On March 17 2015 22:33 The_Red_Viper wrote: Could you pls link that fight? i probably think of another one Oo
Actually rewatched the ending, they "postpone" it and Vegeta then knocks him out <.<.
Haha yeah i thought so. Not sure if that counts as winning though (maybe?)
Well in terms of Maru vs Dream, Maru being Goku and Dream being Vegeta, I guess this would mean Dream would cheese game 7 and walk away with the trophy, wouldn't it?
Edit: After game 7 ends in a draw the first time, obviously <.<
People don't take into account this is Dreams first major finals.
Maru has massive advantage in experience. Maru has a superior record. Maru has the cuddle-factor. Maru has the unpredictability of sick series planning. Dream has Innovation who is probably a slightly better practice partner. Dream has the advantage of not having travelled to IEM this week.
Haha yeah i thought so. Not sure if that counts as winning though (maybe?)
Well in terms of Maru vs Dream, Maru being Goku and Dream being Vegeta, I guess this would mean Dream would cheese game 7 and walk away with the trophy, wouldn't it?
I guess^^ So that probably means that Dream and Maru will make an archon mode team in LOTV
On March 17 2015 22:44 SC2Toastie wrote: People don't take into account this is Dreams first major finals.
Maru has massive advantage in experience. Maru has a superior record. Maru has the cuddle-factor. Maru has the unpredictability of sick series planning. Dream has Innovation who is probably a slightly better practice partner. Dream has the advantage of not having travelled to IEM this week.
4-2 maths provesed its.
I think someone who shows no nerves against Life shows no nerves against Maru, to be honest. And Dream also has shown to be very good at preparation. I won't deny any of your other points though.
On March 17 2015 22:44 SC2Toastie wrote: People don't take into account this is Dreams first major finals.
Maru has massive advantage in experience. Maru has a superior record. Maru has the cuddle-factor. Maru has the unpredictability of sick series planning. Dream has Innovation who is probably a slightly better practice partner. Dream has the advantage of not having travelled to IEM this week.
4-2 maths provesed its.
I think someone who shows no nerves against Life shows no nerves against Maru, to be honest. And Dream also has shown to be very good at preparation. I won't deny any of your other points though.
Tbh, I think the 82.5% win chance Aligulac gives Maru is way too high <.< I don't really care which of the two wins, they both deserve it, may the better kid win <.<
On March 17 2015 22:58 Elentos wrote: Tbh, I think the 82.5% win chance Aligulac gives Maru is way too high <.< I don't really care which of the two wins, they both deserve it, may the better kid win <.<
Dream has historically a very bad TvT record, that's the whole reason he is rated so low here. I don't think this is a good indicator to current form at all though, should be pretty 50:50 tbh
On March 17 2015 22:58 Elentos wrote: Tbh, I think the 82.5% win chance Aligulac gives Maru is way too high <.< I don't really care which of the two wins, they both deserve it, may the better kid win <.<
Dream has historically a very bad TvT record, that's the whole reason he is rated so low here. I don't think this is a good indicator to current form at all though, should be pretty 50:50 tbh
Maru is 7-3 in his last 10 TvTs, Dream is 7-5 in his last 12, who knows, Maru might also be 7-5 if he'd played the same number of games. And Dream beat him the last time they played. So IMO 55-45 is the highest reasonable thing in a mirror between the two.
And yeah, Dream's TvT is extremely pathetic historically. However, I had Aligulac do inference for Flash vs Dream, Cure vs Dream and INnoVation vs Dream. Flash got 67% in a bo7 (with the best historical TvT record of the 5), Cure got 68% (despite being in far better TvT shape than any of the others) and INnoVation got 81% (despite it being his worst MU). So really, I'm not sure how that happened.
On March 17 2015 22:58 Elentos wrote: Tbh, I think the 82.5% win chance Aligulac gives Maru is way too high <.< I don't really care which of the two wins, they both deserve it, may the better kid win <.<
Dream has historically a very bad TvT record, that's the whole reason he is rated so low here. I don't think this is a good indicator to current form at all though, should be pretty 50:50 tbh
Maru is 7-3 in his last 10 TvTs, Dream is 7-5 in his last 12, who knows, Maru might also be 7-5 if he'd played the same number of games. And Dream beat him the last time they played. So IMO 55-45 is the highest reasonable thing in a mirror between the two.
And yeah, Dream's TvT is extremely pathetic historically. However, I had Aligulac do inference for Flash vs Dream, Cure vs Dream and INnoVation vs Dream. Flash got 67% in a bo7 (with the best historical TvT record of the 5), Cure got 68% (despite being in far better TvT shape than any of the others) and INnoVation got 81% (despite it being his worst MU). So really, I'm not sure how that happened.
I think it just uses the current tvt elo to calculate the chance.
On March 17 2015 22:58 Elentos wrote: Tbh, I think the 82.5% win chance Aligulac gives Maru is way too high <.< I don't really care which of the two wins, they both deserve it, may the better kid win <.<
Dream has historically a very bad TvT record, that's the whole reason he is rated so low here. I don't think this is a good indicator to current form at all though, should be pretty 50:50 tbh
Maru is 7-3 in his last 10 TvTs, Dream is 7-5 in his last 12, who knows, Maru might also be 7-5 if he'd played the same number of games. And Dream beat him the last time they played. So IMO 55-45 is the highest reasonable thing in a mirror between the two.
And yeah, Dream's TvT is extremely pathetic historically. However, I had Aligulac do inference for Flash vs Dream, Cure vs Dream and INnoVation vs Dream. Flash got 67% in a bo7 (with the best historical TvT record of the 5), Cure got 68% (despite being in far better TvT shape than any of the others) and INnoVation got 81% (despite it being his worst MU). So really, I'm not sure how that happened.
I think it just uses the current tvt elo to calculate the chance.
That's what it looks like, yes. ForGG is apparently a 91% favourite against Dream. But for INnoVation and Maru, imo the ELO isn't that accurate. INno hasn't really played that many TvTs since winning GSL. His TvT looked on point then, but he got royally schooled by MMA this season. Also losing to PartinG has somehow lowered MMA's TvT ELO. Don't ask me how, Aligulac said so.
After holding the terran flag single-handedly throughout 2014 in Korea, I think it's time Maru win a championship. This kid deserve it more than any other terran.