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On September 06 2013 01:28 Jer99 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2013 01:23 RiSkysc2 wrote: Jaedong > Taeja. A little TL bias going on? I disagree. If they had met in either finals, Taeja would have crushed JD Taeja would have crushed JD in any tournament, any round. Partially Terran op, partially jd kinda terrible in z vt. Frankly, JD got lucky in those tournaments by avoiding strong T, which by the way there's a lot. I doubt he could make out of Scarlett's group.
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On September 06 2013 01:28 Jer99 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2013 01:23 RiSkysc2 wrote: Jaedong > Taeja. A little TL bias going on? I disagree. If they had met in either finals, Taeja would have crushed JD
I don't think this rank is about who beat who, but who have done better this month... And JD has done better than Taeja in my opinion.
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Canada8157 Posts
On September 06 2013 01:35 Mocking wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2013 01:28 Jer99 wrote:On September 06 2013 01:23 RiSkysc2 wrote: Jaedong > Taeja. A little TL bias going on? I disagree. If they had met in either finals, Taeja would have crushed JD I don't think this rank is about who beat who, but who have done better this month... And JD has done better than Taeja in my opinion.
In terms of placings, Jaedong definitely did better then taeja, but Taeja did much better vs those opponents (3-2 loss to bomber and polt compared to jaedongs 4-0 losses)
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On September 05 2013 10:06 lichter wrote: I have no complaints about this Power Rank.
He got to Finals twice.
WCS AM and WCS World.
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On September 06 2013 01:41 Jer99 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2013 01:35 Mocking wrote:On September 06 2013 01:28 Jer99 wrote:On September 06 2013 01:23 RiSkysc2 wrote: Jaedong > Taeja. A little TL bias going on? I disagree. If they had met in either finals, Taeja would have crushed JD I don't think this rank is about who beat who, but who have done better this month... And JD has done better than Taeja in my opinion. In terms of placings, Jaedong definitely did better then taeja, but Taeja did much better vs those opponents (3-2 loss to bomber and polt compared to jaedongs 4-0 losses) Still, JD have done better in this month.
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Canada8157 Posts
You aren't taking into account the difficulty of opponents, taeja had much harder players to face IMO which is why he is above JD and I think overall played a lot better too.
That's the last point I have
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Russian Federation117 Posts
I could see how difficult it was for the writer to pick 2-8.
Seriously, with the results like these it looked like "okay we've got these 8 players let's randompick 'em into our chart".
Tbh, even Bomber's place on top is a bit shaky with his close series with Scarlett. If it'd be me highlighting a person that'd be definitely Scarlett with her very impressive play.
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I guess the new purpose of the power rank is to put recent results into context and to provide more narrative/story to the scene? (this would be why the only people that are in the power rank are the ones that did well at recent tournaments) This is a bit different from a power rank that's supposed to highlight the best players though. Because when TL did power ranks for SC2 tournaments it was more about the strongest players going into the tournament.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On September 06 2013 01:05 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2013 23:08 Figgy wrote: Innovation below Polt and First??
This about this honestly:
You have to bet your life on one player to take the next WCS championship.
Which one would YOU bet your life on?
I think most people would agree while Innovation has lost a step, he surely hasn't lost 7. Well, Polt at least managed to beat Naniwa so I guess I'd bet on him to win =D
Stop being so biased yo, Naniwa told us to stop.
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On September 06 2013 01:23 RiSkysc2 wrote: Jaedong > Taeja. A little TL bias going on?
No, I agree with the Power Rank. Taeja has been really hot. Taeja has played more games (45-20), has won way more games, and has beaten more top opponents -- granted, most of their major wins were vs protoss, but Taeja has beaten top Protoss convincingly in a match-up that Terrans have struggled in recently. The wins however just weren't at the right juncture of a tournament. All Jaedong has over Taeja are the second place finishes where the 0-4's really hurt him. Taeja lost to the same opponents, but went the distance narrowly losing both 2-3.
Maru on the other hand, I would have definitely put Jaedong ahead of.
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On September 06 2013 00:49 Mocking wrote: Wow, I can't agree a lot . My god, why soulkey is there? Why Parting is there? Scarlett have done way better than both of them in this month, even Naniwa i would agree more than both of them. Bomber first i agree. Taeja 2nd? Why he is there? yeah he show to us amazing games, but he didn't accomplished nothing. JD I would put him perhaps a little better, but is fine. Maru have won WCS korea, but in WCS finals he get crushed, so #3 is ok. And duckdeock deserve more than Parting the #10 but not that much...
On September 06 2013 00:50 Mocking wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2013 00:44 Darkhoarse wrote:On September 05 2013 23:11 Figgy wrote:On September 05 2013 11:35 Delorean80 wrote: I do not undersand.
So Scarlett cannot enter the Top10 after making Top4 in WCS AM beating Hero, Revival and Alive, only losing in a close 2-3 to Jaedong (Your Top4) in a tournament where also competed the likes of Taeja, Polt, Ryung... Then she makes Top8 in the season finals, beating MMA and Maru (current GSL champion and your Top3), then again only losing in a close 2-3 against the eventual champion Bomber (your Top1). And all of this "At a time when all Zergs are struggling" in you own words.
Sorry, it simply doesnt make any sense to me. I really have to quote this. Scarletts only losses were against top koreans, and she had some amazing runs. She absolutely deserves top 10 this time around, especially after her astounding ZvT. She may have the best ZvT in the world at the moment, I wouldn't take that lightly. Her ZvT is good, but have you met Soulkey? Innovation has, was easy.
Please, Pleaaaase get some knowledge of the scene, its (very recent) history (by that I mainly mean players' records and run in tournaments, nothing else) and how seeding is working for the WCS system before saying utter bullshit like this.
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On September 06 2013 02:06 Jer99 wrote: You aren't taking into account the difficulty of opponents, taeja had much harder players to face IMO which is why he is above JD and I think overall played a lot better too.
That's the last point I have
Difficulty? Well as i well remember JD have beaten all the top protoss in the world, Naniwa, First, Rain, opponents who could have beaten any player that taeja have take out.
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On September 06 2013 03:06 FakePseudo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2013 00:49 Mocking wrote: Wow, I can't agree a lot . My god, why soulkey is there? Why Parting is there? Scarlett have done way better than both of them in this month, even Naniwa i would agree more than both of them. Bomber first i agree. Taeja 2nd? Why he is there? yeah he show to us amazing games, but he didn't accomplished nothing. JD I would put him perhaps a little better, but is fine. Maru have won WCS korea, but in WCS finals he get crushed, so #3 is ok. And duckdeock deserve more than Parting the #10 but not that much... Show nested quote +On September 06 2013 00:50 Mocking wrote:On September 06 2013 00:44 Darkhoarse wrote:On September 05 2013 23:11 Figgy wrote:On September 05 2013 11:35 Delorean80 wrote: I do not undersand.
So Scarlett cannot enter the Top10 after making Top4 in WCS AM beating Hero, Revival and Alive, only losing in a close 2-3 to Jaedong (Your Top4) in a tournament where also competed the likes of Taeja, Polt, Ryung... Then she makes Top8 in the season finals, beating MMA and Maru (current GSL champion and your Top3), then again only losing in a close 2-3 against the eventual champion Bomber (your Top1). And all of this "At a time when all Zergs are struggling" in you own words.
Sorry, it simply doesnt make any sense to me. I really have to quote this. Scarletts only losses were against top koreans, and she had some amazing runs. She absolutely deserves top 10 this time around, especially after her astounding ZvT. She may have the best ZvT in the world at the moment, I wouldn't take that lightly. Her ZvT is good, but have you met Soulkey? Innovation has, was easy. Please, Pleaaaase get some knowledge of the scene, its (very recent) history (by that I mainly mean players' records and run in tournaments, nothing else) and how seeding is working for the WCS system before saying utter bullshit like this.
I have only said that because he was saying soulkey ZvT is better tha scarlett, but i can't agree if that, Scarlett prove that she is one of the strongest players to take the title of the best ZvT in the world as Soulkey can have that title too. And this rank is avaliating the best performances of the month. Are you going to say to me that Soulkey had a better performance than scarlett this month? A lot of players would say no. I'm not saying that scarlett or naniwa are better than soulkey, he did won the hardest tournament in the world, but as I have said before, not this month.
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On September 06 2013 05:00 Mocking wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2013 03:06 FakePseudo wrote:On September 06 2013 00:49 Mocking wrote: Wow, I can't agree a lot . My god, why soulkey is there? Why Parting is there? Scarlett have done way better than both of them in this month, even Naniwa i would agree more than both of them. Bomber first i agree. Taeja 2nd? Why he is there? yeah he show to us amazing games, but he didn't accomplished nothing. JD I would put him perhaps a little better, but is fine. Maru have won WCS korea, but in WCS finals he get crushed, so #3 is ok. And duckdeock deserve more than Parting the #10 but not that much... On September 06 2013 00:50 Mocking wrote:On September 06 2013 00:44 Darkhoarse wrote:On September 05 2013 23:11 Figgy wrote:On September 05 2013 11:35 Delorean80 wrote: I do not undersand.
So Scarlett cannot enter the Top10 after making Top4 in WCS AM beating Hero, Revival and Alive, only losing in a close 2-3 to Jaedong (Your Top4) in a tournament where also competed the likes of Taeja, Polt, Ryung... Then she makes Top8 in the season finals, beating MMA and Maru (current GSL champion and your Top3), then again only losing in a close 2-3 against the eventual champion Bomber (your Top1). And all of this "At a time when all Zergs are struggling" in you own words.
Sorry, it simply doesnt make any sense to me. I really have to quote this. Scarletts only losses were against top koreans, and she had some amazing runs. She absolutely deserves top 10 this time around, especially after her astounding ZvT. She may have the best ZvT in the world at the moment, I wouldn't take that lightly. Her ZvT is good, but have you met Soulkey? Innovation has, was easy. Please, Pleaaaase get some knowledge of the scene, its (very recent) history (by that I mainly mean players' records and run in tournaments, nothing else) and how seeding is working for the WCS system before saying utter bullshit like this. I have only said that because he was saying soulkey ZvT is better tha scarlett, but i can't agree if that, Scarlett prove that she is one of the strongest players to take the title of the best ZvT in the world as Soulkey can have that title too. And this rank is avaliating the best performances of the month. Are you going to say to me that Soulkey had a better performance than scarlett this month? A lot of players would say no. I'm not saying that scarlett or naniwa are better than soulkey, he did won the hardest tournament in the world, but as I have said before, not this month.
This month, Soulkey didn't lose a serie to anybody else than innovation an a supernova probably at its hottest in a while. That's it. Period. This guy is a rock and has had the most consistent good results on HoTS. And please, if you didn't already, get some knowledge about the current state of TvZ and particularly Innovation v Z. Your comment on innovation 3-0ing soulkey (in close fought fashion imho) was nothing but stupid doucheyness.
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On September 06 2013 02:33 Grumbels wrote: I guess the new purpose of the power rank is to put recent results into context and to provide more narrative/story to the scene? (this would be why the only people that are in the power rank are the ones that did well at recent tournaments) This is a bit different from a power rank that's supposed to highlight the best players though. Because when TL did power ranks for SC2 tournaments it was more about the strongest players going into the tournament.
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Power Ranks have always been about results and beauty of play. Since the BW days.
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On September 06 2013 05:40 Caladan wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2013 02:33 Grumbels wrote: I guess the new purpose of the power rank is to put recent results into context and to provide more narrative/story to the scene? (this would be why the only people that are in the power rank are the ones that did well at recent tournaments) This is a bit different from a power rank that's supposed to highlight the best players though. Because when TL did power ranks for SC2 tournaments it was more about the strongest players going into the tournament. ? Power Ranks have always been about results and beauty of play. Since the BW days.
He's talking about the MLG PR we had a while ago and other Sc2 PRs we sometimes had for some events.
But in a way, BW PRs used to be more stable, on the one hand BW scene was a bit less volatile but I feel there's also some kind of editorial choices that have been made recently that impacts the stability and overall meaning of the PRs we get now.
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taeja at no2? funny...
maybe he would win against jd but he would not win against players JD crushed...
i really hope that taeja is not at no2 just because he is from liquid.. but again, i can't see another reason why he is where he is.. his performance is not no2, not even in a dream..
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On September 06 2013 06:13 purgerinho wrote: taeja at no2? funny...
maybe he would win against jd but he would not win against players JD crushed...
i really hope that taeja is not at no2 just because he is from liquid.. but again, i can't see another reason why he is where he is.. his performance is not no2, not even in a dream.. Taeja beat Rain, who also lost to JD
Do you really think Taeja isn't able to beat Naniwa, First, MC or Jim and Scarlett? He'd be favorite against all of them
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On September 05 2013 13:36 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2013 11:52 Superiorwolf wrote: Honestly if Scarlett was Korean she probably would have been placed by the writers in 6th or 7th place. I'd argue this month she had more impressive performances than a lot of those players above that. joke post
it was a great post.. scarlett won against top korean terrans in august.. if she was korean she would be in top10, that is not in question..
PR shoould have some points system.. points for tournament placements, points for streaks, points for wins etc.
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Bomber deserves that #1 spot more than anyone else.
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