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On March 16 2019 18:53 BerserkSword wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2019 18:44 Fango wrote:On March 16 2019 18:40 BerserkSword wrote:On March 16 2019 18:37 sneakyfox wrote:On March 16 2019 18:35 BerserkSword wrote:On March 16 2019 18:30 Poopi wrote:On March 16 2019 18:29 BerserkSword wrote:On March 16 2019 18:26 StasisField wrote: You know, if the Serral vs Maru final keeps getting ruined by Maru, maybe he's not the best player after all ;P I dont know how anyone who actually watched starcraft last year thought Maru was better than peak Serral Serral was just ridiculous Yeah absolutely impressive to destroy MaNa Has and all these great players lol, I've never seen that happen before! 3-0 inno 3-1 dark 4-3 stats 2-0 zest 3-0 dark 3-1 rogue 4-2 stats top koreans got destroyed by peak serral "If we ignore the matches he lost, Serral has a perfect record against top Koreans, isn't it incredible?!" Nobody in 2018 was better than the way Serral was playing when he went on to win the biggest and prestigious tournament in starcraft 2 Serral was the juggernaut, Maru was the dude who got swept trying to proxy over and over It's funny how blizzcon was never the biggest of deals over GSL until a foreigner won it. PartinG, sOs (twice), Life, and Rogue all won it and none were considered the best player of that year. when they won it, blizzcon didnt have a prize pool head and shoulders above everything else. the lotv era blizzcon prize pools are mammoth Rogue won the exact same amount of money as Serral....
And even before that $100K was the biggest payout in sc2.....
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On March 16 2019 18:56 digmouse wrote: 3rd place match: Sunday, Mar 17 6:15am GMT (GMT+00:00) Grand final: Sunday, Mar 17 10:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) That's a pretty darn big gap
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On March 16 2019 18:56 digmouse wrote: 3rd place match: Sunday, Mar 17 6:15am GMT (GMT+00:00) Grand final: Sunday, Mar 17 10:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)
I assume these times will again be subject to the previous event's finals?
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On March 16 2019 18:48 AzAlexZ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2019 18:47 Durnuu wrote:On March 16 2019 18:46 AzAlexZ wrote:On March 16 2019 18:44 Fango wrote:On March 16 2019 18:40 BerserkSword wrote:On March 16 2019 18:37 sneakyfox wrote:On March 16 2019 18:35 BerserkSword wrote:On March 16 2019 18:30 Poopi wrote:On March 16 2019 18:29 BerserkSword wrote:On March 16 2019 18:26 StasisField wrote: You know, if the Serral vs Maru final keeps getting ruined by Maru, maybe he's not the best player after all ;P I dont know how anyone who actually watched starcraft last year thought Maru was better than peak Serral Serral was just ridiculous Yeah absolutely impressive to destroy MaNa Has and all these great players lol, I've never seen that happen before! 3-0 inno 3-1 dark 4-3 stats 2-0 zest 3-0 dark 3-1 rogue 4-2 stats top koreans got destroyed by peak serral "If we ignore the matches he lost, Serral has a perfect record against top Koreans, isn't it incredible?!" Nobody in 2018 was better than the way Serral was playing when he went on to win the biggest and prestigious tournament in starcraft 2 Serral was the juggernaut, Maru was the dude who got swept trying to proxy over and over It's funny how blizzcon was never the biggest of deals over GSL until a foreigner won it. PartinG, sOs (twice), Life, and Rogue all won it and none were considered the best player of that year. Life was considered a god ffs, he even went on to win the next season of GSL, everyone saw him as the strongest player that year If Life was considered the best player of 2014 then I'm the fucking queen of england Well it was either him or Zest. Let me paint you a picture. 2014 Blizzcon. First round match. Zest vs Life. Zest in 2014 dominated the Korean scene in a way people at the time didn't think would happen. The fact that Life advances is considered a monumental upset, because his 2014 was pretty much completely mediocre until that point.
No, Life was not considered a god until after he won Blizzcon.
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Maru will two rax every game in the 3rd place match most likely.
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On March 16 2019 18:58 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2019 18:48 AzAlexZ wrote:On March 16 2019 18:47 Durnuu wrote:On March 16 2019 18:46 AzAlexZ wrote:On March 16 2019 18:44 Fango wrote:On March 16 2019 18:40 BerserkSword wrote:On March 16 2019 18:37 sneakyfox wrote:On March 16 2019 18:35 BerserkSword wrote:On March 16 2019 18:30 Poopi wrote:On March 16 2019 18:29 BerserkSword wrote: [quote]
I dont know how anyone who actually watched starcraft last year thought Maru was better than peak Serral
Serral was just ridiculous Yeah absolutely impressive to destroy MaNa Has and all these great players lol, I've never seen that happen before! 3-0 inno 3-1 dark 4-3 stats 2-0 zest 3-0 dark 3-1 rogue 4-2 stats top koreans got destroyed by peak serral "If we ignore the matches he lost, Serral has a perfect record against top Koreans, isn't it incredible?!" Nobody in 2018 was better than the way Serral was playing when he went on to win the biggest and prestigious tournament in starcraft 2 Serral was the juggernaut, Maru was the dude who got swept trying to proxy over and over It's funny how blizzcon was never the biggest of deals over GSL until a foreigner won it. PartinG, sOs (twice), Life, and Rogue all won it and none were considered the best player of that year. Life was considered a god ffs, he even went on to win the next season of GSL, everyone saw him as the strongest player that year If Life was considered the best player of 2014 then I'm the fucking queen of england Well it was either him or Zest. Let me paint you a picture. 2014 Blizzcon. First round match. Zest vs Life. Zest in 2014 dominated the Korean scene in a way people at the time didn't think would happen. The fact that Life advances is considered a monumental upset, because his 2014 was pretty much completely mediocre until that point. No, Life was not considered a god until after he won Blizzcon. I got 2014 and 2015 mixed up apparently lol
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Coming back to TL for the first time in a while and people are still trying to downplay Serral's achievements? This has to be one of the strangest cases of collective denial I have ever seen by any community/forum.
Yes, Koreans are still the best in this game as a whole. Yes, a WCS premier title is not as prestigous as a GSL.
But how the fuck can anyone who actually watched a lot of Starcraft deny the fact that Serral is the best player in the world? His worst finish in a freaking year is a quarterfinal exit after winning the group at IEM. He trashed one of the best Zergs three times going 9-2 in maps when everything was at stake. He beat the best Toss of 2k18 in 2 grand finals. He trashed Inno 3-0 in Korea. He went on the longest and most impressive streak of wins ever.
His biggest competition for best in the world failed to get to the finals of some of the biggest tournaments of the year 3 times with Serral waiting for him in the finals in all of them.
His playstyle is uber solid, unreal multitasking, unparraleled scouting, master of the mid to late game. He also showed great composure with the hopes and dreams of the whole SC2 community on his back as a 20 year old.
If he wins tomorrow he is the most winning SC2 player of all time in terms of $$$ at 20 years with most of his earning coming in 1 and a half years while others have been around to win money way longer. It takes a special kind of delussion to not just admit that Serral is the best player in the world for a long time now and has a strong argument for being called to goat of SC2
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On March 16 2019 19:02 ChaosArcher wrote: Coming back to TL for the first time in a while and people are still trying to downplay Serral's achievements? This has to be one of the strangest cases of collective denial I have ever seen by any community/forum.
Yes, Koreans are still the best in this game as a whole. Yes, a WCS premier title is not as prestigous as a GSL.
But how the fuck can anyone who actually watched a lot of Starcraft deny the fact that Serral is the best player in the world? His worst finish in a freaking year is a quarterfinal exit after winning the group at IEM. He trashed one of the best Zergs three times going 9-2 in maps when everything was at stake. He beat the best Toss of 2k18 in 2 grand finals. He trashed Inno 3-0 in Korea. He went on the longest and most impressive streak of wins ever.
His biggest competition for best in the world failed to get to the finals of some of the biggest tournaments of the year 3 times with Serral waiting for him in the finals in all of them.
His playstyle is uber solid, unreal multitasking, unparraleled scouting, master of the mid to late game. He also showed great composure with the hopes and dreams of the whole SC2 community on his back as a 20 year old.
If he wins tomorrow he is the most winning SC2 player of all time in terms of $$$ at 20 years with most of his earning coming in 1 and a half years while others have been around to win money way longer. It takes a special kind of delussion to not just admit that Serral is the best player in the world for a long time now and has a strong argument for being called to goat of SC2
couldn't have said it better myself
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On March 16 2019 19:02 ChaosArcher wrote: It takes a special kind of delussion to not just admit that Serral is the best player in the world for a long time now and has a strong argument for being called to goat of SC2
Imagine winning two weekend tournaments (ones with serious competition at least).and people calling you the GOAT :D
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On March 16 2019 19:09 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2019 19:02 ChaosArcher wrote: It takes a special kind of delussion to not just admit that Serral is the best player in the world for a long time now and has a strong argument for being called to goat of SC2
Imagine winning three weekend tournaments (ones with serious competition at least) in the spam of 5 months and people calling you the GOAT :D corrected that for you
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On March 16 2019 18:37 sneakyfox wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2019 18:35 BerserkSword wrote:On March 16 2019 18:30 Poopi wrote:On March 16 2019 18:29 BerserkSword wrote:On March 16 2019 18:26 StasisField wrote: You know, if the Serral vs Maru final keeps getting ruined by Maru, maybe he's not the best player after all ;P I dont know how anyone who actually watched starcraft last year thought Maru was better than peak Serral Serral was just ridiculous Yeah absolutely impressive to destroy MaNa Has and all these great players lol, I've never seen that happen before! 3-0 inno 3-1 dark 4-3 stats 2-0 zest 3-0 dark 3-1 rogue 4-2 stats top koreans got destroyed by peak serral "If we ignore the matches he lost, Serral has a perfect record against top Koreans, isn't it incredible?!"
Peak Serral is the one we had the honor to witness at GSL vs the World and, especially, at BlizzCon. Just look the level of his play! While he had that form, he nomatched every korean he faced except for Stats.
Maru was very impressive in 2018 when he didn't proxy 24/7 but Serral's peak was more impressive; we are not speaking of achievements or streak here, just of how strong they looked while playing.
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On March 16 2019 19:10 AzAlexZ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2019 19:09 Fango wrote:On March 16 2019 19:02 ChaosArcher wrote: It takes a special kind of delussion to not just admit that Serral is the best player in the world for a long time now and has a strong argument for being called to goat of SC2
Imagine winning three weekend tournaments (ones with serious competition at least), in the spam of 5 months and people calling you the GOAT :D corrected that for you Still less than TaeJa.
Peak Serral was way closer to becoming a bonjwa than Serral is to becoming GOAT.
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On March 16 2019 19:10 AzAlexZ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2019 19:09 Fango wrote:On March 16 2019 19:02 ChaosArcher wrote: It takes a special kind of delussion to not just admit that Serral is the best player in the world for a long time now and has a strong argument for being called to goat of SC2
Imagine winning two weekend tournaments (ones with serious competition at least).and people calling you the GOAT :D 6* WCS did not have serious competition. Not a single top ten player other than Serral.
You can't use WCS wins to compare Serral to koreans when they're excluded from them.
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I like how as soon as we get a finals without Serral vs Maru, the subject immediately becomes Serral vs Maru
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On March 16 2019 19:11 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2019 19:10 AzAlexZ wrote:On March 16 2019 19:09 Fango wrote:On March 16 2019 19:02 ChaosArcher wrote: It takes a special kind of delussion to not just admit that Serral is the best player in the world for a long time now and has a strong argument for being called to goat of SC2
Imagine winning three weekend tournaments (ones with serious competition at least), in the spam of 5 months and people calling you the GOAT :D corrected that for you Still less than TaeJa. Peak Serral was way closer to becoming a bonjwa than Serral is to becoming GOAT. Imagine if a korean player like Stats won GSL vs The world and blizzcon. They wouldn't have even been considered player of the year let alone GOAT.
And Stats has multiple starleagues under his belt, as well as other weekenders, and an amazing history in proleague etc
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Every single starcraft thread becomes Serral vs Maru, eventually.
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On March 16 2019 19:17 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2019 19:11 Elentos wrote:On March 16 2019 19:10 AzAlexZ wrote:On March 16 2019 19:09 Fango wrote:On March 16 2019 19:02 ChaosArcher wrote: It takes a special kind of delussion to not just admit that Serral is the best player in the world for a long time now and has a strong argument for being called to goat of SC2
Imagine winning three weekend tournaments (ones with serious competition at least), in the spam of 5 months and people calling you the GOAT :D corrected that for you Still less than TaeJa. Peak Serral was way closer to becoming a bonjwa than Serral is to becoming GOAT. Imagine if a korean player like Stats won GSL vs The world and blizzcon. They wouldn't have even been considered player of the year let alone GOAT. And Stats has multiple starleagues under his belt, as well as other weekenders, and an amazing history in proleague etc Bad example, Stats is protoss therefore can't ever be considered for best player of the year
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On March 16 2019 19:19 Durnuu wrote:Every single starcraft thread becomes Serral vs Maru, eventually. Evolution, dude.
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On March 16 2019 19:11 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2019 19:10 AzAlexZ wrote:On March 16 2019 19:09 Fango wrote:On March 16 2019 19:02 ChaosArcher wrote: It takes a special kind of delussion to not just admit that Serral is the best player in the world for a long time now and has a strong argument for being called to goat of SC2
Imagine winning three weekend tournaments (ones with serious competition at least), in the spam of 5 months and people calling you the GOAT :D corrected that for you Still less than TaeJa. Peak Serral was way closer to becoming a bonjwa than Serral is to becoming GOAT.
I agree! He does have many titles under his belt already but not nearly enough to be in contention for GOAT; were he to overtake TaeJa as Premier titles won we'll speak of it, even if I already know you guys would disregard his WCS titles. Serral started playing full time less than two years ago and he's just in his twenties, he surely doesn't lack the time to try.
If a korean player showcased that level of domination throughout twelve months we'd all be more inclined to call him Bonjwa as the title is tied to crushing the opposition way more than being consistent over the span of multiple years; I can perfectly understand that you object he might not have been dominant all this time if he played in Korea. He surely wasn't in March and April, we have no way of finding out how he would have fared in June and July; after GSL vs the World, he was for sure ready; we will never know. He has the numbers of a Bonjwa, that's for sure; we'll see.
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Serral is still young and if he can keeps up the consistency, he would win more trophies (if the game is still there). But considering him the most successful player of all time is absolutely ridiculous as most of his win are (and will) be region-locked WCS (basically free trophies tbh) and this era is not the highest skill era as it was in 2013-2016. Btw, prize pool is meaningless, sOs's blizzcon wins was not worse than Rogue or Serral's ones becoz he made less money, it's the quality of players in the tournament, not the prizepool. Dare you to say a WESG is more prestige than a GSL becoz the higher prize pool?
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