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On July 11 2018 18:14 Pandemona wrote: If you honestly think England were as bad as Colombia in that game i have no idea what game you watched and look forward to when some team does that to a team you support so i can troll you as well. Colombia made 2 3 <<< TWENTY THREE fouls in that game. 23 fouls when England did 13
Belgium did 16 fouls when France did 6.
And I would certainly not have complained about fouls if the complaints about time wasting were not exagerated.
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On July 11 2018 19:40 sneirac wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2018 19:09 Grettin wrote:On July 11 2018 17:15 ShloobeR wrote:On July 11 2018 17:10 SoSexy wrote: I am getting super, super tired of time wasting. It is getting ridicolous. Mbappe was disgusting the last 15 minutes - throwing the ball away, faking things... There are two solutions that I would like to see adopted in Football:
1) The most important one: stop the time when the game is stopped (similar to basketball). This way, all time wasting strategies go to hell. Remove stoppage time and and if 45 or 90 minutes kick in, you continue until the ball goes out (which is basically one last possession for the attackers). 2) Remove substitutions from 80 minutes onwards. It is FUCKING RIDICOLOUS to have players play 2 minutes just to lose some time. Fucking pricks. I would like to see these done too but then the timing system would be perilously close to the NFL for many Europeans. What NFL has to do with it anything here lol This part here: Show nested quote +American football (NFL): The National Football League requires twenty commercial breaks per game, with ten in each half. (Exceptions to this are overtime periods, which have none.) These breaks run either a minute, or two minutes in length. Is anyone here actually willing to trade getting rid of time wasting with that?
I dont think stopping the clock automatically means commercial breaks. There are plenty of instances in American sports where the clock stops with no commercial.
Just make it a rule that you can't stop the actual run of play for commercials. They call this a "TV timeout" or "time out on the field" in American sports.
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On July 11 2018 19:42 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2018 19:40 sneirac wrote:On July 11 2018 19:09 Grettin wrote:On July 11 2018 17:15 ShloobeR wrote:On July 11 2018 17:10 SoSexy wrote: I am getting super, super tired of time wasting. It is getting ridicolous. Mbappe was disgusting the last 15 minutes - throwing the ball away, faking things... There are two solutions that I would like to see adopted in Football:
1) The most important one: stop the time when the game is stopped (similar to basketball). This way, all time wasting strategies go to hell. Remove stoppage time and and if 45 or 90 minutes kick in, you continue until the ball goes out (which is basically one last possession for the attackers). 2) Remove substitutions from 80 minutes onwards. It is FUCKING RIDICOLOUS to have players play 2 minutes just to lose some time. Fucking pricks. I would like to see these done too but then the timing system would be perilously close to the NFL for many Europeans. What NFL has to do with it anything here lol This part here: American football (NFL): The National Football League requires twenty commercial breaks per game, with ten in each half. (Exceptions to this are overtime periods, which have none.) These breaks run either a minute, or two minutes in length. Is anyone here actually willing to trade getting rid of time wasting with that? I don't understand why the trade is necessary. You think FIFA will add an entirely new opportunity for revenue without it being used?
@stratos: "The actual run of play" ? Technically every throw-in will be a break in play and an opportunity for a commercial.
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Charlie Sheens House51330 Posts
On July 11 2018 19:44 nojok wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2018 18:14 Pandemona wrote: If you honestly think England were as bad as Colombia in that game i have no idea what game you watched and look forward to when some team does that to a team you support so i can troll you as well. Colombia made 2 3 <<< TWENTY THREE fouls in that game. 23 fouls when England did 13 Belgium did 16 fouls when France did 6. And I would certainly not have complained about fouls if the complaints about time wasting were not exagerated. What does Belgium doing 16 fouls have to do with anything. England played an extra 30 minutes and did less in a game which was far more toxic. Also some fouls weren't called on the French side of things so that number could have been higher but even so, Belgium fouls were costing them as most of them were the last 10 minutes and all on mbappe lol. If that was the first half and if Belgian coach was shoving your best player coming off at half time as well then you can mention these two games in same breath!
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On July 11 2018 19:40 sneirac wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2018 19:09 Grettin wrote:On July 11 2018 17:15 ShloobeR wrote:On July 11 2018 17:10 SoSexy wrote: I am getting super, super tired of time wasting. It is getting ridicolous. Mbappe was disgusting the last 15 minutes - throwing the ball away, faking things... There are two solutions that I would like to see adopted in Football:
1) The most important one: stop the time when the game is stopped (similar to basketball). This way, all time wasting strategies go to hell. Remove stoppage time and and if 45 or 90 minutes kick in, you continue until the ball goes out (which is basically one last possession for the attackers). 2) Remove substitutions from 80 minutes onwards. It is FUCKING RIDICOLOUS to have players play 2 minutes just to lose some time. Fucking pricks. I would like to see these done too but then the timing system would be perilously close to the NFL for many Europeans. What NFL has to do with it anything here lol This part here: Show nested quote +American football (NFL): The National Football League requires twenty commercial breaks per game, with ten in each half. (Exceptions to this are overtime periods, which have none.) These breaks run either a minute, or two minutes in length. Is anyone here actually willing to trade getting rid of time wasting with that?
Why would we have to trade here? Poor excuse to let some of the players play time like we've seen this WC. Although, Even commercials would be more interesting than watching a player roll on the ground for 3 solid minutes in "agonizing pain".
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On July 11 2018 19:44 nojok wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2018 18:14 Pandemona wrote: If you honestly think England were as bad as Colombia in that game i have no idea what game you watched and look forward to when some team does that to a team you support so i can troll you as well. Colombia made 2 3 <<< TWENTY THREE fouls in that game. 23 fouls when England did 13 Belgium did 16 fouls when France did 6. And I would certainly not have complained about fouls if the complaints about time wasting were not exagerated. The severity of the fouls kinda matters too, yesterday's match was pretty tame all around compared to England vs Colombia. Especially Colombia did some rough fouls (except for after the first 75-ish minutes?), and they successfully animated England to do some too.
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On July 11 2018 19:54 Grettin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2018 19:40 sneirac wrote:On July 11 2018 19:09 Grettin wrote:On July 11 2018 17:15 ShloobeR wrote:On July 11 2018 17:10 SoSexy wrote: I am getting super, super tired of time wasting. It is getting ridicolous. Mbappe was disgusting the last 15 minutes - throwing the ball away, faking things... There are two solutions that I would like to see adopted in Football:
1) The most important one: stop the time when the game is stopped (similar to basketball). This way, all time wasting strategies go to hell. Remove stoppage time and and if 45 or 90 minutes kick in, you continue until the ball goes out (which is basically one last possession for the attackers). 2) Remove substitutions from 80 minutes onwards. It is FUCKING RIDICOLOUS to have players play 2 minutes just to lose some time. Fucking pricks. I would like to see these done too but then the timing system would be perilously close to the NFL for many Europeans. What NFL has to do with it anything here lol This part here: American football (NFL): The National Football League requires twenty commercial breaks per game, with ten in each half. (Exceptions to this are overtime periods, which have none.) These breaks run either a minute, or two minutes in length. Is anyone here actually willing to trade getting rid of time wasting with that? Why would we have to trade here? Poor excuse to let some of the players play time like we've seen this WC. Although, Even commercials would be more interesting than watching a player roll on the ground for 3 solid minutes in "agonizing pain". We would have to trade, because everyone in footy wants to make as much money as possible and there is no way we would get away without timeouts, TV timeouts and commercials once the clock becomes stoppable.
Why can't we just punish time wasters as it is? Just one warning then a yellow card and a 2nd yellow if they are dumb enough to try a 3rd time. Or just make everyone that rolls around on the floor have to be off field for 1/2 minutes.
Just don't destroy the wonderful thing of no commercials, because of one issue that can easily be solved without it.
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On July 11 2018 20:04 sneirac wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2018 19:54 Grettin wrote:On July 11 2018 19:40 sneirac wrote:On July 11 2018 19:09 Grettin wrote:On July 11 2018 17:15 ShloobeR wrote:On July 11 2018 17:10 SoSexy wrote: I am getting super, super tired of time wasting. It is getting ridicolous. Mbappe was disgusting the last 15 minutes - throwing the ball away, faking things... There are two solutions that I would like to see adopted in Football:
1) The most important one: stop the time when the game is stopped (similar to basketball). This way, all time wasting strategies go to hell. Remove stoppage time and and if 45 or 90 minutes kick in, you continue until the ball goes out (which is basically one last possession for the attackers). 2) Remove substitutions from 80 minutes onwards. It is FUCKING RIDICOLOUS to have players play 2 minutes just to lose some time. Fucking pricks. I would like to see these done too but then the timing system would be perilously close to the NFL for many Europeans. What NFL has to do with it anything here lol This part here: American football (NFL): The National Football League requires twenty commercial breaks per game, with ten in each half. (Exceptions to this are overtime periods, which have none.) These breaks run either a minute, or two minutes in length. Is anyone here actually willing to trade getting rid of time wasting with that? Why would we have to trade here? Poor excuse to let some of the players play time like we've seen this WC. Although, Even commercials would be more interesting than watching a player roll on the ground for 3 solid minutes in "agonizing pain". We would have to trade, because everyone in footy wants to make as much money as possible and there is no way we would get away without timeouts, TV timeouts and commercials once the clock becomes stoppable. Why can't we just punish time wasters as it is? Just one warning then a yellow card and a 2nd yellow if they are dumb enough to try a 3rd time. Or just make everyone that rolls around on the floor have to be off field for 1/2 minutes. Just don't destroy the wonderful thing of no commercials, because of one issue that can easily be solved without it. Mbappé got punished yesterday and didn't care at all. Indeed, more players could've and perhaps should've done the same dirty tactics, since a single yellow card means nothing. Sure, this would help against teams that time waste after leading 1-0 in the half time, but if the game only goes for 10 minutes anymore, yellow card punishments barely help.
2 or 5 min penalties similar to ice hockey would help more.
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Charlie Sheens House51330 Posts
The yellow card rule which reset in the Semi Final is the reason for this, so many players doing fouls and stupid shit knowing they cannot be banned from Final unless they get a red card. They are ruining it for those who genuinely get a harsh yellow card or the second of the tournament in the Semi Final to miss the final. Would be better to reset yellow cards in the Quarter Final stage, meaning 2 yellow cards from Quarter > Semi = suspended.
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On July 11 2018 20:08 HolydaKing wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2018 20:04 sneirac wrote:On July 11 2018 19:54 Grettin wrote:On July 11 2018 19:40 sneirac wrote:On July 11 2018 19:09 Grettin wrote:On July 11 2018 17:15 ShloobeR wrote:On July 11 2018 17:10 SoSexy wrote: I am getting super, super tired of time wasting. It is getting ridicolous. Mbappe was disgusting the last 15 minutes - throwing the ball away, faking things... There are two solutions that I would like to see adopted in Football:
1) The most important one: stop the time when the game is stopped (similar to basketball). This way, all time wasting strategies go to hell. Remove stoppage time and and if 45 or 90 minutes kick in, you continue until the ball goes out (which is basically one last possession for the attackers). 2) Remove substitutions from 80 minutes onwards. It is FUCKING RIDICOLOUS to have players play 2 minutes just to lose some time. Fucking pricks. I would like to see these done too but then the timing system would be perilously close to the NFL for many Europeans. What NFL has to do with it anything here lol This part here: American football (NFL): The National Football League requires twenty commercial breaks per game, with ten in each half. (Exceptions to this are overtime periods, which have none.) These breaks run either a minute, or two minutes in length. Is anyone here actually willing to trade getting rid of time wasting with that? Why would we have to trade here? Poor excuse to let some of the players play time like we've seen this WC. Although, Even commercials would be more interesting than watching a player roll on the ground for 3 solid minutes in "agonizing pain". We would have to trade, because everyone in footy wants to make as much money as possible and there is no way we would get away without timeouts, TV timeouts and commercials once the clock becomes stoppable. Why can't we just punish time wasters as it is? Just one warning then a yellow card and a 2nd yellow if they are dumb enough to try a 3rd time. Or just make everyone that rolls around on the floor have to be off field for 1/2 minutes. Just don't destroy the wonderful thing of no commercials, because of one issue that can easily be solved without it. Mbappé got punished yesterday and didn't care at all. Indeed, more players could've and perhaps should've done the same dirty tactics, since a single yellow card means nothing. Sure, this would help against teams that time waste after leading 1-0 in the half time, but if the game only goes for 10 minutes anymore, yellow card punishments barely help. Mbappe got punished and didn't care at all, because he was carded for time wasting after the 5th time he did it and knew that he would never get a 2nd yellow unless he sat on the ball for 10 minutes.
Additionally you could start punishing the team for time wasting. As in not a player gets a yellow card for time wasting, the team gets a yellow card and a player gets sent off for every subsequent card. Also the referee yesterday allowed france to waste 3 minutes of a 6 minute added time and ended the game at exactly 6 minutes instead of continuing for another 3/5/10.
So many options before introducing a stopping clock and all its consequences.
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On July 11 2018 20:14 Pandemona wrote: The yellow card rule which reset in the Semi Final is the reason for this, so many players doing fouls and stupid shit knowing they cannot be banned from Final unless they get a red card. They are ruining it for those who genuinely get a harsh yellow card or the second of the tournament in the Semi Final to miss the final. Would be better to reset yellow cards in the Quarter Final stage, meaning 2 yellow cards from Quarter > Semi = suspended.
Exactly. If we want to stop time wasters by handing out cards, then it should have consequences for the next match.
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Why not get rid of the resetting yellow cards rule at all? Why should ever a reset happen for things you have done in a previous match (tactical fouls, timewasting, etc.) that probably helped you come this far.
We need to start rewarding clean play or football will require even more VAR or rule changes to adapt to the unfairness of some teams.
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I hope all non English are rooting for us today. French don't like English and most people like the underdog more and Croatia is certainly that compared to England that have better results in WCs and Euro Cup and overall are a bigger and richer football country.
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Bearded Elder29876 Posts
Well, now once Belgium is out I want the winner of England-Croatia to win the WC.'
I just don't want France to win again. It's time for some fresh blood >D
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On July 11 2018 20:40 739 wrote: Well, now once Belgium is out I want the winner of England-Croatia to win the WC.'
I just don't want France to win again. It's time for some fresh blood >D
England is also a WC winner...
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Charlie Sheens House51330 Posts
On July 11 2018 20:31 sharkie wrote: Why not get rid of the resetting yellow cards rule at all? Why should ever a reset happen for things you have done in a previous match (tactical fouls, timewasting, etc.) that probably helped you come this far.
We need to start rewarding clean play or football will require even more VAR or rule changes to adapt to the unfairness of some teams. But then you play, 3 group games and 3 knockout games before the final, that is 6 games to avoid a yellow card in which you can get a yellow card for genuine attempts at the ball and being judged a bit late etc. VAR doesn't save you from yellow cards being given wrongly.
I know what your saying but you must be able to see reality is that getting 2 yellows for a 1 game suspension in 6 games is to much at this level? It works out at 1 yellow card in every 7 and half games = you would get banned in a league situation with the 5 yellow card rule there.
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Also I need to add that when WC is done English and French will go back to watching good high level football in their own leagues and root for their teams that get to play vs other good teams almost every week. They get to watch good football often. They also get to continue living in rich and well organized countries (even if they don't know it). We in Croatia only have this. When this is over we go back to our black hole of Europe, both in football sense and in quality of life sense. Then we wait for 2 more years until next big tournament to get to see our team play some good football and win some games vs good opponents. During that time just for a short while we are all happy and for a short time ignore where we life and how we live.
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On July 11 2018 20:52 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2018 20:31 sharkie wrote: Why not get rid of the resetting yellow cards rule at all? Why should ever a reset happen for things you have done in a previous match (tactical fouls, timewasting, etc.) that probably helped you come this far.
We need to start rewarding clean play or football will require even more VAR or rule changes to adapt to the unfairness of some teams. But then you play, 3 group games and 3 knockout games before the final, that is 6 games to avoid a yellow card in which you can get a yellow card for genuine attempts at the ball and being judged a bit late etc. VAR doesn't save you from yellow cards being given wrongly. I know what your saying but you must be able to see reality is that getting 2 yellows for a 1 game suspension in 6 games is to much at this level? It works out at 1 yellow card in every 7 and half games = you would get banned in a league situation with the 5 yellow card rule there.
That harsh yellow card rule would probably hurt the first tournament it was implemented but then players would be more careful with their actions. No player would dive, foul as easily as they do now if they get punished accordingly. The reason we even have this discussion is because we have reached a point where yellow cards are actually close to meaningless. They are one of the most pointless things in football. How often have you seen players do yellow-card worthy fouls but not getting one BECAUSE they are already on a yellow and the referee doesn't want to send him off? I have seen that tons and tons of times. A yellow card should be something a player should do his best to avoid getting. This would also stop all the meaningless discussions with the referee the players keep having.
Football would only profit from that rule change but then you would miss half the stars the first few games and FIFA and TV stations dont want that. They always want all the star players play no matter what. To hell with integrity!
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On July 11 2018 20:53 -Archangel- wrote: Also I need to add that when WC is done English and French will go back to watching good high level football in their own leagues and root for their teams that get to play vs other good teams almost every week. They get to watch good football often. They also get to continue living in rich and well organized countries (even if they don't know it). We in Croatia only have this. When this is over we go back to our black hole of Europe, both in football sense and in quality of life sense. Then we wait for 2 more years until next big tournament to get to see our team play some good football and win some games vs good opponents. During that time just for a short while we are all happy and for a short time ignore where we life and how we live.
Are you literally asking people to support Croatia out of sympathy?
lol
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Bearded Elder29876 Posts
On July 11 2018 20:46 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2018 20:40 739 wrote: Well, now once Belgium is out I want the winner of England-Croatia to win the WC.'
I just don't want France to win again. It's time for some fresh blood >D England is also a WC winner... I know but that was quite a long time ago
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