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@Cake - I'd known about you/rayn from when I was invited to play here; forgot about it entirely until I was with my GF last night which I'd brought up to Rayn in the same conversation and was like "Oh shit, yeah, that's probably vital information to tell Gemma since it may impact how she reads things", messaged her it and the rest is history.
Going to run through why I think you're wrong on Calix here because I'm pretty sure you're both town and I think it's important you realise that and actually start focusing elsewhere. Running through your case in #441.
--> I think it was relatively obvious that Gemmas post was either a) pre-game or b) copy-pasta and not a serious post from a neutrals point of view, both of which aren't really alignment indicative so Calix's stance there shouldn't be "strange".
--> Calix voted HF at 9:22, 22 minutes after game-start and a time when HF hadn't posted, it was clearly a joke/RVS vote, that's pretty standard from just about everywhere I play and I don't think there's anything to make of that.
--> A large part of the reason you've stated for scum reading Calix is his reasoning behind his scum read on you, does the fact that both Gemma and myself, not just agreed with but mentioned some of these similar reasons (And I think Moscta did too) before Calix even said it affect your thoughts here? If you're town here, he can easily be town and just wrong about you, it doesn't mean his thought process was impossible at all. His concern was with the fact that it felt like you were buddying players in the manner you were giving out reads.
--> He wasn't saying that he doesn't care about old games and meta at all, just stating that the strength and impact of meta isn't enough to completely whittle down his scum read on you, that's logical. I think meta is often horrendously used by a lot of players and have seen it lose town games frequently, don't take "meta" on board quickly is a good thing.
You need to be able step back here, assess here.
- R
(Also fwiw, I'm actually pretty damn sure you're town here and that he is too).
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On June 27 2018 20:15 Calix wrote: I'm as good as rayn and HF? Since when? lmao
Anyway I've skimmed the thread. I'm making the executive decision to largely ignore the TWO (!!!) giant cases against me since I'll be working for most of the day and putting me on the defense near EOD is a really bad idea. I'll be around for EOD though so I can do some filter-diving and give reads then ^^
Also Regfan goes up a notch for being sensible, looking into things and discouraging that dumb fight or whatever you'd call it between Tictock and Mocsta (while Mocsta's case was pretty bad, it's not mafia-terrible, I don't think).
Regfan also realises that, in a game where about 1/3 of the players aren't actually playing, lynching someone who is playing on D1 is suboptimal.
Yes, yes, this argument is really self-serving but it's not wrong so you should probably just do it.
In a normal game, this would be the part where I tell you who the best lynch is but I would be lying if I said I had any preference. Sure, I can analyse Koshi/ ShoCkeyy/ Vivax or whine about how terrible it is that two players haven't posted yet. But I don't think it's possible to accurately assess players with such low post counts so I don't see the point of wasting time by pretending to do so. I could lynch literally any of them right now and my thoughts are probably not changing until they actually start doing stuff. I actually think you're town now and so does Regfan, he's taking care of that and I'm supposed to be taking care of our lynch but I'm not really functional IRL right now so I could use some help, I know you've kind of fallen apart and don't know who to lynch at all but I'd appreciate having your voice.
My favored lynches right now are Vivax/TT/Conversion but Regfan doesn't want to lynch TT and Mocsta says that Vivax is self-resolving so I feel a little bit stuck. It's probably worse because I feel like shit and my reads on them are basically just gut at this point. Anyway I'm going to filter them and try to read and figure out what I think properly and put down some stuff in thread hopefully and would really appreciate it if you look over it with me if you feel up for it.
-G
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Should mention Gemma thinks I'm wrong about TT, trying to have a convo with her about him now.
On June 27 2018 20:27 Calix wrote: Wasn't that post #203 that Gemma made this comment about? O.o Is something she linked me to very recently.
On June 27 2018 20:33 CopCake wrote: I made a beautiful case against Calix and in went directly to the bathroom it seems. Have made a big post about yours above.
- R
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I'm pretty much at a spot where I'd bet the game on Mostca being town, I think HF/Calix/Cake are super town too.
I had a town read on TT but Gemma is leaning the opposite way and he's the sort of player that I think normally slips through my cracks on D1 so think he's certainly worthwhile another look over and a conversation with Gemma about at minimum. Also want to go over Rayn, initial impression from his posting here is that he's probably frustratingly town but it's a read I want to make sure on because I know how much shit he'll give me if he's scum and I'm wrong on him post-game and losing to him if his tactic was to fake spitting the dummy to get out of posting would be very painful.
If people want to talk to me about anyone in particular some more while I'm doing some reading, go for it.
- R
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Calix’s #172 post is bad, sorry and it is not because I felt “pressure” that I am “blinded”, Mostca also called me out and my reaction was different because I felt Mostca “real” while Calix seem forced and wrong:
1.- Cake makes stupid questioonssssss 2.- Cake hasnt pushed someone
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Like small details of “where is the paranoia?” Of his posts big me a lot
Because yeah I tend to get paranoid but how does Calix know I get paranoid?
Or is it normal nowdays on TL to get paranoid on a day 1?
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Actually I do have enough time to respond to one case.
On June 27 2018 08:15 Mocsta wrote:##Vote: Calix+ Show Spoiler [quotes] +On June 26 2018 08:06 Calix wrote: Sup, long time no see. Fancy randomly bandwagoning some AFK person for the lulz? On June 26 2018 08:14 Tictock wrote: On second thought, lets vote Regfan, purely for having an obscene prepared post, that I will prob never read. On June 26 2018 08:15 Calix wrote: It was clearly written before he received his role because if he was an investigative role, he (or she, since this is Gemma?) would know that Cops on this site don't get N0 checks.
Thus it's not AI.
I would like to know more about the two players in the hydra though. How many games have they played, where are they from, stuff like that. On June 26 2018 10:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:Calix literally didn't take a stance on anything since the conclusion says "not alignment indicative". Which is by the way the opposite you claimed a conclusion towards your post should be in the first place. Secondly, the conclusion sucks even more since the first paragraph of her post includes an indirect assumption that your hydra is town, which again contradicts clearly to the conclusion she has made. There is no reason to believe, in case your post is pre-written, that you do not believe you have a cop check on N0 as a cop so a smart person, instead of making that post would instead of writing a nice looking nice sounding nonsense post ask "why don't you wanna claim your check right now?" If you think people who are being nice are more likely to be town and people who are not nice are not, then you have a very terrible view of what this game is about. Also if what you said here: Show nested quote +...did it in a way that contributed to discussion in a healthy way [...] which feels like a town thing ..if you actually believe this, then you should probably call yourself mafia for the very first post you made this game. On June 26 2018 10:49 Tictock wrote: I'm not sure I saw anything in Calix's post that made the assumption that Gemma-Reg is town, but I overall agree with rayn here.
Calix's switch in stance from "lets rando vote someone for lol's" to "thats not AI, don't vote" seemed sudden to me. Especially when my suggestion to pile votes on Reg had nothing to do with alignment. I feel slightly hypocritical here though, kus I switched my own stance of "I don't wanna vote pointlessly" to off the cuff voting someone just kus they did something I think is stupid.
Actually maybe I do see what you mean here Rayn, there is no way Calix should be able to make any assumption about when Reg prepared that post. PM's went out an hour before the game started so there was plenty of time to decide to do something like that after getting a role, and there should be no real way to tell when someone makes that call.
Anyways, I'll optimistically call Rayn and Mocsta town here. On June 26 2018 10:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: If the underlined part is really what Calix believes, there is no reason to assume a mafia fakecliming to be a cop would not believe they don't have a N0 check (since that's how it clearly works where Gemma usually plays, and there are indications of that for anyone whop has ever played anywhere else since it's almost always how it works).
So instead of writing the post off as non-alignment indicative any smart person -- again, believing what Calix clearly implies here -- would try to possibly catch a mafia in a lie by asking "so why don't you wanna claim your check now?"
Calix has struck me as a player who digs into stuff and small discrepancies even when they possibly don't matter (especially in the game where i was mafia with bugs and oats), and this "ignorance" towards a possibly revealing discussion seems very un-Calix-like. I have highlighted key parts of the quotes in red, as I do believe this is a genuine scum slip/town tell & may have gone over most peoples heads. (1) Calix requests random vote bandwagon (2) Regfan posts a fake post (3) TT requests to vote Regfan (implied to Calix) (4) Calix provides "analysis of Regfan post" by commenting on validity of cop claim (5) Other posters comment on "Regfan post" by simply stating "copypasta" What I find critical about this sequence of events is that: - Calix cop claim assessment doesn't consider a world where Regfan is mafia and fake-posting, instead - Calix auto-assumes a world where Regfan is cop or VT This is important because Calix is changing gears from "random vote" to "analysis before vote" to provide this contribution that is in essence providing town-lean evidence to upgrade from scummy to NULL. This only satisfies mafia agenda. You provide authentic contribution (i.e. town read), make a potential ally in Regfan, and possibly start a wagon on those that scum read Regfan. I think the townier way to go about the fake-post was what others did. Comment that its a copy/paste and move on. In a world where you only have your PM that is green or blue; how do you read into that fake-post any further.... well, you cant. So why does Calix then go out on a limb so early? Why jump to the conclusion that a fake-post is from town land only? Why change gears in the first place?I absolutely understand why town and scum would not want to random vote; but I cannot comprehend why any town would want to feign a care-free attitude to then ditch it immediately.
I wanted to vote because the host is using my 'self-vote' mechanic from last game, therefore voting elsewhere ASAP is a good idea.
I commented on the post before anyone called it copypasta (and I didn't realise it was copypasta, something you fail to consider). You should have realised from reading the thread in chronological order.
I stated the post was NAI which thus can't assume that he is a certain alignment BY DEFINITION of it being NAI. I remember having this argument with mafia!rayn last game because people apparently don't know what NAI means. Your conclusion that I'm trying to pocket him has zero validity with that in mind.
How can anyone be upgraded from 'scummy to null' when all posters at the start of the game are null? The fuck kind of logic is this.
The assumptions made in this post are so bad and twisted that I don't even know what to make of it. Aside from it being really terrible.
On June 27 2018 08:45 Mocsta wrote:This is my chance to nitpick look at the red & focus on the underline. This is a vote with supporting "case", and the key component has a qualifier inserted in it. This suggests to me a lack of confidence (or self-authenticity) behind the post; yet it is drafted aggressively with confidence. Sometimes, its the devil in the details, and given that Calix had no pressure on her at the time, I see no reason for a townie to feel compelled to release a case with that qualifier. Show nested quote +On June 26 2018 16:06 Calix wrote: ##Vote: CopCake
Two reasons for this:
1) Asks stupid questions. This is self-explanatory. She hasn't asked anything that would actually advance the game forward. But they are questions you make when you want to LOOK like you're doing things.
2) Makes excuses for way too many players in way too short a time period which she is probably doing because she has TMI and knows that the players are being genuine.
The arrogance is real here.
If you're going to nitpick at how I talk, perhaps you should actually check to make sure THAT'S NOT HOW I USUALLY TALK. Jesus Christ, this is something that actually requires meta and knowing the person behind the screen a bit better than you do. I throw in qualifiers all the time. Hell, I've just used several in this paragraph alone.
In any case, these arguments rely on false or disproven assumptions, incorrect information about how I talk, and doesn't consider some obvious town motivations for what I did (like not knowing the post was copypasta).
I still maintain this guy is town but is just arrogant and has his head wedged up his arse. I conclude this because he assumes things about my personality that he doesn't know (he's never talked to me before) and refuses to engage with me even when I'm in the thread with him (because pissing off your scum-reads by refusing to talk to them is a BRILLIANT strategy that won't ever backfire if you change your mind later).
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On June 27 2018 20:48 CopCake wrote: Like small details of “where is the paranoia?” Of his posts big me a lot
Because yeah I tend to get paranoid but how does Calix know I get paranoid?
Or is it normal nowdays on TL to get paranoid on a day 1?
I'm saying that townies usually express paranoia, not that you specifically express paranoia. As said about 47690347 times, I don't know the first thing about you so stop acting like I'm using your meta to read you when I'm not -_-
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I think it's normal at any website to be paranoid about reads on D1 for most players, most people have a fair bit of doubt when it comes to stating strong scum/town reads based on early information, or should some sort of doubt or thought process that led towards the strength of the read they have. I didn't felt you did that, I still don't feel like you did that, it's something he brought up; I think it stems from you having a fair bit of a different playstyle to most people I encounter. I very much can understand his grievances with you there, we also felt like you were ~floaty~ in the thread so to speak in that you were here, mostly stating town reads. I really don't think I can make it any more clear to you than that. It's what we thought, its what he thought, I don't think it's a scum-tell for him to have thought that at all.
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On June 27 2018 08:15 Mocsta wrote:##Vote: Calix+ Show Spoiler [quotes] +On June 26 2018 08:06 Calix wrote: Sup, long time no see. Fancy randomly bandwagoning some AFK person for the lulz? On June 26 2018 08:14 Tictock wrote: On second thought, lets vote Regfan, purely for having an obscene prepared post, that I will prob never read. On June 26 2018 08:15 Calix wrote: It was clearly written before he received his role because if he was an investigative role, he (or she, since this is Gemma?) would know that Cops on this site don't get N0 checks.
Thus it's not AI.
I would like to know more about the two players in the hydra though. How many games have they played, where are they from, stuff like that. On June 26 2018 10:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:Calix literally didn't take a stance on anything since the conclusion says "not alignment indicative". Which is by the way the opposite you claimed a conclusion towards your post should be in the first place. Secondly, the conclusion sucks even more since the first paragraph of her post includes an indirect assumption that your hydra is town, which again contradicts clearly to the conclusion she has made. There is no reason to believe, in case your post is pre-written, that you do not believe you have a cop check on N0 as a cop so a smart person, instead of making that post would instead of writing a nice looking nice sounding nonsense post ask "why don't you wanna claim your check right now?" If you think people who are being nice are more likely to be town and people who are not nice are not, then you have a very terrible view of what this game is about. Also if what you said here: Show nested quote +...did it in a way that contributed to discussion in a healthy way [...] which feels like a town thing ..if you actually believe this, then you should probably call yourself mafia for the very first post you made this game. On June 26 2018 10:49 Tictock wrote: I'm not sure I saw anything in Calix's post that made the assumption that Gemma-Reg is town, but I overall agree with rayn here.
Calix's switch in stance from "lets rando vote someone for lol's" to "thats not AI, don't vote" seemed sudden to me. Especially when my suggestion to pile votes on Reg had nothing to do with alignment. I feel slightly hypocritical here though, kus I switched my own stance of "I don't wanna vote pointlessly" to off the cuff voting someone just kus they did something I think is stupid.
Actually maybe I do see what you mean here Rayn, there is no way Calix should be able to make any assumption about when Reg prepared that post. PM's went out an hour before the game started so there was plenty of time to decide to do something like that after getting a role, and there should be no real way to tell when someone makes that call.
Anyways, I'll optimistically call Rayn and Mocsta town here. On June 26 2018 10:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: If the underlined part is really what Calix believes, there is no reason to assume a mafia fakecliming to be a cop would not believe they don't have a N0 check (since that's how it clearly works where Gemma usually plays, and there are indications of that for anyone whop has ever played anywhere else since it's almost always how it works).
So instead of writing the post off as non-alignment indicative any smart person -- again, believing what Calix clearly implies here -- would try to possibly catch a mafia in a lie by asking "so why don't you wanna claim your check now?"
Calix has struck me as a player who digs into stuff and small discrepancies even when they possibly don't matter (especially in the game where i was mafia with bugs and oats), and this "ignorance" towards a possibly revealing discussion seems very un-Calix-like. I have highlighted key parts of the quotes in red, as I do believe this is a genuine scum slip/town tell & may have gone over most peoples heads. (1) Calix requests random vote bandwagon (2) Regfan posts a fake post (3) TT requests to vote Regfan (implied to Calix) (4) Calix provides "analysis of Regfan post" by commenting on validity of cop claim (5) Other posters comment on "Regfan post" by simply stating "copypasta" What I find critical about this sequence of events is that: - Calix cop claim assessment doesn't consider a world where Regfan is mafia and fake-posting, instead - Calix auto-assumes a world where Regfan is cop or VT This is important because Calix is changing gears from "random vote" to "analysis before vote" to provide this contribution that is in essence providing town-lean evidence to upgrade from scummy to NULL. This only satisfies mafia agenda. You provide authentic contribution (i.e. town read), make a potential ally in Regfan, and possibly start a wagon on those that scum read Regfan. I think the townier way to go about the fake-post was what others did. Comment that its a copy/paste and move on. In a world where you only have your PM that is green or blue; how do you read into that fake-post any further.... well, you cant. So why does Calix then go out on a limb so early? Why jump to the conclusion that a fake-post is from town land only? Why change gears in the first place?I absolutely understand why town and scum would not want to random vote; but I cannot comprehend why any town would want to feign a care-free attitude to then ditch it immediately. I want to respond to this before I start on anything else because I know you said you value my input considering how differently we think about things, and I don't want you to think that I don't respect your reads or care about the work you've done.
I actually don't think what you're looking at is super indicative, I think town make small assumptions like that pretty often and sometimes it's just that they make an inductive leap or because it isn't or doesn't seem necessary.
I don't think you're right that what he did only satisfies scum agenda. I understand what you're seeing there, but I think it can also just be him as town making a post, maybe a bad post, but just a post about things that he thought. I kind of think that you might be going a little too deep. I don't think that mafia very often think on that many levels inside one post, or try to do all of those things at once like that. Not that early in the game anyway.
I think if you simplify the whole thing, then you've got Calix seeing people talk about something, recognizing to himself that it's not actually indicative, and moving to put a close to a discussion that isn't really fruitful by saying that it's not AI.
I think there's actually a fair bit more mafia motivation in stirring shit up about it, trying to keep town distracted from meaningful gamesolving, keep them thinking that it's a scummy or weird post, or even attacking someone who is attacking it.
I don't know if any of that makes sense or not or helps you at all.
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On June 27 2018 20:35 Regfan wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2018 20:15 Calix wrote: I'm as good as rayn and HF? Since when? lmao
Anyway I've skimmed the thread. I'm making the executive decision to largely ignore the TWO (!!!) giant cases against me since I'll be working for most of the day and putting me on the defense near EOD is a really bad idea. I'll be around for EOD though so I can do some filter-diving and give reads then ^^
Also Regfan goes up a notch for being sensible, looking into things and discouraging that dumb fight or whatever you'd call it between Tictock and Mocsta (while Mocsta's case was pretty bad, it's not mafia-terrible, I don't think).
Regfan also realises that, in a game where about 1/3 of the players aren't actually playing, lynching someone who is playing on D1 is suboptimal.
Yes, yes, this argument is really self-serving but it's not wrong so you should probably just do it.
In a normal game, this would be the part where I tell you who the best lynch is but I would be lying if I said I had any preference. Sure, I can analyse Koshi/ ShoCkeyy/ Vivax or whine about how terrible it is that two players haven't posted yet. But I don't think it's possible to accurately assess players with such low post counts so I don't see the point of wasting time by pretending to do so. I could lynch literally any of them right now and my thoughts are probably not changing until they actually start doing stuff. I actually think you're town now and so does Regfan, he's taking care of that and I'm supposed to be taking care of our lynch but I'm not really functional IRL right now so I could use some help, I know you've kind of fallen apart and don't know who to lynch at all but I'd appreciate having your voice. My favored lynches right now are Vivax/TT/Conversion but Regfan doesn't want to lynch TT and Mocsta says that Vivax is self-resolving so I feel a little bit stuck. It's probably worse because I feel like shit and my reads on them are basically just gut at this point. Anyway I'm going to filter them and try to read and figure out what I think properly and put down some stuff in thread hopefully and would really appreciate it if you look over it with me if you feel up for it. -G
Why Conversion? I think he's well townie. Same for TT.
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Did Calix care about my meta? No Cared about how is my playstyle or get to know me? No Took in consideration what rayn said? No Stopped when HF told him I am confusing? Yes
I have problems with this, I am actually trying to see these with different eyes but when TWO strong players told her NO is when Calix stopped.
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-G
(Just for you, person whose name I don't even remember who thinks this hydra is boring and awful.
Ugh, I blame Regfan for this flood control.)
Oh uh, Regfan forgot to sign a post too, cool. 509 is R, 510 is G.
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(Fuck flood control. I'm still trying to find a Conversion post to filter him)
On June 27 2018 14:39 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2018 14:28 Regfan wrote: I'm mostly caught up to date, want to do a bunch of rereads and still haven't heard much from Gemma when I get home from work in ~4 hours; we've scheduled a time later tonight to talk over our reads/thoughts at least.
Going to dump some thoughts in my breaks at work so this'll come out in bits and pieces.
-> Not remotely a fan of Koshi's entrance and posting so far, his buddying up to Rayn in particular is problematic given if Rayns town here I'm not seeing eye to eye with a fair chunk of his reads and can easily see mafia taking advantage of that as well as using him as an excuse to not have to actually post readable content. Would like others to let me know if this is just TypicalKoshiThings or not.
-> Shockeeys posts thus far aren't much better than Koshis, dislike that his posts suggest he's already got around to reading parts of the thread but seeing little to no thoughts from him yet. Am very much hoping it's a case of him working towards a bigger catch up post but otherwise can see him easily being scum that's trying to coast through the day while focus is elsewhere.
-> Box & Slendy being no-shows so far isn't great at all given we're more than half way through the day phase. Even moreso disappointing from Slendy given he's a large part of the reason I joined this game and was someone I thought I'd be able to still get a grip on and read even after all this time relatively easily.
- R Meh, the only person I'm not feeling is tictock, they have "six" scum reads, me being included which I haven't done much like you said, and seem very indecisive when trying to pin some one as mafia, then the whole "I'm unlynachable" doesn't sit well. It's still early in D1 to tell, we have till 6pm EDT tomorrow before I actually make any decent reads unlike how everyone is at each others throats D1 calling each other scum instead of working together to find scum lol... but yea, that bigger catchup post will happen. Actually, add this person to my lynch pool. This thread entrance feels way too informed and narrow. I also dislike that they have no other presence in the game and didn't stick around at all after making it.
-G
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Cake, no offence but I am/was also hesitant to put much weight on Rayns meta read/reasoning on you. I don't think the meta reasoning that Rayn brought up was even remotely strong and the fact I didn't have a solid read on Rayn at the time nor do I know if I can trust him enough to be someone that can separate his emotions from the game enough to read you properly are all things that play a factor. I can very much understand why that wouldn't swing Calix's opinion around and truthfully, I still don't really think the meta means jack shit right here. I think him not asking you about your playstyle or having done research about it himself is reasonable, most of the time you get grips with peoples playstyle or realise when your concerns are playstyle clashes as the day phase unfolds or the game unfolds, looks to be what happened here.
I'm not going to continue to talk with you about this though, because really can't be more clear than what I have.
- R
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On June 27 2018 21:05 CopCake wrote: Did Calix care about my meta? No Cared about how is my playstyle or get to know me? No Took in consideration what rayn said? No Stopped when HF told him I am confusing? Yes
I have problems with this, I am actually trying to see these with different eyes but when TWO strong players told her NO is when Calix stopped.
You mean that if multiple people tell me I'm wrong about a player that I might actually be...wrong? Call the fucking presses.
I also didn't stop pushing you because of HF calling you confusing nor did I make no attempts to 'get to know you' better. That's not even remotely close to what happened.
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On June 27 2018 19:28 Regfan wrote:Really difficult to actually get a read on Conversion here since his HF push/scum-read looks to be entirely based on some OGI-esque type grudge or a joke-push that he's just maintained for the sheer majority of the day phase. It has scum motivation in that they can hide behind a push that can easily be chalked up as less alignment indicative but ultimately neither of those things feel out of the question for a TL player to do as town. There's other reads/thoughts inside his ISO, some I can sort of follow, others I can't, really though, not a lot to actually get a solidish read on anywhere there. @Conversion - 1) Can you please just run through where your concern with HF stems from; what's he done here or previously that makes you think he's a worthy policy lynch type player? Can you also try and pull away from your issues with him as a person/player and run through what you think of his alignment in this game 2) How'd your dive into TT go, wouldn't mind you running through your stance on Vivax a little more for me, in #373, you mention you don't really think either him or Calix is mafia, I can follow your reasoning for not thinking they're a scum team there but I don't really see much more to it and removing him and throwing Shockwave/Koshi as your lynch pool feels fairly lazy. - R
1) I'm not actually being serious about HF. He sounds town, doesn't like TT like me. Overall his play is unimpressive to me so far
2) After some thought,TT is unremarkable and does his whole unlynchable shtick, but I doubt mafia would do that on a day where people get lynched for more inane reasons than that. That lynch pool was a gun to my head if I were to vote on people. I still don't think there's a mafia in Vivax/Calix, but I may be wrong.
If I'm going by PoE, you and rayn are not lynches today. Mocsta/HF/Cop are my town reads. Shockeyy/Vivax/Calix/Koshi
My Vivax read is more of a gut feel as he hasn't posted enough to form any read to me. I do actively question people who scum read him and Calix together as that makes almost 0% sense in my books
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Shockey's take on TT saying he's unlynchable doesn't sit right with me and that's his only scumread. Exits with the promise of a big post.
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HF/koshi/shockey works for me actually. Probably a better combination than one including rayn, although I don't understand his anger about conversion, mostly cause I would just agree that I'm a dick at times.
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On June 27 2018 19:49 Regfan wrote:-> Went over HFs ISO a few times in the last hour, actually have a very strong town read on the dude, I disagree/dislike his reasoning for scum reading TT initially (I've made and crossed out posts before as town so I don't think it's ever really a scum tell) but I can see it as something he'd easily believe to be the case in the early game. The read progressing to it being a meta sort of problem with TT is something I can also sort of buy, regardless of the accuracy of it or not I think comments like his #397 are the sort of ones that scum normally refrain from making since it tends to actually cause enemies/lead towards an OMGUS from the person they're accusing. Probably won't explain this well but I don't think HF/TT are scum together here (Isn't entirely impossible like some of the other not W/W pairings I have but I think it's only the case a very very small % of the time) and I think Scum!HF saying this towards Town!TT is something he'd feel very awkward from actually doing, particularly given he's not even really voting or pushing TT. I disagree with his analysis on Moscsta re; Mosctas "If HF does this he's town" comment but I can very much follow his thought process there and think his own turn around on Moscta in #286 and #324 read very town. I find his reads/thoughts/analysis very easy to follow and understand in posts like #255 and #261 and pretty much all up can see him actually trying to work towards gamesolving inside his posts, his pushes, votes and reads all ring very genuine. Would consider him my second strongest town read after Moscta at the moment. - R
None of these posts are townie :D
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