But yeah the last jedi is summed up by Rian Johnson in that interview, he made a film without continuing TFA or setting up anything for episode 9, which is why we got the film we got. Imo he basically stuck 2 fingers up to JJ for episode 9!
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51335 Posts
But yeah the last jedi is summed up by Rian Johnson in that interview, he made a film without continuing TFA or setting up anything for episode 9, which is why we got the film we got. Imo he basically stuck 2 fingers up to JJ for episode 9! | ||
Laurens
Belgium4458 Posts
The former lived up to its expectations, the latter... | ||
Velr
Switzerland10417 Posts
This Movie was just stupid and made no friggin sense. The Opening: Was actually fun, completly ridiculous with a single X-Wing basically owning a capital ship destroying all its Turrets - besides the two turrets that actually matter. The Bombers were also cool but made no sense, for some reason they need to be above the enemy Ship to drop their bombs – in friggin space (just turn your ship ffs). But ok, this was fun and Star Wars doesn’t need to make that kind of sense . After this it went downhill. «The Chase» and everything on the Resistance-Ship: Fin wakes up and walks around and no one gives a shit about the poor guy until he accidentally runs into Poe. It features the slowest «chase» ever and apparently the New Order is too stupid to just jump a few Ships ahead. They are also not willing to lose a few Tie-Fighters because as it seems, completly erradicating the Resistance including its leadership isn’t worth a few Tie-Fighters – Which are completly capable of destroying it. The part they destroy with Leia and General «no one ever cared about» also seemed to host no critical system because its destruction didn’t seem to impact the ship at all. They are fast enough to get out of «lasers do dmg range but still reach and can destroy transports with 100% accuracy despite them being even farther away and obviously having long ass travel time» but can’t lose them completly. Yeah, they are unshielded but still. Cloaked Transporters can be spotted by «activating cloke spotting device», which for no reason wasn’t on before. The resistance ship also has no autopilot but can be flown by 1 Person, which isn’t even a Pilot. It also can’t just move in between the Transports and the Fleet, because who knows… Rather directly suicide. Atleast the explosion looked cool (why not do this with the smaller ships before they go completly empty?). Not telling your best Pilot, which is a known hothead, your reasonable plan for no reason is also totally normal. That Leia is now space jesus too scene… I actually couldn’t believe this when i saw it. Ugh… Other stuff: Casino Planet? Fin storyline in general? I haven’t heard anyone thinking this part is good. A bit of social commentary and „guy we didn’t search but also capable of doing exactly what we came here for happens to be in our cell“. False parking is also a reason to be thrown in jail but your ship will be just left in place because, fuck you, we need another explosion in this movie. Rey just goes to visit Ben by letting herself get captures because. The Plot needs to advance NOW. They can talk and even touch each other whiteout being physically on the same Planet/Ship/Sun System. Why even travel?. Luckily Snoke, despite being uber powerfull and capable of reading minds, connecting people and so on can’t feel, hear or see the Lightsaber right next to him turning around by force manipulation. Before that the Rey/Ben scenes were pretty much the best stuff in the Movie, then they went full retard. Fin and Girl escape because luckily one Ship was completly unharmed despite the whole Hangar they are in being a giant mess. Rebell base whiteout an exit closes --> Man the trenches (wut?) and send out the speeders (wut?). Crystal Foxes seem to also be into politics and decide to join the Rebels in their base (wut?). All empire troops decide to stop shooting when Fin decides to suicide (wut?) so he can be „safed by high speed crash“ (wut? How did she even catch up). Also: Door-Ram-Laser. Why they didn’t just fire this twice and just end the Rebellion.. Who knows. How they knew they should bring their Door-Ram-Laser… DOOR RAM LASER… Oh, just fuck this movie. Luke decides to die after the one time in the movie he did something that Luke would actually do. Millenium Falcon because, Millenium Falcon! Which leads away T-Fighters and then doesn’t get back to the Rebells to help them because, who still gives a shit at this point? Rebel base with no exit also happens to have an exit blocked by a bit of rubble, you can even see outside from it… FFS. In walking distance from the holiest Jedi place is also some „Evil“ hole in the ground. There is a strange mirror that tells you absolutely nothing and lets you just leave after you played with it a bit, snipping your fingers is apparently the coolest thing they came up with. Distances and Time also really don’t matter. Travel is basically instant as soon as you have a ship. No matter where in the Galaxy you are. BB88, is there anything this thing can’t do? He’s worse than prequel R2D2, which i didn’t think was possible. It also shits on everything EP7 has brought up and made you wonder about EP7. Knights of Ren anyone? +Constant and often missfiring Humour for no reason. Btw: Main Cast is now 1 Asian, 1 Black, 1 brownish, 2 white Woman, 1 white guy (naturally he’s the evil one) and all Men in general are hot headed idiots (Poe/Fin/Ben). I actually don’t mind this, if the movie was any decent and not just a giant marketing ploy. Nothing in this Movie made any sense, it had some nice visuals but thats about it. If Snoke wouldn’t be in EP7, you actually wouldn’t need this movie for anything. Nothing really changed since the End of EP7. | ||
[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6325 Posts
but i also think that if you are going to critic the movie that way you can murder a new hope as well.or pretty much any great movie. | ||
Velr
Switzerland10417 Posts
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Xarles
459 Posts
On December 18 2017 18:51 Pandemona wrote: Haha without derailing the thread, the opening 10 minutes of the last knight i was genuinely confused and thought i was in the wrong film and was questioning stuff. But the rest of it was top quality, many action scenes, big mark whalberg being mark whalberg :D But yeah the last jedi is summed up by Rian Johnson in that interview, he made a film without continuing TFA or setting up anything for episode 9, which is why we got the film we got. Imo he basically stuck 2 fingers up to JJ for episode 9! Yeah, it's so stupid that this is actually a thing | ||
hexhaven
Finland855 Posts
On December 18 2017 20:39 Velr wrote: Incoherent rant incoming: This Movie was just stupid and made no friggin sense. + Show Spoiler + The Opening: Was actually fun, completly ridiculous with a single X-Wing basically owning a capital ship destroying all its Turrets - besides the two turrets that actually matter. The Bombers were also cool but made no sense, for some reason they need to be above the enemy Ship to drop their bombs – in friggin space (just turn your ship ffs). But ok, this was fun and Star Wars doesn’t need to make that kind of sense . After this it went downhill. «The Chase» and everything on the Resistance-Ship: Fin wakes up and walks around and no one gives a shit about the poor guy until he accidentally runs into Poe. It features the slowest «chase» ever and apparently the New Order is too stupid to just jump a few Ships ahead. They are also not willing to lose a few Tie-Fighters because as it seems, completly erradicating the Resistance including its leadership isn’t worth a few Tie-Fighters – Which are completly capable of destroying it. The part they destroy with Leia and General «no one ever cared about» also seemed to host no critical system because its destruction didn’t seem to impact the ship at all. They are fast enough to get out of «lasers do dmg range but still reach and can destroy transports with 100% accuracy despite them being even farther away and obviously having long ass travel time» but can’t lose them completly. Yeah, they are unshielded but still. Cloaked Transporters can be spotted by «activating cloke spotting device», which for no reason wasn’t on before. The resistance ship also has no autopilot but can be flown by 1 Person, which isn’t even a Pilot. It also can’t just move in between the Transports and the Fleet, because who knows… Rather directly suicide. Atleast the explosion looked cool (why not do this with the smaller ships before they go completly empty?). Not telling your best Pilot, which is a known hothead, your reasonable plan for no reason is also totally normal. That Leia is now space jesus too scene… I actually couldn’t believe this when i saw it. Ugh… Other stuff: Casino Planet? Fin storyline in general? I haven’t heard anyone thinking this part is good. A bit of social commentary and „guy we didn’t search but also capable of doing exactly what we came here for happens to be in our cell“. False parking is also a reason to be thrown in jail but your ship will be just left in place because, fuck you, we need another explosion in this movie. Rey just goes to visit Ben by letting herself get captures because. The Plot needs to advance NOW. They can talk and even touch each other whiteout being physically on the same Planet/Ship/Sun System. Why even travel?. Luckily Snoke, despite being uber powerfull and capable of reading minds, connecting people and so on can’t feel, hear or see the Lightsaber right next to him turning around by force manipulation. Before that the Rey/Ben scenes were pretty much the best stuff in the Movie, then they went full retard. Fin and Girl escape because luckily one Ship was completly unharmed despite the whole Hangar they are in being a giant mess. Rebell base whiteout an exit closes --> Man the trenches (wut?) and send out the speeders (wut?). Crystal Foxes seem to also be into politics and decide to join the Rebels in their base (wut?). All empire troops decide to stop shooting when Fin decides to suicide (wut?) so he can be „safed by high speed crash“ (wut? How did she even catch up). Also: Door-Ram-Laser. Why they didn’t just fire this twice and just end the Rebellion.. Who knows. How they knew they should bring their Door-Ram-Laser… DOOR RAM LASER… Oh, just fuck this movie. Luke decides to die after the one time in the movie he did something that Luke would actually do. Millenium Falcon because, Millenium Falcon! Which leads away T-Fighters and then doesn’t get back to the Rebells to help them because, who still gives a shit at this point? Rebel base with no exit also happens to have an exit blocked by a bit of rubble, you can even see outside from it… FFS. In walking distance from the holiest Jedi place is also some „Evil“ hole in the ground. There is a strange mirror that tells you absolutely nothing and lets you just leave after you played with it a bit, snipping your fingers is apparently the coolest thing they came up with. Distances and Time also really don’t matter. Travel is basically instant as soon as you have a ship. No matter where in the Galaxy you are. BB88, is there anything this thing can’t do? He’s worse than prequel R2D2, which i didn’t think was possible. It also shits on everything EP7 has brought up and made you wonder about EP7. Knights of Ren anyone? +Constant and often missfiring Humour for no reason. Btw: Main Cast is now 1 Asian, 1 Black, 1 brownish, 2 white Woman, 1 white guy (naturally he’s the evil one) and all Men in general are hot headed idiots (Poe/Fin/Ben). I actually don’t mind this, if the movie was any decent and not just a giant marketing ploy. Nothing in this Movie made any sense, it had some nice visuals but thats about it. If Snoke wouldn’t be in EP7, you actually wouldn’t need this movie for anything. Nothing really changed since the End of EP7. Why didn't the crew of Nostromo just avoid the weird eggs inside the downed spaceship? On December 18 2017 20:39 Velr wrote: + Show Spoiler + If Snoke wouldn’t be in EP7, you actually wouldn’t need this movie for anything. Nothing really changed since the End of EP7. But I want to return to this specifically. + Show Spoiler + Just to reiterate, simplified versions: - Finn learns to fight for those he loves instead of against those he hates - Rey learns the truth about her parents, and that it's her actions, not her lineage, that define her - Poe learns that his daring actions have real consequences, and sometimes a plan is indeed so crazy that it just doesn't work | ||
blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On December 18 2017 21:11 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: i was thinking the same about Finn scene and about the space jump from rebels ship,Why the other ship didnt just do the same and avoid it? they knew what the other ship was trying to do. but i also think that if you are going to critic the movie that way you can murder a new hope as well.or pretty much any great movie. I disagree. The original trilogy had it's flaws, but not anywhere near like this movie did. I'm glad you enjoyed it, I wish I could have, but there were a ton of flaws in this movie that bugged me to no end. This is the only Star Wars movie I truly hate btw, I didn't think there would come a day I would hate one tbh. I didn't like Phantom Menace that much and is easily my least favorite movie, but I didn't hate it like this one. I'm far from the only one as seen in this thread and other online places. The reception to this movie is so different than TFA and Rogue One. | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51335 Posts
Oh well, i am just glad it wasn't just me who thought this was bad and isn't anything wrong with me haha | ||
Velr
Switzerland10417 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Finn wakes up and immediatly wants to go after Rey. If you argue that he didn't want to go after her, then he wanted to just gtfo but got caught by "girl". I guess the lesson Finn learns according to you he somehow gets when Girl tells him exactly this when he doesn't have a choice anymore anyway because Girl stopped him after he made the choice to rather die then let the ones he hates win? Oh, and then she kisses him because, why not. You don't even know if he learned anything yet. You assume it... Lesson learned by speeder crash and one sentence by "Girl"? I hope Fins character is a bit stronger than that but i doubt it... Rey got the truth about her parents from Kylo, due to a Snoke induced connection? This doesn't seem to be a trustworthy source. But her not having Special parents doesn't bother me at all. As i said, the Ben/Rey interactions were pretty much the best stuff in the movie. No General disagreement on Poe. To bad the story that lead to him "growing" was the by far worst part of the movie. The plan was reckless but not any more reckless than the other "plans" from Ep 4-7 and the reason why this plan even come to be also seemed, uhm, reckless? Whats the reasoning behind: "Lets not tell our highest ranking Pilot(?) that is seen as a hero by much of the crew our plan? No, better make him believe that we just cruise towards death because he needs to learn that following orders/trust his superiors is important - right after he got a knew superiour he didn't know?" A bit of a strange time to teach someone his place/a lesson Btw: This probably was better than EP 1-2 and maybe 3... But you should see me rant about these :p... "I don't like sand"... I honestly don't remember most of 3 so it was probably not as insulting as 1 and 2 . | ||
andrewlt
United States7648 Posts
On December 19 2017 00:31 Pandemona wrote: You wouldn't think that though , the reception of the film being worst than TFA and Rogue 1, because every media outlet has been bought by Disney it seems and is dubbing this an amazing film. Rotten Tomatoes score is 93% ffs, even the user rating of 52% is way to high than what it should be. Oh well, i am just glad it wasn't just me who thought this was bad and isn't anything wrong with me haha It has an "A" score on Cinemascore and 89% positive on ComScore/Screen Engine, which are more accurate gauges of audience reactions than online user scores. This franchise has the type of fanbase that would react to disappointment by flooding sites that require self-selection to get votes. | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51335 Posts
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6325 Posts
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/doctor_strange_2016/ interesting that people liked so much justice and dr strange,for me they were pretty bad tbh.. atleast this one makes sense to me https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_conjuring_2/ | ||
Volband
Hungary6034 Posts
And RotS is awesome. | ||
Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6325 Posts
On December 19 2017 02:31 Volband wrote: The Conjuring 2 was one of the most bland, boring and unimaginative horrors I have ever seen. Come on now! And RotS is awesome. did u know about the story before watching the movie or did see something related ? cuz i didnt and for me was a very enjoyable movie :D | ||
The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
It gets the hate mostly because big star wars fans cannot deal with the direction the movie took. Luke is a broken hero, he despises the legend building around him because he made mistakes and gave up (though at the end he actually reverts to a more positive pov) I think this is by far the biggest reason people hate it so much, the head canon got destroyed. There absolutely are problems, but also a lot of things it does very well. People actually going as far as rating this as the worst star wars movie are completely ridiculous. The prequels are on such another level of garbage it's not even close (every basic film making concept is worse) Also people still look at the OT through rose-tinted glasses.. | ||
Plansix
United States60190 Posts
But I feel that any starwars movie will have anger that is louder than praise. It is just the nature of fandom that was given so long by itself, doing its own thing. | ||
[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6325 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
The franchise is bigger than the movies' quality, the OT is on that pedestal largely because of nostalgia. The new movies get trashed for things which were already a part of the OT (convenient writing, etc) and don't get praise for things they do way better (acting as the easiest example) People complain that TFA is too close to the OT plot wise and then complain that TLJ isn't close enough (basically). Plot is only such a small part of a movie though. And plot was never impressive in star wars anyway. | ||
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