Koreans React to GSL Ro8 - Page 7
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HollowLord
United States3862 Posts
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
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billyX333
United States1360 Posts
I dont mind this very much. | ||
Everlong
Czech Republic1973 Posts
I put it into the same group of retarded builds that wont last any longer than month or two. Than it gets patched or people will adapt and it dies.. | ||
crms
United States11933 Posts
2) The problem isn't cheese. 3) The problem isn't cheese. 4) The problem isn't cheese. ok. every race has its cheese potential, proxy rax/gate, cannon rush, 6 pool etc. This is fine, this is healthy for the game, it adds variety and excitement at times. The problem with this 2 rax shit is that as IdrA says the T can get away with it for little economic impact, where as the zerg HAS to fast expand to have any chance whatsoever to win/get ahead in mid game. If you don't hatch first, or at minimum hatch very fast you're going to lose to a 1/2 base timing push. So zerg is forced to do these expand builds that are punished extremely hard by a relatively easy to pull off exploitive marine/scv push. This cycle will never end in the current state of the game. Hatch first = chance to win midgame/lategame = will likely lose to great micro from scv/marine push. Don't hatch = defend early pressure (T likely won't if he scouts) = lose to huge bio push. Many TvZ will be won or lost in the first 5 minutes until something is figured out or there is a patch. | ||
Raisauce
Canada864 Posts
On December 07 2010 03:55 travis wrote: I think that's bull. terrans are trying their best to end the games that early because that's easiest. everything i've seen shows that terran is capable of having an awesome late game. they have units to deal with anything, and planetary fortress/sensor towers are the ultimate in map control. there is a reason maps weren't tiny in sc1 I totally agree. Just watch some of Jinro's games and you'll see how amazing terrans can be in the late game. You just have to continue expanding while pressuring the zerg. You can't sit back while waiting for a 200/200 army and expect to roll over the zerg. | ||
eksert
France656 Posts
On December 07 2010 03:12 Welmu wrote: I wouldn't blame Blizzard on this. I think it's Nestea's problem not being prepared for all-in. Seriously, Marine/SCV all in isn't impossible to beat... I agree with you. All - in or cheese, they are strategies.. Flash was also accused of a cheeser at the start of his career.. Now look at him... | ||
Warlock-X
Canada37 Posts
On December 07 2010 03:49 darmousseh wrote: If in chess, there was a way to win in 15 moves, white would do it every time, don't blame someone for trying to win. Basically 14 hatch is like a gambit, and right now that gambit is not working against an aggressive style. If this was chess, the player would simply try a different opener. If you haven't practiced other openers, then it makes sense to do the same thing every time, but realize that you basically are gimping yourself. No you're wrong, 14 hatch is the best way to counter 2x rax. But since 2x rax is broken it's beating its own counter way too easily. The reason is because 14 hatch = more larva, larva that you need to beat that mean marines that early. Pool first losses due to lack of larva. 14hatch is best way to open but the game is broken and blizzard needs to fix it and anyone who does this broken strat should appologize. | ||
riverkim09
United States291 Posts
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oHInsane
France727 Posts
I'am not qualified to speak about balance but this show earlier today was boring as a spectator. But some series were also boring during the so called bw-era (Boxer vs Yellow 3 bunker rush anyone? and it was a final... iirc). Anyway, I'm still waiting for the game to evolve and I see some good potential in this show to step on a new level. | ||
dasanivan
United States532 Posts
On December 07 2010 03:14 Chill wrote: As soon as you "want to see amazing games", you set up some WWE system where it's not people trying to win, but trying to put on a show. I want people doing anything in their power to win. I want people playing the dirtiest games you've ever seen in your life because it's their best chance to win. And, as a side effect of this, when people do show amazing, drawn-out games, they will be that much more special because of the rarity. right now carriers motherships and battlecruisers are what i want to look forward to in those "amazing drawn-out" rare games, not a macro game that frankly should be the norm. what you say about the WWE system is silly. it's simply a matter of fixing some mechanics of the game so that the "dirtiest games" are a little less banal than marines and scvs dancing around bunkers. we're not asking pro gamers to perform a play for us here. we're asking for some rules to change. | ||
Fa1nT
United States3423 Posts
On December 07 2010 04:13 eksert wrote: I agree with you. All - in or cheese, they are strategies.. Flash was also accused of a cheeser at the start of his career.. Now look at him... I think what many people are trying to say, but cannot (because of board rules), is that there might not be a counter to this specific strategy if the terran does it well. That is related to a balance QQing though... but there is no room in a strategy game for a simple to execute strategy with no real counter other than the other player doing it badly.. Only time will tell if this is true, but if GSL4 still has 50% of terrans doing this, they are doing to get a lot less ticket sales. | ||
eNbee
Belgium487 Posts
On December 07 2010 04:14 Warlock-X wrote: No you're wrong, 14 hatch is the best way to counter 2x rax. But since 2x rax is broken it's beating its own counter way too easily. The reason is because 14 hatch = more larva, larva that you need to beat that mean marines that early. Pool first losses due to lack of larva. 14hatch is best way to open but the game is broken and blizzard needs to fix it and anyone who does this broken strat should appologize. Who says the hatch needs to be at your expo if larvae are the issue? | ||
Everlong
Czech Republic1973 Posts
On December 07 2010 04:10 Raisauce wrote: I totally agree. Just watch some of Jinro's games and you'll see how amazing terrans can be in the late game. You just have to continue expanding while pressuring the zerg. You can't sit back while waiting for a 200/200 army and expect to roll over the zerg. Well, Moon was at Lair tech and he had like 3 bases at max whole game.. I dont really think Jinro would've done that good against NesTea or Fruitdealer. We didnt see those deadly tech switchs, which Zerg is capable of and this is what kills Terran in late game.. This is my point of view. | ||
Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
On December 07 2010 04:18 eNbee wrote: Who says the hatch needs to be at your expo if larvae are the issue? If they're all in your base that's just going to leave you wide open to a bunker contain at your ramp. | ||
Dragar
United Kingdom971 Posts
On December 07 2010 04:18 eNbee wrote: Who says the hatch needs to be at your expo if larvae are the issue? Because then you'll end up with marines at your ramp, in a choke point, with bunkers building at the bottom of the ramp, while Terran's income is higher than yours due to mules, and his probably taking his expo. Hatch first in your own base is not the solution! | ||
Jantix
United States48 Posts
Its a big money paying tournament and people are complaining because players are trying to win instead of entertain? WTF????? | ||
Juxx
325 Posts
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cocosoft
Sweden1068 Posts
On December 07 2010 03:32 Mohdoo wrote: I'm just taking the problem in another perspective. People seem to blame the easier entity in the problem and not realizing that the only thing that can solve the problem is to make zerg learn how to play, instead of blaming blizzard and requesting another nerf to terran that will nerf them to the ground. And yes, I hate the fungal growth nerf.The fact that you play random doesn't mean you know what you're talking about. It means you're probably not bias, but it has no implications that you are even knowledgeable enough to make that judgment. | ||
SoLaR[i.C]
United States2969 Posts
Seems absurd to hate on a player for him not wanting to get slapped around in the late game like Maka did last round. | ||
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