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Yell0w: I kept telling him that he already won. There's no way you will lose with the skill you have. And he responded in a cute fashion, "Fine then, I'll beat Jaedong easily and advance, ok?" I told him "I have complete faith in you! Go! Go win your games!" (Thumbs up) He later came back that day... "Hyung... Sorry..."
Yell0w + TheMarine: LoL
LOL
but seriously though effort vs. flash were always really good games and he had one of the best vP's out there. hite would be a scary team if he didn't retire
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On January 26 2011 01:32 Zaphid wrote: Last zerg that had the luxury of being a toss-up in ZvZ bo5 vs JD was Effort. He was 4-8 vs Jaedong, I wouldn't really want to call that a toss-up, especially when the last 6 games were 1-5 in Jaedong's favor.
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On January 25 2011 17:41 BLinD-RawR wrote:+ Show Spoiler +JD is Kobe,Flash is Lebron.
Definitely agree. Flash is Lebron Jaedong is Kobe Bisu is Wade (handsome and resurgent force this year) Stork is Dwight Howard (because he's so damn lovable!)
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On January 26 2011 06:21 FakePlasticLove wrote: Broodwar scene is quite boring right now if you're not a fan of TaekBangLeeSsang.
It sucks if you are a fan of A class players like Calm, Kal, Leta, Free, Zero, etc For fanboys perhaps. For people wanting entertaining high quality gameplay, i dont think so. The JvF finals have shown the highest level of gameplay in BW history, and i dont think this seasons starleague finals will be quite as awesome from that point..
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I think this is because they all made their mark as top players in 2007. Ever since Bisu defeated Savior he created the modern era imo where players started to figure out the mechanics of starcraft. Throughout 2008, 2009, and 2010 the mechanics of progamers have been relatively consistent. Older generations saw dramatic change in required APM, multitask, macro etc.
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On January 25 2011 20:52 Tazza wrote: I think its kind of unfair to give Taekbangleessang this much credit because all of these players (except Jaedong) in my opinion have been very subpar at least once in the four years. Kind of like how the great players back then would take turns having dominance. Remember when Flash would just not build enough turrets and lose to 2hatch muta constantly? Remember when Bisu slumped HARD last year in the proleague, and had to take a break? Remember when Stork couldn't win a PvZ to save his life? Jaedong, idk, the only thing I can hold against him is losing to Flash in three consecutive starleagues. But I also remember when Jaedong used to dominate Flash before Flash's amazing run. I think Jaedong imo has been the only player that really hasn't lost such a beat in his entire career. But otherwise, the rest of Taekbanleessang have all had their turns sucking at one point
the thing about TBLS though is how over the last 4 years at least one of them has been on the top, and they always come back. I mean if I made this thread 6 months ago it wouldnt of made much sense, but the recent resurgence of bisu and stork I think proves that no matter what these 4 will eventually come back to the top if they go into a slump. Jaedong is by far the most consistent (I think there have only been like 1 season (incruit/clubday) since his 1st OSL win that he hasnt been to a final?) and bisu is probably the least consistent (most slumps and biggest dips and rises between them).
Either way I would say the main thing I was getting at is that these 4 have always had the most potential out of anyone to play the best BW possible, and it has been that way for an absurdly large amount of time. Generally by now a new generation of players overtakes them in terms of mechanics and skills, but that has not been the case yet.
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On January 25 2011 17:29 rasers wrote: EffOrt would be up there now... iam pretty sure.. the last games we saw of him were freaking awesome good.
Ya I agree that Effort was an insane zerg player. But he rose and fell and rose and fell. I just never saw him as replacing JD as the OP stated. I was so sad that he retired. I would love it if he made me eat my words right now.
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well, Bisu's a heart breaker. In every sense of the word I might add.
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effort to me retired at a really good time. people remember him winning OSL and not much else. Effort wasnt really doing too well right before he retired. he was just smart enough to retire before people realize that he's no good any more
i still think his OSL win was kal and flash just rolling over and giving it to him. look at how much he got outplayed by flash in games 1 and 2... I still cant believe how idiotic flash played in games 3-5 :\.
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On January 27 2011 16:02 Ideas wrote:effort to me retired at a really good time. people remember him winning OSL and not much else. Effort wasnt really doing too well right before he retired. he was just smart enough to retire before people realize that he's no good any more i still think his OSL win was kal and flash just rolling over and giving it to him. look at how much he got outplayed by flash in games 1 and 2... I still cant believe how idiotic flash played in games 3-5 :\. People keep saying that Flash played badly that final but I really disagree. EffOrt was always known for playing a straight-up macro style, 12-hatching and going for a long game. With that knowledge the builds that Flash did made perfect sense. EffOrt simply played unexpected by playing very aggressive in the second half of that series. There's no reason that Flash should have practised for those situations. If you assume Flash is a God and should have been prepared for everything and that anything less than a perfect game is an "idiotic" game by him then I see your point (though it is stupid, even though people joke about how Flash is a machine, he is not, he is still human).
It is impossible to tell what EffOrt might have done had he not retired but I think he was more at Fantasy's level than TBLS. Very good, but not the best. Some good stretches, some bad, but not the kind of domination or consistency that TBLS have demonstrated over the years.
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wtf? no reasonf or flash 2 practise against it? u cant assume that in a final ur oppenent will play just like he did the whole time before.. so yes he should have prepared for that... Effort just outsmarted him there.
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wow bisu beat savior 4 years ago? How time flies...
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2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
In terms of newer players I think the two I'm looking forward to the most are Hydra and Stats. Stats not getting enough credit. ;/
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Ive gotta ask now.... I know who they are... and I know the term has been used for ages. But after googling and searching TL 6 months ago and today I still dont know why its: TaekBangLeeSsang
why?
Taek Is obviously Bisu, and Lee is JD or Flash... so ?
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Leessang = 2 Lee. and Bang is Stork but i dont remember why ^^
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On January 27 2011 20:11 Pippah wrote: Ive gotta ask now.... I know who they are... and I know the term has been used for ages. But after googling and searching TL 6 months ago and today I still dont know why its: TaekBangLeeSsang
why?
Taek Is obviously Bisu, and Lee is JD or Flash... so ?
lol, this has been asked earlier in the thread already @_@
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Click at your own risk. + Show Spoiler +Stork's 0-3 in the MSL made him drop below 2300.
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On January 26 2011 00:02 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2011 23:23 dcberkeley wrote:On January 25 2011 23:10 Roffles wrote: Dunno bout you, but Effort was damn good when he quit. I think he'd be a legitimate contender now against JD if he didn't quit. Oh no doubt. The guy was wicked good in all three matchups, and could hang with the big guns (Stork, Bisu, Flash, JD) no problem at all. The guy knew how to win games, and definitely had the skills and mindset to make it big. Plus, his ZvP was sick. The guy had it all. Late game hive management, really good mutalisk harass, and as witnessed vs Flash in the OSL Finals, he's not afraid to mess with you with early zergling attacks. The guy was just really good at the game. It's a shame he quit.
His scourge, his lings, his ZvP...he'd beat me; he beat Sea... Gahh I miss Effort.
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