sOs finally overtakes MC as SC2 top earner - Page 2
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rotta
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Dingodile
4123 Posts
In other words. HuK and Stephano won big checks in the worst time/timing financially. Did they both have their prime time 4 years later, they would have 50% more money (in € for Stephano and CAD for HuK). Look Blizzcon 2011 and 2015 2011: $100,000 = 72,000€ ------ 2015: $100,000 = 91,000€. Now you can earn 250,000 for winning one tournament (~50,000€ difference between 2011 and 2015), that difference make all "top-earner lists" very meaningless for me. Same goes with Tennis and all other sports. | ||
ReachTheSky
United States3294 Posts
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On February 09 2018 09:20 ninazerg wrote: Scarlett is coming for them all. I'll be surprised if she ever makes more than 70% of what Snute has. | ||
DarkPlasmaBall
United States42223 Posts
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
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Fango
United Kingdom8810 Posts
On February 09 2018 22:52 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I wonder if a foreigner will ever break into the Top 10 for earnings... I guess only Snute, Nerchio, and Neeb have a realistic chance at that, but it's especially possible since most of the Top 10 earners are retired/ semi-retired anyway. Neeb has made almost all his money in the last 18 months. If he keeps it up he has a very good chance | ||
nimdil
Poland3743 Posts
On February 10 2018 02:05 Fango wrote: Neeb has made almost all his money in the last 18 months. If he keeps it up he has a very good chance Unless the sc2 as an esport project will be closed. It won't last forever. I'm a bit out of touch but I recall that the entertainment didn't validate prize mony in 2011/2012. It's not exactly better now and Blizzard won't pour money into ecosystem forever. | ||
lestye
United States4104 Posts
On February 11 2018 14:39 nimdil wrote: Unless the sc2 as an esport project will be closed. It won't last forever. I'm a bit out of touch but I recall that the entertainment didn't validate prize mony in 2011/2012. It's not exactly better now and Blizzard won't pour money into ecosystem forever. I'm sure they will for the foreseeable future. It's part of their brand and prestige. It's still a supported product, and unless they have another RTS ready to supplant SC2, I don't think they're going to drop it anytime soon. | ||
YourFavoriteTerran
33 Posts
This is NOT a balance whine btw. These are facts. In addition to the earners list showing 1 foreign Terran in the top 50 highest earners.. there is this current ladder statistics http://sc2replaystats.com/blog/archives/1845 Terran currently down 5% win rate in every matchup at Grandmaster level. At the highest level, things should be balanced. There should never be a 5-10% win rate difference. It is quite obvious that Terran is not only predictable, but way harder to play than P and Z. This is why we see Foreign P's like Neeb and Z's like Scarlett taking games off koreans that would have flattened them 3-0 in Starcraft 1 or before LOTV. The only players in the world that can actually compete with the other races probably need to funnel their prize money into wrist and carpel tunnel surgeries. I can definitely see why Boxer retired. User was warned for this post | ||
ejozl
Denmark3173 Posts
On February 13 2018 17:26 YourFavoriteTerran wrote: 1 Foreign Terran in the top 50 with like 5 Toss and Zerg.. This game has never reached the level of balance Starcraft 1 had. That's why none of my friends watch tournaments anymore. Actually, one of my friends watches still, he gets really high and claims every tournament was 'awesome'. Then I ask him to recall a single game and he can't. Glad these guys are making good money but the game itself is currently and has been a complete joke for over 2 years. Not balanced at all. This is NOT a balance whine btw. These are facts. In addition to the earners list showing 1 foreign Terran in the top 50 highest earners.. there is this current ladder statistics http://sc2replaystats.com/blog/archives/1845 Terran currently down 5% win rate in every matchup at Grandmaster level. At the highest level, things should be balanced. There should never be a 5-10% win rate difference. It is quite obvious that Terran is not only predictable, but way harder to play than P and Z. This is why we see Foreign P's like Neeb and Z's like Scarlett taking games off koreans that would have flattened them 3-0 in Starcraft 1 or before LOTV. The only players in the world that can actually compete with the other races probably need to funnel their prize money into wrist and carpel tunnel surgeries. I can definitely see why Boxer retired. Not balance whine btw The game might not be balanced at all levels of play, but the game since LotV offers way more opportunities to outplay your opponent. If we take Scarlett vs sOs game 4 as an example, sOs had no business winning that game, it was lost. This could be due to 'balance' or losing mind games or what have you, but where prior in earlier installments of the game sOs would simply lose, in LotV he was able to completely outskill Scarlett and take the game. With this being the case players of each race can really start to dominate if they raise the bar of level of play and that's what is really cool about LotV. In the end the players can overcome balance, but of course balance will always have a huge effect and not only at the highest level that some seem to suggest, but for all levels of play. | ||
LDaVinci
France130 Posts
On February 09 2018 09:06 pvsnp wrote: I never understood this fascination with (prize) money. Obviously it's very important to the players themselves, but why do the fans care? It's not like they are getting a cut or something. What does it matter to them whether their favorite player won 10k or 100k? More prize money in the scene as a whole is important, because it's a useful metric of how healthy/sustainable the scene is. But more prize money for this specific player or that specific player.........who cares? Sure, why would you care if your favorites players can make a good living out of his/her job, whether it's part or full time ? Also, why would you care if there is money to make the scene exist ? When there was no money in foreign SC-BW, this was a time of trully passionate players, not like nowadays. And it was so full of good players who could compete with the Kr scene where there was much more money : passion vs money, what a true life teaching match. Dude, really ? | ||
Charoisaur
Germany15617 Posts
On February 13 2018 18:41 LDaVinci wrote: Sure, why would you care if your favorites players can make a good living out of his/her job, whether it's part or full time ? Also, why would you care if there is money to make the scene exist ? When there was no money in foreign SC-BW, this was a time of trully passionate players, not like nowadays. And it was so full of good players who could compete with the Kr scene where there was much more money : passion vs money, what a true life teaching match. Dude, really ? I get your point for specific tournaments as the stakes are obviously higher when there's a lot of money involved but I also don't understand what's the point of those lists "who has made the most prize money" It's only a small part of their income so those lists are just completely meaningless imo. | ||
Zaros
United Kingdom3673 Posts
On February 11 2018 14:39 nimdil wrote: Unless the sc2 as an esport project will be closed. It won't last forever. I'm a bit out of touch but I recall that the entertainment didn't validate prize mony in 2011/2012. It's not exactly better now and Blizzard won't pour money into ecosystem forever. I mean with the war chests funding substantial increases in prize money now and SC2 so far being the only esport associated with the Olympics i don't think its gonna go away any time soon. | ||
Charoisaur
Germany15617 Posts
On February 13 2018 20:37 Zaros wrote: I mean with the war chests funding substantial increases in prize money now and SC2 so far being the only esport associated with the Olympics i don't think its gonna go away any time soon. Let's be honest the "Olympics" tournament was a joke. No crowd, almost no publicity... not sure what was even the point of this deal | ||
lestye
United States4104 Posts
On February 13 2018 22:07 Charoisaur wrote: Let's be honest the "Olympics" tournament was a joke. No crowd, almost no publicity... not sure what was even the point of this deal Building blocks ? I think Scarlett's victory gave them more publicity than anyone expected anyway | ||
outscar
2789 Posts
On February 10 2018 01:57 opisska wrote: For me the by far most fascinating thing is TY 3rd. I did not even watch WESG, as far as I remember it wasn't the best run of tournaments ... yet it gave him two fucking hundred thousand bucks?! Main stage was stomp vs. foreigners until clutch finals vs. Maru but qualifiers were brutal where TY took down best players there so he totally deserves it. I'm more sad he tilted and threw hard his Blizzcon when he was up 2-0 vs. Rogue. Imagine him even winning that - even more unreal than Cinderella story, making so much not in 10± years of career but in single 2017. | ||
YourFavoriteTerran
33 Posts
On February 13 2018 18:41 LDaVinci wrote: Sure, why would you care if your favorites players can make a good living out of his/her job, whether it's part or full time ? Also, why would you care if there is money to make the scene exist ? When there was no money in foreign SC-BW, this was a time of trully passionate players, not like nowadays. And it was so full of good players who could compete with the Kr scene where there was much more money : passion vs money, what a true life teaching match. Dude, really ? I don't know how much you actually invested in watching the foreign vs Korean scene in Starcraft 1.. but there was maybe 3-5 players at a time over the course of decades that could 'compete' with koreans. And most of them just excelled at specific matchups that usually were PvT, TvT (honestly just like 2 players I can think of), and ZvT. | ||
LDaVinci
France130 Posts
On February 13 2018 19:12 Charoisaur wrote: I get your point for specific tournaments as the stakes are obviously higher when there's a lot of money involved but I also don't understand what's the point of those lists "who has made the most prize money" It's only a small part of their income so those lists are just completely meaningless imo. Then it's mainly story bulding. It adds to rivalried. It is definitely not a central point, maybe not even an important one. But it's definitely adding to stories. In that regard it's interesting. I don't know how much you actually invested in watching the foreign vs Korean scene in Starcraft 1.. but there was maybe 3-5 players at a time over the course of decades that could 'compete' with koreans. And most of them just excelled at specific matchups that usually were PvT, TvT (honestly just like 2 players I can think of), and ZvT. I don't know how much time you invested in humor and irony in your life, but definitely not enough. | ||
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