[Code A] Day 6 Season 2 2015 - Page 31
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Olli
Austria24413 Posts
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Poopfeast 024
Gambia437 Posts
On April 10 2015 23:58 GumBa wrote: What happened to this thread? well 2 players getting 3-0'd on changed maps that would have been 3-0'd on any map anyway and some insulting on twitter could only fuel so much debate, in case you're disappointed that the discussion is getting slow and tired | ||
Elisse
Belgium5 Posts
On April 10 2015 23:39 Exstasy wrote: This I don't get at all. Why would viewers not just want to see the highest level of play? For the same reason the majority of people still prefer to watch their local football club play over watching the Champion's League, despite the superior quality of play in the latter. For a scene/game to stay alive the average viewer needs local heroes to root for, and needs a lure for players to attempt making it to the level where it becomes financially interesting. I think the impact of that shouldn't be underestimated. As such it made sense for Blizzard to regionlock WCS, they need the local scene to stay alive rather than dominated by second-tier Koreans to keep selling their game & brand. They're still a business, not a charity. | ||
Deathstar
9150 Posts
On April 11 2015 00:01 Elisse wrote: For the same reason the majority of people still prefer to watch their local football club play over watching the Champion's League, despite the superior quality of play in the latter. For a scene/game to stay alive the average viewer needs local heroes to root for, and needs a lure for players to attempt making it to the level where it becomes financially interesting. I think the impact of that shouldn't be underestimated. As such it made sense for Blizzard to regionlock WCS, they need the local scene to stay alive rather than dominated by second-tier Koreans to keep selling their game & brand. They're still a business, not a charity. lol who cares about some local football game besides the players' family members? | ||
OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On April 10 2015 23:55 Nebuchad wrote: You're confusing taste and quality here. Diversity happens in what you like, and falls under the first category. Quality really doesn't. Haven't you ever heard a commercial song that you enjoyed, or heard classical music that just got you bored? Haven't you ever watched a movie that doesn't make a lot of sense and that you enjoyed anyways? Haven't you ever watched a very smart, very competently made TV show, that you had no interest in? Well taste is what a given individual considers to be good, as in "of good quality", isn't it? I have no shame in admitting that I consider classical music to be bad, that is my taste, and that is also my opinion. It is neither wrong nor right, or more precisely it is "right" for me and probably other ppl too, and "wrong" for other people. When I watch and enjoy a stupid movie, it is because I consider it good, unless I'm a masochist and like to watch things I dislike. And that common judgement that there are things that are systematically of good quality, like classical music, fine wine or small independant movies, and that there are things that are systematically of bad quality, like violent electronic music, cheap beer or big blockbuster movies, is a cultural and societal construction that people use to judge people based on their taste, and thus their opinions. And also to make some ppl feel better about watching popular, mass-oriented shit under the silly reason that "it's so bad that it's enjoyable, but really, it isn't me having shitty taste, you know", i guess. | ||
Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
On April 10 2015 23:58 GumBa wrote: What happened to this thread? Two 3-0s on changed maps and patched maps for players who get 3-0 anyways. Then the sault came and then the twitter fight against foreigners who have to pray for Blizzgods because sense. In the End someone bought a Team of Koreans who cant compete in Korea and became irrelevant after WCS Change and now these players get transformed to some RPG-Streaming-Machines. But hey, lets bash foreigners who have these teamhouses, these coaches and the korean server to train each day. And earn enough to do so and not to starve. | ||
Nebuchad
Switzerland11360 Posts
On April 11 2015 00:01 Elisse wrote: For the same reason the majority of people still prefer to watch their local football club play over watching the Champion's League, despite the superior quality of play in the latter. For a scene/game to stay alive the average viewer needs local heroes to root for, and needs a lure for players to attempt making it to the level where it becomes financially interesting. I think the impact of that shouldn't be underestimated. As such it made sense for Blizzard to regionlock WCS, they need the local scene to stay alive rather than dominated by second-tier Koreans to keep selling their game & brand. They're still a business, not a charity. Local heroes are from a country. [non-Korea] isn't a country. | ||
OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On April 10 2015 23:58 GumBa wrote: What happened to this thread? The world is in shambles since the Machine failed | ||
TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On April 11 2015 00:06 Clonester wrote: Two 3-0s on changed maps and patched maps for players who get 3-0 anyways. Then the sault came and then the twitter fight against foreigners who have to pray for Blizzgods because sense. In the End someone bought a Team of Koreans who cant compete in Korea and became irrelevant after WCS Change and now these players get transformed to some RPG-Streaming-Machines. But hey, lets bash foreigners who have these teamhouses, these coaches and the korean server to train each day. And earn enough to do so and not to starve. If being a moron was competitive, you'd be Code S champion. | ||
Elisse
Belgium5 Posts
On April 11 2015 00:04 Deathstar wrote: lol who cares about some local football game besides the players' family members? I seriously doubt the 30-40k people filling the local stadiums every week and the hundreds of thousands watching on tv are all family-related to the players | ||
GumBa
United Kingdom31934 Posts
On April 11 2015 00:00 DarkLordOlli wrote: This is what happens when you get banned Gumba. Darkness. I will be more careful in future. I must hold back the Darkness with every fiber of my being. | ||
Deathstar
9150 Posts
On April 11 2015 00:09 Elisse wrote: I seriously doubt the 30-40k people filling the local stadiums every week and the hundreds of thousands watching on tv are all family-related to the players local = ? | ||
shockaslim
United States1102 Posts
On April 11 2015 00:06 Clonester wrote: Two 3-0s on changed maps and patched maps for players who get 3-0 anyways. Then the sault came and then the twitter fight against foreigners who have to pray for Blizzgods because sense. In the End someone bought a Team of Koreans who cant compete in Korea and became irrelevant after WCS Change and now these players get transformed to some RPG-Streaming-Machines. But hey, lets bash foreigners who have these teamhouses, these coaches and the korean server to train each day. And earn enough to do so and not to starve. Dude, at least keep it real. Ryung probably would have gotten smoked, but Impact had a legit shot. | ||
Nebuchad
Switzerland11360 Posts
On April 11 2015 00:05 OtherWorld wrote: Well taste is what a given individual considers to be good, as in "of good quality", isn't it? I have no shame in admitting that I consider classical music to be bad, that is my taste, and that is also my opinion. It is neither wrong nor right, or more precisely it is "right" for me and probably other ppl too, and "wrong" for other people. When I watch and enjoy a stupid movie, it is because I consider it good, unless I'm a masochist and like to watch things I dislike. And that common judgement that there are things that are systematically of good quality, like classical music, fine wine or small independant movies, and that there are things that are systematically of bad quality, like violent electronic music, cheap beer or big blockbuster movies, is a cultural and societal construction that people use to judge people based on their taste, and thus their opinions. And also to make some ppl feel better about watching popular, mass-oriented shit under the silly reason that "it's so bad that it's enjoyable, but really, it isn't me having shitty taste, you know", i guess. I'm going to PM (as I should have already) but you're still confusing taste and quality here. | ||
showstealer1829
Australia3123 Posts
On April 11 2015 00:06 Clonester wrote: Two 3-0s on changed maps and patched maps for players who get 3-0 anyways. Then the sault came and then the twitter fight against foreigners who have to pray for Blizzgods because sense. In the End someone bought a Team of Koreans who cant compete in Korea and became irrelevant after WCS Change and now these players get transformed to some RPG-Streaming-Machines. But hey, lets bash foreigners who have these teamhouses, these coaches and the korean server to train each day. And earn enough to do so and not to starve. Again I would just love to see the reaction had this happened to Snute or TLO and not Impact.. | ||
deacon.frost
Czech Republic12116 Posts
On April 11 2015 00:15 showstealer1829 wrote: Again I would just love to see the reaction had this happened to Snute or TLO and not Impact.. Well I am pretty sure Nazghul would be much calmer | ||
Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
On April 11 2015 00:14 shockaslim wrote: Dude, at least keep it real. Ryung probably would have gotten smoked, but Impact had a legit shot. He lost twice against Bio Play. Nothing has changed to the Bio-Zerg-Meta. You can argue that the third game was patch intended. But that is not enough, then Gumiho (Mec-God) played one more Bio. They got outplayed and both, Gumiho and Dark had the same patch problems. The Action of GSL was stupid (we cant fix it, lets do the patched maps), but that does not make you go all salty against foreigners because the WCS Change makes you still salty after 6month of its announcement. | ||
Exstasy
United Kingdom393 Posts
On April 11 2015 00:04 Deathstar wrote: lol who cares about some local football game besides the players' family members? This just is not an accurate analogy. Supporting your local team does not equal not preferring higher level play. I think fans of football would go to the higher quality games if they could get tickets/travel to them. Supporting your local team provides a cheaper football experience and offers the community of being a fan of the club, a very different thing to preferring the highest level of play. This is only increased as the level of play declines pretty much. edit* this was aimed at Elisse primarily | ||
deacon.frost
Czech Republic12116 Posts
On April 11 2015 00:17 Clonester wrote: He lost twice against Bio Play. Nothing has changed to the Bio-Zerg-Meta. You can argue that the third game was patch intended. But that is not enough, then Gumiho (Mec-God) played one more Bio. They got outplayed and both, Gumiho and Dark had the same patch problems. The Action of GSL was stupid (we cant fix it, lets do the patched maps), but that does not make you go all salty against foreigners because the WCS Change makes you still salty after 6month of its announcement. Just a curious question - regarding the patch - how is the zerg player able to play Swarm Hosts into bio? I mean, is it even possible to play it and win with that? Maybe Impact wanna open every game with SH turtle play into the advancement and that's what was the rage all about, otherwise I don't get it, because of what you said about bio play. | ||
TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On April 11 2015 00:17 Clonester wrote: He lost twice against Bio Play. Nothing has changed to the Bio-Zerg-Meta. You can argue that the third game was patch intended. But that is not enough, then Gumiho (Mec-God) played one more Bio. They got outplayed and both, Gumiho and Dark had the same patch problems. The Action of GSL was stupid (we cant fix it, lets do the patched maps), but that does not make you go all salty against foreigners because the WCS Change makes you still salty after 6month of its announcement. This "they had the same problems" argument is bullshit. Zerg got major changes to a key unit, Terran didn't. Gumiho plays mech, constantly, Impact prepared against mech (using Swarmhost as you have to). Suddenly he can't play that style anymore and his prep ends up being worthless. Gumiho beats him. Not a single match should have been played today under those conditions. Changing the game hours before an event and giving no player any proper prep time when its a single elimination match to get to Code S is absolute nonsense and you know it. Rest of your argument is irrelevant bullshit. | ||
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