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On July 03 2018 13:31 KlassicSC2 wrote:Quick thing to note that I don't think anyone has said yet. Boogie has been talking all year about getting a max contract with as many years as possible(or at least something comparable). Teams have likely been more or less weary about giving him so much money for a long term deal this offseason, probably throwing him conservative offers (less money and/or fewer years) in case he doesn't return to full form. Boogie's goal here is probably to ball-out for this one year and get paid next offseason by the highest bidder, Kinda like DRose's plan with the Cavs last year. Winning a ring is a plus
Spiteful me would like to see Boogie come back from his injury the same way IT came back from his. Imagine if this ring ends up costing him $100 million in the long run.
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It's just basketball man, relax
Though I don't think Bogie will be even close to 50% when he returns. What's the success rate of post achilles heel injury?
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NO did say they offered him a higher contract than GSW. He could have "balled out" with about every other team. But they can't offer the same #culture, for sure. I really hope not every NBA player in the future has the same mindset. You have to realize that a ring you could have gotten by getting DNPs every game doesn't have much value.
In retrospect though, 1 or 2 more of these will make what Durant did look completely okay real quick, even to me xD.
Edit: Meanwhile the Lakers are surrounding Lebron with the LeBrick squad.
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On July 03 2018 15:45 ZenithM wrote: NO did say they offered him a higher contract than GSW. He could have "balled out" with about every other team. But they can't offer the same #culture, for sure. I really hope not every NBA player in the future has the same mindset. You have to realize that a ring you could have gotten by getting DNPs every game doesn't have much value.
In retrospect though, 1 or 2 more of these will make what Durant did look completely okay real quick, even to me xD. Its quite staggering how much money guys are willing to give up to chase rings. But the money is staggering I guess they figure, with endorsements I can make 300 million and lose or 225 million in my career and win. What is the lifestyle difference? 75 million is huge but can you live that different earning 300 compared to 225?
The super max was thought to stop this by making it so guys would stay because they could make more, but the top guys are turning it down and it is so much the owners are scared to give it to others.
Im not sure how they bargin to fix this, or if they want to. As much as some say it is killing basketball, ratings and revenues disagree. GSW is killing the NBA is as true as REAL Madrid killed Soccer.
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On July 03 2018 15:45 ZenithM wrote: NO did say they offered him a higher contract than GSW. He could have "balled out" with about every other team. But they can't offer the same #culture, for sure. I really hope not every NBA player in the future has the same mindset. You have to realize that a ring you could have gotten by getting DNPs every game doesn't have much value.
In retrospect though, 1 or 2 more of these will make what Durant did look completely okay real quick, even to me xD.
Edit: Meanwhile the Lakers are surrounding Lebron with the LeBrick squad.
I think the Boogie thing is clearly a Fuck-You to the offers he was getting. He thinks that he is a max player and no one was offering (plus most people easily see that in the next two years a ton of the shitty huge contracts signed by retarded teams will expire). Whether he is foolish or smart is entirely a gamble, but its not too silly to turn down a 2x19 contract for a 1x5 if you think the 1x5 has a much better chance of leading to a 4x40.
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I've read that too, I can see that being true. But in my mind there is no fuck-you-league "ironic" ring chasing :D. It's just ring chasing.
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On July 03 2018 15:45 ZenithM wrote: NO did say they offered him a higher contract than GSW. He could have "balled out" with about every other team. But they can't offer the same #culture, for sure. I really hope not every NBA player in the future has the same mindset. You have to realize that a ring you could have gotten by getting DNPs every game doesn't have much value.
In retrospect though, 1 or 2 more of these will make what Durant did look completely okay real quick, even to me xD.
Edit: Meanwhile the Lakers are surrounding Lebron with the LeBrick squad.
Only time will tell how fans look back on these championships. For KD and Boogie a ring they would have gotten with DNPs is still better than no ring at all. I honestly think the only person whose legacy this hurts is Steph. He had back to back MVPs, back to back Finals appearances, and he was the sole leader of a Warriors team that was built as organically as possible. Now he's just a piece in a super team. Who knows what his ceiling would have been before these superstars decided to hop on the bandwagon.
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On July 03 2018 16:33 ZenithM wrote: I've read that too, I can see that being true. But in my mind there is no fuck-you-league "ironic" ring chasing :D. It's just ring chasing.
On July 03 2018 16:48 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2018 15:45 ZenithM wrote: NO did say they offered him a higher contract than GSW. He could have "balled out" with about every other team. But they can't offer the same #culture, for sure. I really hope not every NBA player in the future has the same mindset. You have to realize that a ring you could have gotten by getting DNPs every game doesn't have much value.
In retrospect though, 1 or 2 more of these will make what Durant did look completely okay real quick, even to me xD.
Edit: Meanwhile the Lakers are surrounding Lebron with the LeBrick squad. Only time will tell how fans look back on these championships. For KD and Boogie a ring they would have gotten with DNPs is still better than no ring at all. I honestly think the only person whose legacy this hurts is Steph. He had back to back MVPs, back to back Finals appearances, and he was the sole leader of a Warriors team that was built as organically as possible. Now he's just a piece in a super team. Who knows what his ceiling would have been before these superstars decided to hop on the bandwagon.
IMO both these arguments are wrong. At the outset, I think its obvious that there is a certain subset of shitty NBA franchises that simply degrade the value of any player who lands there. Examples that readily come to mind (over the past few years) are Brooklyn, Cleveland, Orlando, Sacramento, and New York.
So for Boogie, he perceives that the Dubs are a place where people outperform expectations. I agree. They are one of two franchises where this is clearly true recently: Golden State, Boston. If we extended the window I would be tempted to also add San Antonio because of Manu and Parker (and even Kahwi).
Thus, Boogie is simply trying to maximize, ring chasing is a side affect because most teams are run by (on the court, not always the front office) by people who are not compatible.
In addition, Steph is not being hurt by what is happening. Rather, it is just simply solidifying him in a place he would have dropped out of. If we imagine a place where 2015-2016 remain the same, and Durant never comes to Golden State, Curry is basically Derrick Rose with a title with an asterisk. If we are being honest, the 2015-16 Warriors were a transitional team that defined the new style, but were not going to be the best team once other teams figured it out. The Cavs beat them, OKC should have, and this was essentially the team that invented the west coast offense (San Fransisco would have never lost even a 5 game series in the early Walsh years). Thus, Steph is being slowly elevated despite being the #2, because no sane person thinks he would have been the #1 on a title team in the last 2 years.
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So for Boogie, he perceives that the Dubs are a place where people outperform expectations. Source on this?
Demarcus just wants an easy rehab on a team that won't need him, that's about it. He has no expectation/pressure to perform there at all. What's being said supports the rehab + ring chasing theory. He's not going there for the "culture" or whatever. I think his time with Team USA buddying up with Draymond and Durant helped too. + Show Spoiler + (Edit: I've also read that actually not much of the rest of the league wants him, and not willing to put a high price :D. In that case it makes perfect sense. He's maybe seen as a locker room cancer and not worth it after the injury.)
Even if the "outperform expectations" bit is yours and not Demarcus', you only talk of Golden State and Boston, which coincidentally enough are the favorites this year to win their conference. Maybe they're just 2 good well-coached teams, and not teams where people outperform expectations. Saying they're outperforming expectations make it sound like they're not insanely talented. The only guy on GSW to have outperformed is Draymond. And on Boston I don't know, they have a lot of young high draft picks, I'm not sure what's surprising about these guys doing well. And obviously role players are going to look good, it's easy to play basketball on a good team. I quote my boy Durant: "Imagine all the open shots I would get!"
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On July 03 2018 17:18 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2018 16:33 ZenithM wrote: I've read that too, I can see that being true. But in my mind there is no fuck-you-league "ironic" ring chasing :D. It's just ring chasing. Show nested quote +On July 03 2018 16:48 BlackJack wrote:On July 03 2018 15:45 ZenithM wrote: NO did say they offered him a higher contract than GSW. He could have "balled out" with about every other team. But they can't offer the same #culture, for sure. I really hope not every NBA player in the future has the same mindset. You have to realize that a ring you could have gotten by getting DNPs every game doesn't have much value.
In retrospect though, 1 or 2 more of these will make what Durant did look completely okay real quick, even to me xD.
Edit: Meanwhile the Lakers are surrounding Lebron with the LeBrick squad. Only time will tell how fans look back on these championships. For KD and Boogie a ring they would have gotten with DNPs is still better than no ring at all. I honestly think the only person whose legacy this hurts is Steph. He had back to back MVPs, back to back Finals appearances, and he was the sole leader of a Warriors team that was built as organically as possible. Now he's just a piece in a super team. Who knows what his ceiling would have been before these superstars decided to hop on the bandwagon. IMO both these arguments are wrong. At the outset, I think its obvious that there is a certain subset of shitty NBA franchises that simply degrade the value of any player who lands there. Examples that readily come to mind (over the past few years) are Brooklyn, Cleveland, Orlando, Sacramento, and New York. So for Boogie, he perceives that the Dubs are a place where people outperform expectations. I agree. They are one of two franchises where this is clearly true recently: Golden State, Boston. If we extended the window I would be tempted to also add San Antonio because of Manu and Parker (and even Kahwi). Thus, Boogie is simply trying to maximize, ring chasing is a side affect because most teams are run by (on the court, not always the front office) by people who are not compatible. In addition, Steph is not being hurt by what is happening. Rather, it is just simply solidifying him in a place he would have dropped out of. If we imagine a place where 2015-2016 remain the same, and Durant never comes to Golden State, Curry is basically Derrick Rose with a title with an asterisk. If we are being honest, the 2015-16 Warriors were a transitional team that defined the new style, but were not going to be the best team once other teams figured it out. The Cavs beat them, OKC should have, and this was essentially the team that invented the west coast offense (San Fransisco would have never lost even a 5 game series in the early Walsh years). Thus, Steph is being slowly elevated despite being the #2, because no sane person thinks he would have been the #1 on a title team in the last 2 years.
Pretty sure this just proves my point about Steph. He was the first ever unanimous MVP, had one of the greatest seasons ever by posting 30+ PPG on 50/45/91 splits, made 400+ 3's when no other player has ever made even 300, and led his team to the most wins ever in a regular season, and what should have been their 2nd straight championship, yet somehow "no sane person thinks he would been the #1 on a title team" the very next year. Going from first ever unanimous MVP to Derrick Rose with an asterisk all in the span of 2 years just shows how much his legacy has been hurt already.
The Cavs beat them, OKC should have
OKC didn't beat them and the Cavs shouldn't have. They also would have been the favorites to win the next year even if KD didn't join them. In fact, Vegas did have them as the favorites to win the next year before KD joined them.
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Wow, talk about imbalance lol. Every superstar and their mother should just sign up for all 17 rosters spots lmao.
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In before cousins averages 6/8/1 and can’t get a whiff of a contract above 6 mill per annum. He can’t possiblh expect to put up stats with how loaded the lineup is
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It's not just a physical rehab. Two years in Golden State did wonders for Javale McGee's image in the league. Cousins could both rehab physically while rehabbing his locker room image this year. If he plays well, he can sign a bigger, longer contract with another team next year. He's only 27, slightly younger than their core.
I mostly agree with clutz, even though I rate Steph higher than he does. The talent in Golden State wasn't regarded that highly before Steve Kerr. People had them pegged as a first or second round playoff exit. It was only after they won a championship and went for that 73-win season afterwards that people talked about all the talent they have. System and fit played a huge part in their rise.
Brad Stevens is regarded as an exceptional coach because Boston hasn't won anything yet. If they win a championship, the players will suddenly grow more talented in the eyes of the public and the narrative will change to a team so talented that the coach doesn't need to do anything.
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He will get some numbers. Though collectively the numbers will drop his will be fine. GSW are amazing at sharing the ball.
As for the maximizing plan if that is his it is a huge risk. Not only did he give up at least 10 million this year but there is no gaurantee that big max comes.
Look at Noel I bet he is not feeling great about his choice to turn down the 4 year 70 mil to get 1 year 4.3 and become a UFA!
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Eh, Javale got a minimum deal to LA. He averaged 6 points and 3 rebounds on 10-12 minutes a game. I'm not sure you would call that "helped his image". He's mostly the same player he always was. It's just that Shaq let him off the hook recently. He had a good FG% on really small volume surrounded by insane scoring (homegrown or not). He got a couple of nice defensive possessions too, cool. Like I said, playing on a good team makes your limited role very easy.
The idea that GS is coasting on pure talent might be overexaggerating, but so is saying that their role players outperform expectations, or that their image improves magically.
McGee isn't a good comparison for Demarcus, Demarcus will have to do MUCH more if he wants a max salary next year.
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If he is even 75% what he was yesterday he will do fine. He will be a threat to get triple doubles every night. He can shoot the three, dude is amazing on offense and grabs D rebounds because he super tall! He will put up better numbers then green but worse numbers then before. (my prediction) This will help his image because no one questioned his numbers the questions on him were can he be a team player and will he sacrifice to win so if he does and they do that should help.
With McGee it was can he not be a knucklehead, and I think at GSW he showed that he can be a useful bench player. He wont' get a big deal, because he has reached his potential which is lower then people originally hoped but he could have a long career as a bench big which is OK.
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ironically, we're at the point where many vocal fans would rather see players just get every dime they can in a contract for maximum cash for the sake of parity rather than get paid a bit less to be in a better overall team situation.
for all the complaining... the NBA is still bringing in record revenues every year.
On July 04 2018 00:27 andrewlt wrote: Brad Stevens is regarded as an exceptional coach because Boston hasn't won anything yet. If they win a championship, the players will suddenly grow more talented in the eyes of the public and the narrative will change to a team so talented that the coach doesn't need to do anything. yep. that is what happened to Cito Gaston. i find the "friendly nice guy" coaches get stuck with this label after winning a championship. Whereas, the total-asshole complete-prick coaches continue to get revered as "tough-as-nails geniuses".
https://www.blazersedge.com/2018/7/2/17528082/portland-trail-blazers-g-league-team-vancouver-canada it'll be cool for the Vancouver region to get a G League team. i wouldn't be surprised if this was intentionally leaked so that the Trailblazers can get a better arena deal in a better location. The way it stands this would be like the Knicks sticking their G-League team in Catskill New York or the Raptors putting their G League team in Bolton.
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ironically, we're at the point where many vocal fans would rather see players just get every dime they can in a contract for maximum cash for the sake of parity rather than get paid a bit less to be in a better overall team situation. Ironically, no? People are complaining about signing Chris Paul for that high and that long too.
If Demarcus' best offer was really an 8M/year for 2 years, then yes it's a good call. But there is a certain threshold where if he left X amount of money on the table, it's just pure ring chasing, let's not kid ourselves. Without all the information, it's NOT unreasonable to think Demarcus is after the easy ring as much as the easy rehab. I actually don't think his gamble will pay off as much as he hopes. Golden State isn't going to give him all their touches just so he can get a good contract next year. The one that might get screwed stat-wise in this story is Klay.
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Newest rumor is Butler is trying to force his way to the Celts to play with buddy Kyrie.
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if I were the celts I'd sit on my players (other than the incoming draft picks) and tell him to go away
While the celts are certainly in win-mode territory, they certainly don't need more guard/forwards to go into their rotation. I'd rather grow organically with brown and tatum than trade them plus assets to get butler, plus they'd have to take on salary and trade either gordon or horford. seems bad man
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