Both getting crushed on their map pick and NaVi looking aweful on train so far
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Both getting crushed on their map pick and NaVi looking aweful on train so far | ||
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Deserved victory for Mouz though. S1mple cant solo teams like Mouz alone sadly | ||
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Denmark9240 Posts
On May 31 2018 18:05 Ragnarork wrote: Thorin and premature, name a more iconic duo. Still loving the memory of when he had to buy champagne for EnVyUs. If I was a betting company, I would make an arrangement deal with Thorin where I gave him 1500 euro (or something like that) per tournament and make him use that money to make different types of bets that he would tweet about. You won't get more efficient advertising for 1500 euro, because when Thorin will lose everyone will retweet and laugh about how Thorin losses all his money. Win-win situation for everyone involded: Thorins' bank account, the bookmaker, people who want to see Thorin fail. Only a loss for Thorins' ego. Anyway, that was enough free consulting for me. | ||
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On June 01 2018 19:12 Hider wrote: If I was a betting company, I would make an arrangement deal with Thorin where I gave him 1500 euro (or something like that) per tournament and make him use that money to make different types of bets that he would tweet about. You won't get more efficient advertising for 1500 euro, because when Thorin will lose everyone will retweet and laugh about how Thorin losses all his money. Win-win situation for everyone involded: Thorins' bank account, the bookmaker, people who want to see Thorin fail. Only a loss for Thorins' ego. Anyway, that was enough free consulting for me. Haha indeed. Brb setting up a betting company. | ||
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On June 01 2018 21:34 Ragnarork wrote: Haha indeed. Brb setting up a betting company. Thorins contract with esportspool also just ran out so it's perfect timing. 4/8 of the analyst desk predicted RNG to beat NRG. I really have no idea how anyone got to the conclusion based on the data availalble that RNG should be the favourite. Even if you heavily discredit NRGs online results 1-3 months ago, they should still be the better team. Sometimes when reading Thorins predictions it's like he per-definition goes against whatever team performs well online even if both teams have similar performances offline over the past 2-3 events. Having good online results is apparently something that makes you play even worse offline. IIRC last Starseries Hellraisers came into the event with very good online results and performed very well at the tournament. Yet, after the tournament Thorim said "noone could have predicted Hellraisers to perform this well". So if you constantly ignore the situations where online form does matter going into an event and repediately states the situations where the correlation wasn't there, then chances are you are going to make a ton of shitty predictions. | ||
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Having good online results is apparently something that makes you play even worse offline. There was one occurence where this was actually holding true. EnVy had a tear in all the qualifiers online, booking spots for multiple events, before the kio + hadji change. But as soon as they were at a LAN, it's like they forgot how to play. I personally think online form does not count as much as offline form, evidently, but it's not non-existent and something you can't take into account either... Fnatic converted that very well at the end of 2017 and early 2018. And when they dipped in form online after WESG, well guess what, they were making less finals and snatched less trophies... | ||
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I personally think online form does not count as much as offline form, evidently, but it's not non-existent and something you can't take into account either... Fnatic converted that very well at the end of 2017 and early 2018. And when they dipped in form online after WESG, well guess what, they were making less finals and snatched less trophies.. Yes, given the same sample size, offline results are a better indicator of future offline results than online results. But at least historically (back when had these bo1 formats at offline tours), the sample size online results provided was extremely valueable. Attempting to rate a team that has played 5 offline maps over the past 2 months instead of taking into acocunt the 70 online maps it has played throughtout the period is a receipt for terrible analysis. I think there are a few reasons people tend to undervalue the value of online results is a combination of the following factors: 1. Historically speaking there used to be a lot more cheaters in online CS. (pre CSGO I guess that was the case a lot). 2. Teams tend to play worse opponents online, that's especially the case for NA teams and when they bash them online and lose to top teams offline, bad analysts tend to conclude that this means online results doesn't matter. 3. There can be time-differences. E.g. let's say a team had great online performances 2-4 months ago, but recently they dipped a bit. But analysts (like thorin) doesn't really notice that they dipped, and instead rate them as an online team going into the next tournament. And vice versa also happens. 4. Confirmation bias. If you already suffer from the above 3 errors in your analysis, and then believe your analysis is true, you will tend to look at every result as it proving you are right and look everytime it doesn't matter. This means that you won't be able to correct your wrong theories. Bad narratives/myths can continue to exists forever and be accepted as "truths" in the community. | ||
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explains why coldzera looks much better. | ||
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What a clutch | ||
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Stewie2k for the win!!!!!!!!! | ||
BlackCompany
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It's so frustrating to see them fail close out important maps tournament after tournament.. lets see if they at least stop falling apart on map 2 after loosing a close map 1, i dont want that happening again Inferno was a sick 1v1 of cold vs s1mple, unfortunally cold had the better team partners | ||
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coldzera with 42 bombs woah. | ||
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