Serral WESG Qualifier Arrangement - Page 3
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Phaenoman
568 Posts
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Lillyngve
Sweden3 Posts
There are 12 more spots to fight for for those who "qualifies properly" compared to last year. Win-win-win in my books | ||
11cc
Finland561 Posts
On November 17 2018 23:41 Phaenoman wrote: Are you just against the fact that Serral is doing advertisement? Or are you complaining about invites in general ?But what about the other 3 invites then? I do not really understand what the issue is. Both. I think it sucks that there are invites at all for this kind of tournament, but I find it especially annoying if the organizers make players do advertising for the invites. | ||
vyzion87
17 Posts
not saying invites and requiring advertising is necessary, but it's necessary for producers and gamers to make money to keep the scene healthy. I'm sure you already konw this though | ||
sneakyfox
8216 Posts
On November 17 2018 21:07 Charoisaur wrote: of course it's much more than Blizzard's region lock but the idea behind it is the same. Blizzard doesn't want "open" tournaments to give players from weaker regions a shot so not every tournament is 90% koreans. WESG just enhances this further so players from even weaker regions get a shot. Not exactly the same. Blizzard doesn't really want people from every region. Circuit is dominated by European countries plus a couple of north americans. Blizzard just prevent players from the single, strongest country to participate. WESG, on the other hand, is trying to be really global. And the result is a tournament with all sorts of mediocre players. On November 17 2018 21:07 Charoisaur wrote: you can't really use the "Why would you not want to have the best players at your tournament?" argument and support region-lock at the same time. What are you talking about. Why would you think that I support region lock? | ||
outscar
2789 Posts
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Stormhoof
Serbia182 Posts
On November 17 2018 13:07 ggrrg wrote: Free wins are a given at WESG. Have you taken a look through the regional qualifiers for the event? Serbia and Mongolia have each their own qualifier for the main event... I am willing to bet that whatever players qualify in those will not stand any chance at the tournament... For Mongolia it is looking like the only player that signed up for the first qualifier may get a ticket to the grand finals by default if noone else signs up for the second qualifier... Besides those, WESG has a bunch of other regional qualifiers that seem to produce players that will simply get stomped during the main event. I'd say Serral getting an invite to the main event is effectively just giving the Scandinavian qualifier a second spot for WESG, which I am perfectly fine with since it looks like the first round of WESG will be just a whole lot of one-sided stomps... edit: there is even a Macau only qualifier X_X I completely agree, but, it does give some players motivation to compete with high level players, maybe this the way some hidden talent from China, Bulgaria or Serbia comes up and do a surprise. On the other way this tournament have a huge price pool and is obviously unrepresented, 80 percent of qualies arent streamed. And WESG might be comparable to some strong tournaments like IEM and price pool is more similar to Blizzcon. As someone who qualified for China and I know I have zero chance to beat anyone and would gladly donate my ot to someone more skilled from Europe, NA or Korea if its possible. I am sure that format of tournament will change when WESG becomes more popular as it should be. Its huge. | ||
vult
United States9386 Posts
On November 17 2018 09:50 11cc wrote: I'd prefer there to be no invites at all. And in case there were I'd prefer those weren't sold. Just having everyone be chosen with qualifiers would be better in my opinion. IDK if he was "sold" the invitation. WESG probably contact the players who they were invited and asked them to advertise the tournament, which in reality is both good for the players and organization - builds hype. As for invites in general, I think it is mainly okay as long as they keep the invites at a low number. 4 is probably a bit too many, I'd say just invite the two Blizzcon finalists and be good there, thus Serral would indeed get an invite regardless. Out of 48 total players playing, I think that having 46 of those coming from qualifiers is enough for a good competitive "worldwide" tournament, considering some regions are far weaker on a global scale. | ||
phyre112
United States3090 Posts
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argonautdice
Canada2656 Posts
Maru got an invite to WESG proper and he gets to skip the super competitive Korean qualifiers. This seems to be in exchange of Maru doing absolutely nothing at all. He didn't have to advertise the tournament on his stream or twitter. Does this rub anyone else the wrong way? I know invitational tournaments are common, but in this case WESG being mostly a competitive tournament, getting a free spot with no effort seems shitty to me. | ||
KR_4EVR
316 Posts
So no, the decision is not unfair to Serral, because Serral is not losing any money proportional to his caliber. He can advance when he gets there. As for the opposite side of the argument, which the OP seems to claim, it is foolish on multiple grounds. First, inviting the top 4 from last year is reasonable by all means. Secondly, Korea qualifiers this year have only 2 qualifying spots whereas last year they had 3 (Whether Dark is invited and Innovation will be properly given Dark's spot before the KR Ro8 remains to be seen; this is extraneous.). However, the Scandinavian qualifier this year has been renamed 'Sweden' qualifier and still keeps one spot, the same as last year. Thirdly, the premise of the argument is ridiculous because, as you age, you will discover that people who get things done in life are those who act first and get permission later. The tourney organizers have every right to organize the tourney however they see fit. They do not need to seek 'the authorities' and form 'a committee' to discuss 'the proper way things should be done'. That's not how real life works. I think that you should have asked a real question like, "What are Namshar's chances in the European stage, given that Serral ordinarily would have ousted him?" Edit: In my personal opinion, if Classic and Dark are not the other two invitees, I will not be happy. | ||
Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
There is no timeline in which Serral wouldn't easily qualify for his region to WESG 2018 so the invite doesn't matter. What is a problem is the fact that WESG is spending tons of money on great production streams, meanwhile nobody seems to know it exists and they get like 100 viewers for the equivalent of WCS Challenger NA, played live in a studio with 2 WCS casters. Serral trying to raise awareness about this tournament is a great thing, every other qualified or invited player should do the same. They won't keep doing these tournaments if no one watches. | ||
ReditusSum
79 Posts
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Russano
United States425 Posts
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KR_4EVR
316 Posts
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11cc
Finland561 Posts
On November 19 2018 03:43 KR_4EVR wrote: As for the opposite side of the argument, which the OP seems to claim, it is foolish on multiple grounds. First, inviting the top 4 from last year is reasonable by all means. So it's the top4 from last year who get invites? Liquipedia isn't updated with that info. I wouldn't have bothered to make a thread if that's the case, especially if it's in the rules. The impression I had was that there is no transparent system for the invites, and they thought it a great opportunity for free marketing inviting a player who would in return market their tournament. Secondly, Korea qualifiers this year have only 2 qualifying spots whereas last year they had 3 (Whether Dark is invited and Innovation will be properly given Dark's spot before the KR Ro8 remains to be seen; this is extraneous.). However, the Scandinavian qualifier this year has been renamed 'Sweden' qualifier and still keeps one spot, the same as last year. I don't know what all of that got to do with anything. Thirdly, the premise of the argument is ridiculous because, as you age, you will discover that people who get things done in life are those who act first and get permission later. The tourney organizers have every right to organize the tourney however they see fit. They do not need to seek 'the authorities' and form 'a committee' to discuss 'the proper way things should be done'. That's not how real life works. That seems like some garbage advice in general. In most cases if you need permission for something, you really should get it first before doing anything, but maybe I'm just not old enough yet. Of course that has nothing to do with this whole topic because WESG doesn't need a permission for inviting players. I don't know what's all this about committees and authorities. Have you maybe concocted some weird fantasy argument that you now wish to attribute to me? I think that you should have asked a real question like, "What are Namshar's chances in the European stage, given that Serral ordinarily would have ousted him?" Thanks for advice. | ||
Charoisaur
Germany15616 Posts
On November 19 2018 01:50 argonautdice wrote: In a similar vein, Maru got an invite to WESG proper and he gets to skip the super competitive Korean qualifiers. This seems to be in exchange of Maru doing absolutely nothing at all. He didn't have to advertise the tournament on his stream or twitter. Does this rub anyone else the wrong way? I know invitational tournaments are common, but in this case WESG being mostly a competitive tournament, getting a free spot with no effort seems shitty to me. he gets a free spot for doing nothing except winning the previous iteration of the tournament... | ||
litLikeBic
Canada105 Posts
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On November 19 2018 05:14 litLikeBic wrote: i guess people don't have enough other crap in their lives to complain about saying things like this is akin to saying "i don't agree with you, so stop talking" | ||
imp42
398 Posts
On November 19 2018 05:45 travis wrote: saying things like this is akin to saying "i don't agree with you, so stop talking" Usually I’d agree but in this case it’s trying to put things in perspective I guess. Having an invitational based on merit or fame as well as a qualifier (“open”) is very common and as long as everything is communicated and transparent I see no issue. In this particular case with Serral even less so. | ||
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