don't hate idra, machine or incontrol. But PuMa has had better results in a month than these three had over their entire SC2 career. EG wants entertainers, not players.
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On March 15 2013 16:55 Sc2Null wrote: Since they mention statistics, idra/machine/huk/thorzain have all done worst than puma in the past year...soo...? I feel too many people aren't reading the entire OP and just jumping on the idea of "Puma cut because not doing good"
OP states that Puma was one of their highest paid Korean players, he was offered a smaller contract due to performance and said no. Thus resulting in the two splitting ways. Once again when bringing in other people on EG, you don't know how much anyone is getting contract wise. Perhaps EG offered them smaller contracts because of performance? And perhaps they took the offer! EG doesn't have to do a press release every time they renegotiate contracts with their players. It's not rocket science folks.
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On March 15 2013 16:57 blackone wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 16:47 Sakray wrote: And for all the machine/idra/incontrol haters, if I follow your logic, EG has to release their entire sc2 team. Haters gonna hate anyway. That's not our logic, it's what they want us to believe is their logic. I don't hate idra, machine or incontrol. But PuMa has had better results in a month than these three had over their entire SC2 career. EG wants entertainers, not players.
Yep. A lot of teams do. Why do you think casters even get sponsorships? Because they're about to win WCG in their spare time?
But hey. It's TL so "Burn the witch" "Down with money" "I hate foreigners" etc.
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Fair enough. He'll find a new team soon, I think. Probably a foreign team again...
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guess they dont have infinite money after all? gl in the future puma, i really enjoyed watching you at the IEMs you attented
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Regardless of people's opinion on it, I'm pretty thankful for EG to provide such clarity on why he was released. If more teams followed this instead of "amicably parted ways and wish each other the best" there would be much less dirtsheets and speculation in the community.
I hope Puma finds his way, as much as I hated what he did to the ladder as a Protoss player, I have to respect his accomplishments.
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So basically results only matter if you're Korean....
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PuMa was my idol from NASL1, and was the model for Terran for me when I first started playing. Even though he is gone from EG, I hope he finds his way -- he is a talented player, and under the right hands, could be one of the greatest. I hope he finds his way back to that form.
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On March 15 2013 16:55 Sc2Null wrote: Since they mention statistics, idra/machine/huk/thorzain have all done worst than puma in the past year...soo...?
I'm going to assume they were paying Puma a lot more than those players, especially from what was said in the article.
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On March 15 2013 16:45 Phobbers wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 16:30 Canucklehead wrote:On March 15 2013 15:02 Sikly wrote:On March 15 2013 14:58 damahammer wrote: seems like being Flash's practice partner is not enough :D i think ppl overhyped this guy Well, he won three tournies, placed second and third at multiple other tournies. When he was at the top he was probably the most threatening player in the world at foreign tournies. Seems like he was pretty appropriately hyped to me, but what do I know! What you need to know is the level of competition puma faced at those foreign tournaments. He was one of the first koreans to join a foreign team, so was afforded the opportunity to go to a lot of foreign tourneys, which is an opportunity most koreans never got back then. Once more top tier koreans started going to those events, his results started disappearing at foreign tourneys. Puma was always overhyped due to his foreign tourney wins and the artosis hype of proclaiming him a practice bonjwa. I'm sorry, but if you can't even qualify for GSL even once in your entire career, then you were never one of the top players in the game by korean standards. You can't compare the koreans to the non koreans in terms of value in eg. Jaedong is a huge name from bw, so even if he's not winning, he still brings the team value and exposure. JYP, Puma, Revival only bring them exposure based on their results. If they're not winning then the exposure isn't as good because they don't do ads, they don't stream, they don't do live on three, etc. Idra can lose all day and everyday, but his fanbase is huge, so he doesn't need to win another game in his career and his fanbase will still be there to see him rage and be on shows and stuff. Yeah, it's not like he ever played against any top koreans at the tournies he was in. He only beat this scrub MC a few times to take two golds, lost to him to get a silver. Beat this terrible guy named Hero once to get a gold, lost to him as well for a silver. Took out some pretty terrible Koreans as well on his road to multiple top 8 finishes. I mean Puma wasn't a god, far from it. But he was a hell of player. During his prime, definitely a top player.
Puma was on the rise before joining EG. I remember that he made me some points in the fantasy GSTL, before EG took him (and I still hate EG for that, because the player I traded puma for was a guy named Huk...). Then he proceed to ride on a good 1-1-1 to win some foreign tourneys (as only MC and Hero could afford them at thoses times). He got stuck in code B for 2 years (I think he's the best player that didn't managed to get at least once to code A after multiple attempts), and I don't think he will ever again do a run as good as his NASL 1 run. His prime was over pretty much the day he joined EG, because objectively his best achivements (as in "beat a lot of good people", not "winning some tourneys") were before (but remeber correlation doesn't mean causation).
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People think they will release Idra when he's got 4,000+ stream viewers at any moment?
Keep dreaming!
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