Koreans React to GSL Ro8 - Page 18
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StarMasterX
United States113 Posts
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Hatorade
299 Posts
On December 07 2010 06:21 Fa1nT wrote: For all the "play to win" people, what about cheating? Maphacking, match fixing, paying people off? Anything goes if it means victory right? I have wanted to ask this for a while now... am really getting tired of the "P2W" line for a game that is attempting to be a spectator esport.. You play to win within the rules obviously, thats not much of an argument you have there. I hate cheesing as much as the next guy but If I had a shot at winning 85K you'd better bet I'd bring the Provolone. As others have said, as long as he's not breaking any rules I don't see how you can blame him for trying to win if theres an issue it's with the game itself. | ||
itsMAHVELbaybee
292 Posts
On December 07 2010 06:21 Fa1nT wrote: For all the "play to win" people, what about cheating? Maphacking, match fixing, paying people off? Anything goes if it means victory right? I have wanted to ask this for a while now... am really getting tired of the "P2W" line for a game that is attempting to be a spectator esport.. Rain is within the realm of the game. He doesn't have telepathy or outside interference. He's relying solely on his decision making and his own two hands. Terrible argument to bring in "bringing match fixing" and "paying people off" into the discussion when those are things outside the game e.g. politics. Maphacking is its own thing, because the other player doesn't have access to that either. You act like picking Terran is hacking/cheating with a statement like that. Both players are still running Starcraft 2 nothing else. Playing to win is just that. Theres rules involved of course, just like any sport. People are just retarded thinking 2rax all-ins break the rules of the game. | ||
furymonkey
New Zealand1587 Posts
On December 07 2010 06:21 Fa1nT wrote: For all the "play to win" people, what about cheating? Maphacking, match fixing, paying people off? Anything goes if it means victory right? I have wanted to ask this for a while now... am really getting tired of the "P2W" line for a game that is attempting to be a spectator esport.. Play to win =/= Cheat to win. Get your fact straight. | ||
Gleen
Brazil707 Posts
On December 07 2010 06:28 Hatorade wrote: You play to win within the rules obviously, thats not much of an argument you have there. I hate cheesing as much as the next guy but If I had a shot at winning 85K you'd better bet I'd bring the Provolone. As others have said, as long as he's not breaking any rules I don't see how you can blame him for trying to win if theres an issue it's with the game itself. I agree with that. Balance aside, I really think that everyone is pissed because wanted better games to watch not because TSL_Rain won doing that specific strategy. | ||
Baarn
United States2702 Posts
On December 07 2010 05:43 furymonkey wrote: Since all the zerg are out, I guess this not longer apply. But what if your favourite star Jinro has a shot to take the first place, if he goes all in at the final. Would you support him so? Will it change your mindset about Jinro? I want to hear this from the Jinro's fan, and mind you this could be the first time that a foreigner take such a prestige reward at Korea. I would still cheer for Jinro if he cheesed in a final. I'd cheer for the marines and the scv's as well. It's a dirty way to win but when you are competing for 100 million won you pick the strongest build you can do well and go for it. You don't worry if your opponents fans are gonna go emo over your build if you defeat them. | ||
Emperor_Earth
United States824 Posts
On December 07 2010 06:32 Gleen wrote: I agree with that. Balance aside, I really think that everyone is pissed because wanted better games to watch not because TSL_Rain won doing that specific strategy. I love your sig... Haha;D Oh, and I would extend that to FlaSh vs Jaedong Ro8 OSL 2009. (December) And BoxeR vs YellOw of course:D We all know. | ||
Angelbelow
United States3728 Posts
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DaCruise
Denmark2457 Posts
I agree that all-in strats aint fun to watch. I wish he would have played differently but that is not up to me or anyone else. Rain did what he thought was the best way to beat Nestea. Btw I disagree with all the terrans whining about not being able to win against a zerg in a macro game. Just because the korean terrans choose early all-in builds EVERY TIME doesnt mean you HAVE to go all-in and cant expand. The phrase "terrans cant win in a macro game against zerg" is the worst bs ever! L2P | ||
Siphonn
United States298 Posts
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MyLastSerenade
Germany710 Posts
Rain did just good for punishing nestea for being so greedy. | ||
HarryHood
United States105 Posts
In any sport of competition, you can and should do anything within the rules to win. Nobody gets mad at a football team for faking a punt or a baseball team winning on a suicide squeeze. Go Rain and go Terran | ||
ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
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fams
Canada731 Posts
Honestly, I hope TSL_Rain wins the GSL now. He has me as a fan, and he shouldn't have to apologize to anyone for his solid play. Maybe he won because he all-ined, but he still won. And again, to Rain's credit, he even said he had not intended on using all-in style builds, but had no other choices as he had so little time to prepare due to PERSONAL reasons, so leave him alone already. | ||
darmousseh
United States3437 Posts
On December 07 2010 06:27 Chaosvuistje wrote: The only advantages I see with hatching first is getting ahead in economy easier and the ability to put down a spinecrawler at that expansion sooner. In all the other circumstances I feel like Pool first and hatch first are about the same. Obviously progamers attempt at going hatch first most of the time because they train to eek out every little advantage they can get ( see splitting workers ). I want to restate my point that I'm not saying hatching first ISN'T viable, I'm saying that pool first isn't as unviable as people make it out to be. I've gotta say, even though I am a lowly low diamond protoss, whenever I see a zerg do 14 hatch I go for 2 gate immediately and pressure with zealots, I've yet to lose a game when I 2 gate, and I've yet to win a game when I just let zerg sit on their expansion. | ||
bokeevboke
Singapore1674 Posts
Now my point is: if 90% of viewers don't like these games is there any point of broadcasting. People won't watch something they don't like. Which means less sponsors -> no future for SC2. Please open your mind. Clearly the balance team of Blizzard are not doing good job. | ||
Apolo
Portugal1259 Posts
On December 07 2010 06:37 Fayth wrote: what a bunch of crybabies, you can do whatever the fuck you want in a game to try to win it and u shudn't be blamed for it.... goal is to win, nothing else Ah... on some simple minds the world is really black and white. But in reality it's not. It's shades of grey. Let me explain. Where does the money from the prizes come from? It's from the spectators. No spectators, no sponsors. No sponsors, no money. And spectators watch a game because they enjoy watching it, not because they want X to win (except some cases) whatever boring / lucky way it takes. So in a way, whoever goes there cheesing as hard as hell, just to win, is being somewhat egoistical, and not giving much in return to the people that pay from their pockets to see good games. Still, the money is a huge temptation, and probably understandable in many cases, so ultimately the fault goes to the balance of the game, but that's not to say the players are being 100% correct with the public either by cheesing just to win. | ||
andrewwiggin
Australia435 Posts
People just LOVE to overreact huh. TSL Rain didn't win because he cheated, or because he hacked maps or anything. He won, because he OUTPLAYED NESTEA. It's THAT simple. Really, even if I was Korean and playing in the GSL ro8, I would not give a crap about 'honour' and honourable play and not being cheesy and any of that. It's 87K. You win, whatever it takes. TSL Rain is an insane player who knew Nestea's style, and played accordingly. That's what players are SUPPOSED to do. Sure, you can try to be all entertaining by letting the game go on for 30 minutes... ... and then in 30 minutes, when you're out and you don't win anything else and you dont even make the next GSL, who's going to remember you. Hm. ... p.s. it seems to me that most of the complaints about the game not being 'entertaining' are coming from zerg players. WONDER WHY. -____- | ||
TheGiftedApe
United States1243 Posts
If I wanted to watch stupid cheeses win or lose I would just play on North America ladder. | ||
Eko200
United States101 Posts
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