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On January 26 2011 00:07 Arkqn wrote: I'm just waiting for a new S class player. The last one was Flash, so it's been a few years we didn't see someone at the level of those 4. Fanta and EffOrt was close. Fanta even was TOP-1 Kespa terran
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On January 26 2011 00:02 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2011 23:23 dcberkeley wrote:On January 25 2011 23:10 Roffles wrote: Dunno bout you, but Effort was damn good when he quit. I think he'd be a legitimate contender now against JD if he didn't quit. Oh no doubt. The guy was wicked good in all three matchups, and could hang with the big guns (Stork, Bisu, Flash, JD) no problem at all. The guy knew how to win games, and definitely had the skills and mindset to make it big. Plus, his ZvP was sick. The guy had it all. Late game hive management, really good mutalisk harass, and as witnessed vs Flash in the OSL Finals, he's not afraid to mess with you with early zergling attacks. The guy was just really good at the game. It's a shame he quit. I don't think I will ever get over the fact that Effort quit.
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On January 26 2011 00:08 Suc wrote: Please excuse the ignorance, but I have always wondered how on earth Taek-Bang Leessang is constructed. Obviously Taek is Bisu, Bang I think is Stork, but isn't it "Byeong" in his name? Lee is Jaedong or Flash or a combination and I have no friggin clue where the ssang comes from. Can anyone be of help? LeeSsang means 2. Bang is a nickname for stork.
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I remember the period of time maybe 6 months ago or so where Flash was at like 2450 points, Jaedong was at 2390~ish and Bisu and Stork were at hydra level or lower. To the point where Flash would gain like 3-4 points per win except against Jaedong and lose 25 per loss.
Like the first reply said, Bisu only recently came back to form, but I'd still take Jaedong and Flash vs Bisu any day of the week. Stork has consistently been in that 4th place spot, when Bisu wasn't at 3rd it was Effort or Fantasy.
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On January 26 2011 00:33 TheHunksta wrote: I remember the period of time maybe 6 months ago or so where Flash was at like 2450 points, Jaedong was at 2390~ish and Bisu and Stork were at hydra level or lower. To the point where Flash would gain like 3-4 points per win except against Jaedong and lose 25 per loss.
Like the first reply said, Bisu only recently came back to form, but I'd still take Jaedong and Flash vs Bisu any day of the week. Stork has consistently been in that 4th place spot, when Bisu wasn't at 3rd it was Effort or Fantasy. I'd take Flash over Bisu any day of the week. As for Bisu vs Jaedong, that's a tossup considering Bisu's always been pretty good against JD, as has Stork.
If you pit any of the 4 against each other, it'd be a tossup for every matchup except for Bisu vs Flash, where I'd take Flash 100 times outta 100 simply cause Bisu's PvT vs higher echleon players is pretty bad.
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On January 26 2011 00:47 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2011 00:33 TheHunksta wrote: I remember the period of time maybe 6 months ago or so where Flash was at like 2450 points, Jaedong was at 2390~ish and Bisu and Stork were at hydra level or lower. To the point where Flash would gain like 3-4 points per win except against Jaedong and lose 25 per loss.
Like the first reply said, Bisu only recently came back to form, but I'd still take Jaedong and Flash vs Bisu any day of the week. Stork has consistently been in that 4th place spot, when Bisu wasn't at 3rd it was Effort or Fantasy. I'd take Flash over Bisu any day of the week. As for Bisu vs Jaedong, that's a tossup considering Bisu's always been pretty good against JD, as has Stork. If you pit any of the 4 against each other, it'd be a tossup for every matchup except for Bisu vs Flash, where I'd take Flash 100 times outta 100 simply cause Bisu's PvT vs higher echleon players is pretty bad. Funny that JD have negative stats and vs Bisu and vs Stork and vs Flash
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On January 26 2011 01:11 Exchange wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2011 00:47 Roffles wrote:On January 26 2011 00:33 TheHunksta wrote: I remember the period of time maybe 6 months ago or so where Flash was at like 2450 points, Jaedong was at 2390~ish and Bisu and Stork were at hydra level or lower. To the point where Flash would gain like 3-4 points per win except against Jaedong and lose 25 per loss.
Like the first reply said, Bisu only recently came back to form, but I'd still take Jaedong and Flash vs Bisu any day of the week. Stork has consistently been in that 4th place spot, when Bisu wasn't at 3rd it was Effort or Fantasy. I'd take Flash over Bisu any day of the week. As for Bisu vs Jaedong, that's a tossup considering Bisu's always been pretty good against JD, as has Stork. If you pit any of the 4 against each other, it'd be a tossup for every matchup except for Bisu vs Flash, where I'd take Flash 100 times outta 100 simply cause Bisu's PvT vs higher echleon players is pretty bad. Funny that JD have negative stats and vs Bisu and vs Stork and vs Flash jd is zerg, zerg always fight an uphill battle terran just have to turtle and protoss is 1a2a3a into gg + Show Spoiler +
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Funny how Stork has a winning record vs Flash and vs Bisu and vs Jaedong.
Best of the best!
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Russian Federation3329 Posts
whooo nice read haha Taek Bang LeeSsang are really just crazy untouchable right now~
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If you want S class zerg player, he has to be able to challenge Jaedong's ZvZ, which, while being shaky from time to time is still the best on the scene bar none. Other races aren't usually burdened by their mirrors so much. Last zerg that had the luxury of being a toss-up in ZvZ bo5 vs JD was Effort. Calm had his shot, but he still hides in his shell whenever an S class player looks in his direction. Actually it's hilarious how most A players are just punching bags for the top in the solo leagues, look at Free, Kal, Hiya, Movie, Calm. They can get to ro16-ro4, sometimes even to the finals, but more often than not, they run into the squad of death and just...roll over and die. I think the best example is Kal, how many times did he run into Jaedong ? It came to the point where it's almost a joke.
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Russian Federation327 Posts
Besides ZvZ, JD has incredibly strong ZvT (maybe due to all this JvF finals). His few looses in WL are just reflection of ZvP crisis.
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On January 26 2011 00:08 Kipsate wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2011 23:38 Yodo wrote:Jaedong has been playing subpar recently JD is fine. Why do ppl loose their trust to players so fast? Like I said, he is not playing like he used to(e.g dominating his opponents in a brutal manner). That does not mean that he is bad, hell he is still the nr 1 zerg, its just that compared to how he used to play it is not as good.
Jaedong always goes on these mini-slumps, and then makes another final. The last time Jaedong did not make a final was when Stork won his over two years ago. He has made at least one final in 8 of 9 seasons, and has a good shot of making one this season two.
People thought Bisu would never recover to his 08 form, or that Stork would never become his former self. The beauty of Taek-Bang-LeeSang is that all four of them have had a NaDa-like consistency.
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On January 26 2011 01:11 Exchange wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2011 00:47 Roffles wrote:On January 26 2011 00:33 TheHunksta wrote: I remember the period of time maybe 6 months ago or so where Flash was at like 2450 points, Jaedong was at 2390~ish and Bisu and Stork were at hydra level or lower. To the point where Flash would gain like 3-4 points per win except against Jaedong and lose 25 per loss.
Like the first reply said, Bisu only recently came back to form, but I'd still take Jaedong and Flash vs Bisu any day of the week. Stork has consistently been in that 4th place spot, when Bisu wasn't at 3rd it was Effort or Fantasy. I'd take Flash over Bisu any day of the week. As for Bisu vs Jaedong, that's a tossup considering Bisu's always been pretty good against JD, as has Stork. If you pit any of the 4 against each other, it'd be a tossup for every matchup except for Bisu vs Flash, where I'd take Flash 100 times outta 100 simply cause Bisu's PvT vs higher echleon players is pretty bad. Funny that JD have negative stats and vs Bisu and vs Stork and vs Flash Yet, Jaedong has 3 Bo5 wins over Flash, and Bisu/Stork have never beaten JD in a Bo5. He generally tends to lose to S-class players in proleague. Against SKT, he's at a significant disadvantage since he has to prepare a lot for all matchups whereas Bisu's only real threat against Oz is JD.
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Dont worry. Hydra will soon join the 4 ^_^
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James Lebron is wardsback.
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i don't regret that bisu and flash were out of the starleagues... they're performing really well in SWL, their performances in SWL might not be that great if they're still in the starleagues. and good thing you make a separate thread for this. i really love BW now, there's no jd vs flash in starleagues and we can see the come back of the gods of auir. stork is dominating osl (although i'm cheering for fanta so he could have his gold), jd and stork in msl, and flash bisu on SWLs. i can't wait for the next PR, if their performances continue... i'm sure they're going to be the top 4 in the next PR.
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On January 25 2011 17:55 Xxio wrote: Omg...you just made me think of something. I remember in past interviews (around WCG?) Flash and Jaedong (and maybe Bisu) saying "it would be amazing if we were on the same team etc. but it would never happen."
What if they all decided to join ACE at the same time...!!!
(and obviously it would be even better if Stork joined then as well, but I don't know his relationship with everyone else...Bisu isn't quite friends with JD/Flash either afaik, but Flash/JD "send each other encouraging texts" and whatnot) That would be DISGUSTING. You'd see nothing but ACE badges in the LR threads, since everyone would jump ship to Airforce ACE.
Also, lol at the Protoss solidarity. Bisu and Stork, lone wolfs
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On January 26 2011 00:00 Pvvned wrote:Like all zergs before him, Jaedong will also eventually fade away as his mechanics deteriorate. That being said, he still has some time left as the zerg overmind before Neo.G_BONJWA surpasses him. Dunno about this. YellOw still pulled a solid 50% winrate during ACE time, when he was like 28 years old.. And this is all considering that he is an old school player with supposedly a somewhat weaker mechanical base than the newer era players.
Also, Bogus is only 17 and already kickin a very solid 60% winrate in all matchups, and showing incredibly high form in recent few weeks
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On January 26 2011 01:59 Kenpachi wrote: Dont worry. Hydra will soon join the 4 ^_^
Then wouldn't it be the 5? :-P
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On January 26 2011 00:00 Pvvned wrote:Like all zergs before him, Jaedong will also eventually fade away as his mechanics deteriorate. I wouldn't be surprised if Yellow have higher apm today than during his "prime", and I'm pretty sure he's a better player now than back then, maybe not creatively, but definately in terms of speed, efficiency and mistake ratio, which is more important than creativity today. The old top players didn't start sucking because of loss of talent. SC in 2003 was a whole other game than it is today and they all just failed to adapt, or didn't have enough talent to be a top player in today's BW. And I obviously don't mean Yellow isn't talented, but he might not be talented at macrowhoring, which is a requirement today. Comparing Yellow with Jaedong is like comparing Paul McCartney with Yngwie Malmsteen.
As for the future, I think Hydra and Bogus are kind of obvious, but I also have a lot of hopes on Modesty.
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