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On March 24 2018 14:18 Fango wrote:Tier 3 terran (ghosts, libs, ravens) probably loses to LBH in a straight fight yeah, if by straight fight you mean a-moving each other with no spell casting allowed.
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On March 24 2018 14:25 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2018 14:21 Fango wrote:On March 24 2018 14:19 Charoisaur wrote:On March 24 2018 14:16 Fango wrote: Is maru's turtle terran viable on this map? I feel like dark just takes the whole map There's probably no better map for this You say that but it was 8 base zerg to 4 base terran. Despite how cost effective ghosts and ravens supposedly are, if the zerg is ahead a few expansions they will still win. That's why usually in Maru's lategame he sends banshees and ghosts to take out hatcheries His mistake was probably as Tastosis pointed out that he took the harder to defend bases first. No way Dark can attack like this when Maru sits on the "normal" first 5 bases It was definitely a factor but I think Dark just wins on round 3 or 4 instead.
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Spell casting against LBH dont do much lbh if you arent presplit etc
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On March 24 2018 14:25 yangluphil wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2018 14:18 Fango wrote:On March 24 2018 14:17 pvsnp wrote: Is the answer to Ravens just ling/bane? Tier 3 terran (ghosts, libs, ravens) probably loses to LBH in a straight fight yeah, if by straight fight you mean a-moving each other with no spell casting allowed. Doesn't matter if Zerg loses that fight, their army is worth way less. Just remax and attack again when all the Ravens are out of energy. The key is still economy.
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On March 24 2018 14:25 yangluphil wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2018 14:18 Fango wrote:On March 24 2018 14:17 pvsnp wrote: Is the answer to Ravens just ling/bane? Tier 3 terran (ghosts, libs, ravens) probably loses to LBH in a straight fight yeah, if by straight fight you mean a-moving each other with no spell casting allowed. What spellcasting? Raven missiles don't do that much damage to ground units that aren't stacked. You can remake LBH faster that raven energy can come back,
Snipe isn't really enough to do much either. It's good against expensive units like ultras and broods.
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Wouldn't be surprised if Maru goes for mech into Ravens on this map. Ling/bane just evaporates if you have enough tanks. SH are always a concern, but outmaneuvering them is doable for Maru I think.
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Artosis I'm not sure that's what Bimbo means
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On March 24 2018 14:27 pvsnp wrote: Wouldn't be surprised if Maru goes for mech into Ravens on this map. Ling/bane just evaporates if you have enough tanks. SH are always a concern, but outmaneuvering them is doable for Maru I think.
I think Maru would welcome seeing swarmhosts.
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On March 24 2018 14:24 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2018 14:23 yangluphil wrote:On March 24 2018 14:17 pvsnp wrote: Is the answer to Ravens just ling/bane?
I guess so It is the answer when you can afford remaxing at least twice Which is perfectly reasonable given that a terran turtling to mass raven isn't much of a threat until they actually get there. Zerg can just out-expand them.
I agree in this particular game. Maru was at a big disadvantage from mid-game and opted for massing siege tanks to turtle on 4 bases, with no harassing units, trying to hang on. This gave Dark the chance to out expand the terran.
Ravens only break the game when terrans and zerg are fighting on equal terms from mid-game.
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On March 24 2018 14:32 yangluphil wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2018 14:24 Fango wrote:On March 24 2018 14:23 yangluphil wrote:On March 24 2018 14:17 pvsnp wrote: Is the answer to Ravens just ling/bane?
I guess so It is the answer when you can afford remaxing at least twice Which is perfectly reasonable given that a terran turtling to mass raven isn't much of a threat until they actually get there. Zerg can just out-expand them. I agree in this particular game. Maru was at a big disadvantage from mid-game and opted for massing siege tanks to turtle on 4 bases, with no harassing units, trying to hang on. This gave Dark the chance to out expand the terran. Ravens only break the game when terrans and zerg are fighting on equal terms from mid-game. Ravens can only break the game if you let Terran get a critical mass of them, which takes a shitload of gas and a very long time. Zerg expanding and repeatedly attacking a transitioning Terran can win, as demonstrated by Dark. Imagine Maru survived that fatal wave of ling/bane. How far behind do you think the next wave was? The wave after that?
As long as Dark had an undisturbed economy (and Maru didn't) he would inevitably win.
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On March 24 2018 14:27 pvsnp wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2018 14:25 yangluphil wrote:On March 24 2018 14:18 Fango wrote:On March 24 2018 14:17 pvsnp wrote: Is the answer to Ravens just ling/bane? Tier 3 terran (ghosts, libs, ravens) probably loses to LBH in a straight fight yeah, if by straight fight you mean a-moving each other with no spell casting allowed. Doesn't matter if Zerg loses that fight, their army is worth way less. Just remax and attack again when all the Ravens are out of energy. The key is still economy.
I never said it necessarily matter. But the statement tier 3 terran units would lose in a straight fight vs LBH is a bit too much.
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Are we back in game 3 already?
Guess not.
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On March 24 2018 14:39 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Fleet beacon already? Huh?
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Will dark wait until Maru makes ravens then just attack and win?
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On March 24 2018 14:39 The_Templar wrote:Huh?
Fusion core :/
I keep on mixing up my buildings.
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Eh, Maru was so much ahead
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On March 24 2018 14:40 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2018 14:39 The_Templar wrote:On March 24 2018 14:39 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Fleet beacon already? Huh? Fusion core :/ I keep on mixing up my buildings. Oh, I thought you had a running joke about Maru playing Protoss.
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On March 24 2018 14:39 Fango wrote: Will dark wait until Maru makes ravens then just attack and win?
He should've, but he built brood lords instead
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Maru's in a much better position than last game, the question is whether it will matter in the end
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