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On November 06 2015 23:14 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2015 23:01 saocyn wrote:On November 06 2015 19:40 Pandemona wrote: Oh yeah i guess @Daray but i don't know people might watch the spin off and not arrow i don't know.
Also @saocyn, not sure how many people are familiar with Malcom Merlin's actor but he is a very very camp actor from England. Mostly known for his pantomime acting and flamboyant shows. Can't stand him being given the role of the ultimate bad guy haha! (John Barrowman is his name)
Anyway that was my random lol at Raz xD i actually had no clue who he was, but instantly felt he portrayed a great anti-protagonist. i would see gifs of his time to time where he says "let's have a gay off!" and i'm like WTF. but can't deny his ability to really portray this psychotic caring father who'd go at any length literally to merely connect with his daughter in his own deranged way. him and oliver teaming up against ras was in fact the only reason i finished the last season. for a meticulous person like ras to have 3 of his head spies under him all of which become traitors that easily is very, fucking sloppy to say the least and it cheapens the worth of his character. it kind of deflated the tension that, oliver may lose which season 1 and 2 captured quite beautifully. felicity used to be a a unique character, the fact another version of her exist now in the gay technician suddenly makes this persona over played and annoying. 1 is enough, 2 is over saturation. i'm also immensely frustrated at why olly is playing dad to laurel and thea, olly needs to humble these 2 crazy women some how, i'm pulling my hair out at how laurel and thea are using him as a door mat. rant /over. Haha you and me both!! Felicity is the great beautiful nerd we all want in our lives, but the new guy is just like her "lappy" as the saying goes. Makes no sense, but having multiple side stories is kinda fun in this series but i hope they don't all conclude at the same time and each get their own episodes to finis. I do agree on ras too think should have played it out differently i don't know. Hoping for some more cliff hangers and less + Show Spoiler +kill people and resurrect ones! Still this and Scorpion my favorite shows on tv now 24 is gone (as u can see with my taste i like certain stuff xD)
You have great taste my friend, i assure you, totally agree on AVERYTHANG. absolutely loved 24 in it's own forced suspense way but they stayed consistent to it. like we knew the first guys jack Bauer discovered were always the pawns or red herrings which later revealed the true mastermind, but even then it felt....right...the pacing was ok, Bauer daughter was also super hot so that evened things out. they just said fuk it and threw the show to the sharks in the last episode, not nearly as bad as Dexter but it was still bad. you'd think the guy would get the Nobel peace prize, nomination for president, the humanitarian award at the end of the show, but they did him like batman, never acknowledged him publicly, the woman he loved never healed from trauma. the fuk is wrong with america and their love for dysfunction? can we get some closure!?
I tried watching scorpion since i'm totally also an arrogant nerd and for some reason unashamed, but felt the main protagonist (based on the actual self proclaimed genius) tried too hard to prove to others he was in fact a genius. It felt like revenge of the nerds....from the first episode...the vibe i got from the show was we're nerds and we're going to try and spin it into a popular stereotype so we can be accepted by hot women. Aka the first episodes were continually reminding the hot single mom that these nerds understood their child better than the dead beat father and that they can still be attractive. i'm a prick in real life, my prick radar detected another prick in the writers and instantly turned me off lmfao. Assholes don't change despite some being intelligent and some being ignorant. ignorant ones you can ignore and beat up, intelligent ones you want to kill....(kill metaphorically, no i don't plan on harming anyone literally / physically ever)
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Haha yeah i can understand the Scorpion take of things, i know it is not everyones cup of tea but call me old fashioned i love a good "good vs evil" story line with twists and turns and a hero. This show actually teasing your brain a bit with its tasks to break down in each episode.
But 24 you hit the nail on the head, the ending of 24 was just cruel. Plain and simple xD
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On November 06 2015 23:56 Pandemona wrote: Haha yeah i can understand the Scorpion take of things, i know it is not everyones cup of tea but call me old fashioned i love a good "good vs evil" story line with twists and turns and a hero. This show actually teasing your brain a bit with its tasks to break down in each episode.
But 24 you hit the nail on the head, the ending of 24 was just cruel. Plain and simple xD
totally respect that. I will say the brain teasers or rather the director/writer's retelling of his own life are interesting, if it wasn't for the continual manipulating of the experience to brag. I love anything that may stimulate or challenge the mind, but for me the big red flags were a lot of the obvious bragging and bravado. a few instances
- the kid is sitting in the diner, the fat guy comes in and understands he's using his toy as chess pieces. kid beats fat man at make believe chess with a 4 move win, fat guy says i'm a grand master at chess. oh for f***sakes, gtfo. they have even done studies suggesting chess has almost nothing to do with IQ, as experienced players dominantly and overwhelmingly defeated novice players with high IQ. it is of course, a game based off of memorization and variable, not unlike dota. the only thing i suppose the writers tried to tie it to was that one child prodigy in history who defeated like 8 grand masters, but if this show was a "retelling of his life" (his words in an interview) he was no where close to being considered a child prodigy or anyone with a significant IQ that actually impacted the world, so it was entirely irrelevant.
- then there was the part where he was a child in elementary school with an overly strict and physically abusive math teacher. the teacher poses a question to the class, "which of these numerals can be divided by 4" he proceeds to say "but all of them can technically be divided by 4! you weren't specific enough or clear about the question! and then shows the teacher the decimal points of each one. as if he somehow "one upped" the teacher and class. at this point i wouldn't mind the teacher beating the living shit out of him for being a smart Alec, clearly his emotional IQ or comprehension of surrounding environment / context is blatantly low.
every instance in the tv show is more or less, hey i'm smart, you're dumb, you don't know what you're doing and fucking everything up, i'm smart praise me, let me solve all the world's problems, because you incompetence masses are ruining everything. without me doing EVERYTHING the world would not run properly GOD. to each his own....this is getting derailed though, i do apologize but i'm glad there's a person who has similar interest as i do in the same TV shows and is crazy about it as i am xD
i will say it left a horribly bad impression that i dropped the show entirely from a few first episodes. do they introduce an antagonist that posses a higher IQ than they do and outwit them at every turn? something like a death note rivalry....this would be something that draws me back into it. not some rag tag team solving small crimes.
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On November 07 2015 00:41 Pandemona wrote:Hahaha indeed i am. I indeed understand where you are coming from with that reconciliation of the flaws. I too agree with them, there is alot ( ALOT!) of rumors that Walter O'Brien himself is completely fabricating absolutely everything in his life and is one big phony etc. However no one will know xD It's either watch it or be left with waiting for the return of Kiefer which aint happening any time soon
haha thank you for your honest answer, it is quite comforting that i'm not alone in feeling the inconsistencies. didn't a movie come out for 24? should have been released years ago, i think i'll stick to marvel franchise, ironically disney is not actually ruining the TV series....they just ruined Ant man but....marvel is imo is currently beating DC, as far as TV goes, when i felt that DC out did them due to marvel's only interest in movies for quite a while.....
Edit: just an fyi kiefer is the voice actor for the main protagonist of Metal Gear Solid V...it's pretty awesome.
BACK TO BASHING ON ARROW i feel like if arrow did not make the mistake of pandering to PC / social media approval, they would be able to tell the super hero stories that actually sold. too many tv series are just trying so hard to inject gay characters just for the sake of saying, hey we aren't homophobic and respect the LGBT community. arrow is making a huge mistake in attempting to bend over for feminist, there are far too many dominant female roles....the main character was a chauvinistic playboy, he doesn't somehow become a soft bitch after going through survival training for would be academically gifted and physically beautiful, strong willed women, like wtf is wrong with society. he also doesn't somehow coddle them when they have emotional outburst....and make stupid decisions on the whim of an emotional thrill and urge, we don't respect women like that, and arrow has to stop saying all strong men will accommodate to it. (almost all the males are completely tech illiterate, brutes, and savages, unfaithful as well) oliver's dad cheated on his mom, which gave right for his mom to cheat...the fuck? then oliver sleeps with everyone, laurel's dad can't hold a relationship with his mom and her mom is the first to start a new. diggle (correct me if i'm wrong) divorced his wife before re-marrying am i correct? THEN having a kid. atom's wife also died on him......if i recall....so if i'm reading in between the lines right, i'm thinking the writers want the audience to subtlety believe all men are at the center of fault for divorce. oh felecity's "bimbo mother" also is single, i forgot how that went but, she was the one person in the family who "never gave up on her" yep so i guess that implies the dad did. male bashing at it's finest.
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Haha that is true the parts about Arrow, all the male "role models" in parents are shit. Malcolm abuses Tommy to an extent too, gives him all the money then just pulls the plug randomly and harshly treats him. Then the males in the show are shown off to be useless relationships too, with Oliver sleeping with many females in the show, lorrel sara felecity the beautiful russian speaking ceo (god she was hot xD). The only one he hasn't slept with is Nisa and that would make a funny story line. (might copyright that just incase!)
The 24 situation well, it ended on Day 8 right and we all waa waa because Chloe had to say goodbye. Then 24: Live Another Day happened which tied up a few loose ends and was well received i think. Me and my dad enjoyed it anyhow due to it being set in London and Stephen Fry was the prime minister :D However then it kinda died, it is however now being re branded, live another day 12 episodes will be back for a season 2 but without Jack, maybe a few cameo roles but Kiefer still isn't keen on the idea. Thus they are branding it with a young kid in his 20s to be the next guy. The next Jack, lets see how that works. 24 without Jack is like Top Gear with Clarkson, it ain't going to work
What was your favorite season of Arrow btw? 1, 2 or 3? I loved the pure brute force killing in Season 2 where Slade was picking people off left and right. However the Ras story started off well in season 3 and was pretty interesting especially when Oliver got bladed. But season 1 was fun due to he was a bad ass then, killing people and doing it properly :3
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On November 07 2015 01:23 Pandemona wrote:Haha that is true the parts about Arrow, all the male "role models" in parents are shit. Malcolm abuses Tommy to an extent too, gives him all the money then just pulls the plug randomly and harshly treats him. Then the males in the show are shown off to be useless relationships too, with Oliver sleeping with many females in the show, lorrel sara felecity the beautiful russian speaking ceo (god she was hot xD). The only one he hasn't slept with is Nisa and that would make a funny story line. (might copyright that just incase!) The 24 situation well, it ended on Day 8 right and we all waa waa because Chloe had to say goodbye. Then 24: Live Another Day happened which tied up a few loose ends and was well received i think. Me and my dad enjoyed it anyhow due to it being set in London and Stephen Fry was the prime minister :D However then it kinda died, it is however now being re branded, live another day 12 episodes will be back for a season 2 but without Jack, maybe a few cameo roles but Kiefer still isn't keen on the idea. Thus they are branding it with a young kid in his 20s to be the next guy. The next Jack, lets see how that works. 24 without Jack is like Top Gear with Clarkson, it ain't going to work What was your favorite season of Arrow btw? 1, 2 or 3? I loved the pure brute force killing in Season 2 where Slade was picking people off left and right. However the Ras story started off well in season 3 and was pretty interesting especially when Oliver got bladed. But season 1 was fun due to he was a bad ass then, killing people and doing it properly :3
I don't think anything compares to season 1 for me. maybe it's the fact it was a new story, but there was so much emotion and growth tied into season 1. The concept of a "backstory" was also amazing at the time because the back story was actually required to tell the present day story, whereas right now i feel that because the writers chose to stick with it as a point of "marketing" or selling of the show, it feels contrived and forced. the background story projection isn't on par with the actual main story. and it's not interesting enough to me to warrant some of these things but i suppose if you want to introduce things in the future, this can't be avoided. I think also it's due to the fact laurel was his main love interest which i think she's fucking hot, and she made a great girlfriend. (this was before she wanted to become a hero) a cunning lawyer or attorney, and a family each struggling to make things work and be a better self for tomorrow really resonated with me. they looked....well human, and you see glimpses of the brilliance in each character when they make those changes. like the part where laurel had a drinking problem due to communication with her father, but overcame it inevitably. i think they really captured such an emotional low and high, that attempting to replicate it, devalues it's previous episodes....slade killing his mother infront of him while he could do NOTHING to stop it made the viewers and me feel vulnerable imo. and we got to see how he dealt with that, and come back.....i suppose if i were to sum it up entirely, you could feel the struggle the entire time...while kind of hoping he would make it without actually knowing if he would, cause of how cunning the opposition is. You see a kind of "adolescent" laurel which is why i loved her character. you see her as a real person who goes out on dates, has ambitions, has interests, tries to be confident....and the puppy dog face she makes just melts me ROFL.
As far as season 2 goes, i barely recall the timeline of arrow due to how long they take breaks in between seasons. I remember a point where i lost interest because of how bad i felt they rushed the story line, it may have been season 2...not because of the fact slade wasn't totally awesome in fact, season 1 set such a high bar for season 2, i felt like they couldn't meet that same bar. the reason is they used alot of gimmicky throw away characters, like that dude who sold vertigo. i suppose a remake of "joker" in another world, or similar theme but the fact the guy broke out of prison twice and had to be dealt with is a joke. the guy wasn't even tech savy, all he had was knowledge of how to create a high, and it felt really corny that he was a threat. Arrow does a really bad job at creating bad guys that aren't the main antagonist, probably because their creativity is used solely on developing ones that can rival the main cast. Deadshot was SOMEWHAT ok, still doesn't warrant an episode with diggle probably alot cooler in the batman universe. they keep building up a side plot for diggle and his brother but you have no glimpse as to what type of man his brother was to be interested in it, diggles character is a bland honest morally high ground friend, that alone won't sell to my interest, there has to be more substance. what i did find GOOD about the season was the battle with slade, slade chose to make mirakuru warriors, and thea got trained by her dad which i still think is a great character. the mirakuru warriors was a big let down though because of how easily each one were defeated....it was supposed to be roids x 100, they were like makeshift superman's but most of them were still prone to KO shots.
Season 3, actually was setup really well for me, as far as the first half. It was the same feeling of season 1, the kind of bad "omen" feeling or the gut feeling of a looming bad decision on the horizon but a small window of opportunity. A very confident, fully trained oliver with new tech and team preparing to face a man who has the experience of a person in combat for what, 300 years? it was done so well, the father of nisa was this methodical calculating mastermind...then well you know my take on the rest in my previous post LOL i'm also not sure if it's me but the swords and props are SO badly made. it's so obvious that it's fake, it just kills the tension and moment entirely for me. like going limp during sex....there's no greater tension killer. the swords that oliver had to pick to duel ras, even though the fight scene was very well done. and yes nisa was a great character, but i feel like they blatantly made her lesbian and pretty much showed no ties she was even up for grabs by oliver LOL.
season 4 Does not have the dark atmosphere that is consistent with i suppose, the DC universe, or the season 1,2,3. it's in fact quite sunny, and boring....the people who are supposedly dead, aren't well...dead. Darhk's Lair where he meets officer lance, just makes me face palm. they literally just used a random set, placed black curtains over all sides of the wall and then placed a small random ikea shrine for him to put things in then LED lights. it's so badly done that i can't even feel the guy has enough money or authority to command this dangerous "hive" we heard about. but his ACTING is subliminal! he plays a very good bad guy. another methodical, cunning, cruel psychopath. this guy seems to lack any emotional sympathy the type which i feel is his strong point. you can at least reason with Ra's or Slade cause they were emotionally hurt but darhk feels like one of those notorious dexter killers who can't comprehend anything but the thrill of killing or submitting his opponent. i think it's all because of the way he keeps his eyes bugged out.
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Last episode was a bit to much cringe for me. The love story might appeal for some but i felt that was silly and to walk into Damien's lair and fight off bad guys for 20minutes seems silly. Oh well at least we got to see Felicity's hot mom XD
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Ok so...we justs had a crossover episode thingy. Flash Episode 8 and Arrow Episode 8 where the 1st and 2nd part. Flash 1st part was great...the Arrow 2nd part was terrible the ending as well holy TT
Anyone else agree?
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All I noticed was Felicity getting a hair cut for the whole episode so... It does move the storyline onwards. I'm guessing that + Show Spoiler +Arrow will have to deal with the child issue while Flash deals with his time travel problems. In Flash, Barry cant run fast enought but in Arrow, he is back to speed and even speeding through time once more. DOH!
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Yeah + Show Spoiler +The child issue is a good sub plot but the way it is being done is shocking, for the next few episodes it will be Oli running off for playdates with his son whilst Felicity thinks he is cheating on her. Will conclude either they all become a happy family or Felicity leaves him. Yeah back in Flash land they are just getting some antidote together to make him fast, then whilst he in Arrow land he is not having any issues apart from time travel. Also time travel lord please TT what a piece of crap that is in shows like this. Oh well, nearly was a very very good 2 part episode, instead we get about 60 minutes of good tv followed by 20 minutes of...REALLY?
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Flash is slightly better than arrow.. I binged on arrow recently to catch up.. The 23 episodes is too many :/
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Arrow characters are far less annoying than Flashes...
Flash stories are also often stupid because many problems that could be solved by running are not for the sake of random balance.
Opening scenes on Arrow are often lame and unimaginative.
Damien Dark is a good villain, Flash currently lacks of villain that really matter, that we knows something of.
Overall, both series, with Agent of Shields and Gotham are currently peaking in quality at the same time... It's been a long time that I haven't enjoy those show like I do now.
For Flash/Arrow, I feel it might be a little bit of a stockholm syndrom. The flashback things and Cameos are more interesting in the Arrow... That Constantine one specially, hearing the theme music was cool, I hadn't realized they were from the same universe.
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I can't stand the camera work in this show. And how one actor always stands still and then the other character walks towards him/her for a ''serious'' talk, x5 every single episode.
Flash and Gotham are much better.
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On December 04 2015 18:32 LennX wrote:All I noticed was Felicity getting a hair cut for the whole episode so... It does move the storyline onwards. I'm guessing that + Show Spoiler +Arrow will have to deal with the child issue while Flash deals with his time travel problems. In Flash, Barry cant run fast enought but in Arrow, he is back to speed and even speeding through time once more. DOH! They said Barry moved more than Mach 2 when he traveled through time last time. So I guess you don't even need to travel close to speed of Light for that :D While Zoom travels few times faster than Flash but does not travel through time lol. The show itself makes no sense within its own logic.
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I dont know if Felicity is dead for sure. People on Flash or Arrow like to reincarnate a lot, but if she is dead and stays that way, I dont think it is a bad thing. Felicity was just too good and boring and thats what I didn't like at her.
Felicity and Laurel are the weakpoints of the show. Felicity because of the way her character is written and Katie Cassidy is in my opinion not the right actor for the job.
Willa Holland (Thea), is emotional and the actress really show it. Thea isn't a simple black or white character. Also her doing some fighting, despite her size and skinny looking figure looks good. She is everything Laurel and Felicity is not and that is: interesting.
Laurel, ... she just seems so emotionless and she simply looks silly fighting with her long skinny legs. She looks like someone the wind would blow away... Caity Lotz who was one of the actors portraing Laurels sister Srah for example is a bit meatier, but damn that girl looks like she could fight and when you saw her you could belive that she is tough. Also her acting was way better...
Also the new arrow costume sucks, it looks like a bad action figure toy....
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On December 11 2015 04:07 Holy_AT wrote: I dont know if Felicity is dead for sure. People on Flash or Arrow like to reincarnate a lot, but if she is dead and stays that way, I dont think it is a bad thing. Felicity was just too good and boring and thats what I didn't like at her.
Felicity and Laurel are the weakpoints of the show. Felicity because of the way her character is written and Katie Cassidy is in my opinion not the right actor for the job.
Willa Holland (Thea), is emotional and the actress really show it. Thea isn't a simple black or white character. Also her doing some fighting, despite her size and skinny looking figure looks good. She is everything Laurel and Felicity is not and that is: interesting.
Laurel, ... she just seems so emotionless and she simply looks silly fighting with her long skinny legs. She looks like someone the wind would blow away... Caity Lotz who was one of the actors portraing Laurels sister Srah for example is a bit meatier, but damn that girl looks like she could fight and when you saw her you could belive that she is tough. Also her acting was way better...
Also the new arrow costume sucks, it looks like a bad action figure toy....
Felicity was a fan favourite. Managing to be a recurring character from a one off cameo and a recurring into a main character. Not many people can do that. As for Laurel, hello there Skyler White. Gotta have a bitch in the show where everyone hates so that the other characters will feel more loved. I will admit Sarah(Caity Lotz) had the better actress going for her.
+ Show Spoiler [My thoughts on Felicity] +I'm pretty sure she will be alright but paralysed from waist down. Ever since Felicity appeared, she gave me another character vibe, Oracle whose is a member of birds of prey. But I will admit that this is pretty a long stretch.
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+ Show Spoiler +If Felicity is dead i think id be done, they should have killed off Laurel ages ago for her idiotic character she is annoying. To kill Felicity would only be fine if Arrow went back to being that killer instinct Arrow that actually got the job done and not let every bad guy get away and refuse to kill blahblah. If they don' then the show might become terrible. They killed his mom which was fair enough, they tried to kill Thea and brought her back ok, but to kill Felcitiy damn....
Worst part....we have to wait until 16th January to find out wtf went on. Stupid TV shows
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Looool. This last episode. A highly specialized acid, only one place that makes it.
Zoom in on the barrels: "hydrochloric acid"
/facepalm
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On February 24 2016 09:27 Acrofales wrote: Looool. This last episode. A highly specialized acid, only one place that makes it.
Zoom in on the barrels: "hydrochloric acid"
/facepalm The name of that place? Stars!
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