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On August 18 2017 01:52 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2017 01:47 EndingLife wrote: You won a WCG or finished first place in USA WCG? Big difference here. Eh, there's a big difference, but if you first a USA WCG you are undoubtedly a top foreigner for that era. I think USA was behind every other country in terms of skill back then. Not taking away from his accomplishment of getting 1st place, which was obviously difficult.
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Aw man I kinda feel bad for incontrol. All that trash talk he received from sc2 really got to him Hang in there man, for every hater there are tons of people who like you. You and 2GD casting that Asus event is probably my favourite memory from sc2!
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On August 18 2017 01:56 EndingLife wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2017 01:52 travis wrote:On August 18 2017 01:47 EndingLife wrote: You won a WCG or finished first place in USA WCG? Big difference here. Eh, there's a big difference, but if you first a USA WCG you are undoubtedly a top foreigner for that era. I think USA was behind every other country in terms of skill back then. Not taking away from his accomplishment of getting 1st place, which was obviously difficult.
I don't think that's true at all. "every other"?
I'd say USA has historically been middle of the road.
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Well, Draco confirmed on polish forums that his SC:BW journey is not over yet and he is preparing to set his stream in the upcoming days
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On August 18 2017 02:05 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2017 01:56 EndingLife wrote:On August 18 2017 01:52 travis wrote:On August 18 2017 01:47 EndingLife wrote: You won a WCG or finished first place in USA WCG? Big difference here. Eh, there's a big difference, but if you first a USA WCG you are undoubtedly a top foreigner for that era. I think USA was behind every other country in terms of skill back then. Not taking away from his accomplishment of getting 1st place, which was obviously difficult. I don't think that's true at all. "every other"? I'd say USA has historically been middle of the road. Okay, not every other country. Just behind Canada, Sweden, Germany, Poland, Russia etc.
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On August 18 2017 02:07 739 wrote:Well, Draco confirmed on polish forums that his SC:BW journey is not over yet and he is preparing to set his stream in the upcoming days Draco looked great in the recent games played. Just needs some fine tuning.
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On August 18 2017 01:56 EndingLife wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2017 01:52 travis wrote:On August 18 2017 01:47 EndingLife wrote: You won a WCG or finished first place in USA WCG? Big difference here. Eh, there's a big difference, but if you first a USA WCG you are undoubtedly a top foreigner for that era. I think USA was behind every other country in terms of skill back then. Not taking away from his accomplishment of getting 1st place, which was obviously difficult.
That's not really true, though. The overall consesus (as far as I recall) was that EU was stronger than NA. However, the US was still a pretty strong nation. Take for instance the WGTour World Cup II in 2007 (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/WGTour_World_Cup_Season_2). The US got knocked out by the winner of the entire tournament and with smaller margins than in the Grand Finals. I haven't gotten into details, though, whether there were more to the story than the numbers.
http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft/news/7035-incontrol-swarms-wcg-usa - just a few months later, Incontrol goes to win WCG in a tournament which includes Idra, Nony and a whole lot of big names.
I do see that you're pointing out that it's still very well done to win such a tournament, but I still feel it's a pretty damn strong achievement. Not debating the US was on par with f.ex. Poland and such, but still...
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On August 18 2017 02:26 Incomplete..ReV wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2017 01:56 EndingLife wrote:On August 18 2017 01:52 travis wrote:On August 18 2017 01:47 EndingLife wrote: You won a WCG or finished first place in USA WCG? Big difference here. Eh, there's a big difference, but if you first a USA WCG you are undoubtedly a top foreigner for that era. I think USA was behind every other country in terms of skill back then. Not taking away from his accomplishment of getting 1st place, which was obviously difficult. That's not really true, though. The overall consesus (as far as I recall) was that EU was stronger than NA. However, the US was still a pretty strong nation. Take for instance the WGTour World Cup II in 2007 (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/WGTour_World_Cup_Season_2). The US got knocked out by the winner of the entire tournament and with smaller margins than in the Grand Finals. I haven't gotten into details, though, whether there were more to the story than the numbers. http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft/news/7035-incontrol-swarms-wcg-usa - just a few months later, Incontrol goes to win WCG in a tournament which includes Idra, Nony and a whole lot of big names. I do see that you're pointing out that it's still very well done to win such a tournament, but I still feel it's a pretty damn strong achievement. Not debating the US was on par with f.ex. Poland and such, but still... The US had some pretty strong players throughout the years. Some of them were REALLY good and even made it to Korea to play the game. People like Froz, Assem, Nony and Idra were all really skilled and could keep up with anyone at their peak. I still think the US was slightly behind the other nations.
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Incontrol got into drama again. Every time he appears in BW forum he gets flamed hard for not being here since release SC2. I think let's forget past. This is "different" game, it's Remastered and time will tell who will conquer top spots.
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Y'all really pulling out the measuring tape here. Every top foreigner at the time could take a series from another top foreigner anywhere in the world right? You make it sound like its easy to rank players/nations like there was this obvious order when theirs not.
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On August 18 2017 02:37 EndingLife wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2017 02:26 Incomplete..ReV wrote:On August 18 2017 01:56 EndingLife wrote:On August 18 2017 01:52 travis wrote:On August 18 2017 01:47 EndingLife wrote: You won a WCG or finished first place in USA WCG? Big difference here. Eh, there's a big difference, but if you first a USA WCG you are undoubtedly a top foreigner for that era. I think USA was behind every other country in terms of skill back then. Not taking away from his accomplishment of getting 1st place, which was obviously difficult. That's not really true, though. The overall consesus (as far as I recall) was that EU was stronger than NA. However, the US was still a pretty strong nation. Take for instance the WGTour World Cup II in 2007 (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/WGTour_World_Cup_Season_2). The US got knocked out by the winner of the entire tournament and with smaller margins than in the Grand Finals. I haven't gotten into details, though, whether there were more to the story than the numbers. http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft/news/7035-incontrol-swarms-wcg-usa - just a few months later, Incontrol goes to win WCG in a tournament which includes Idra, Nony and a whole lot of big names. I do see that you're pointing out that it's still very well done to win such a tournament, but I still feel it's a pretty damn strong achievement. Not debating the US was on par with f.ex. Poland and such, but still... The US had some pretty strong players throughout the years. Some of them were REALLY good and even made it to Korea to play the game. People like Froz, Assem, Nony and Idra were all really skilled and could keep up with anyone at their peak. I still think the US was slightly behind the other nations. Slightly behind because of lack of players I'd say. But no one else can say they had the white hope Idra.
On August 18 2017 02:46 hiro protagonist wrote: Y'all really pulling out the measuring tape here. Every top foreigner at the time could take a series from another top foreigner anywhere in the world right? You make it sound like its easy to rank players/nations like there was this obvious order when theirs not.
Sure but theres still favorites. I wouldnt throw anyone good odds beating Idra in a bo anything near the release of Sc2 or even Nony for that matter. But in general id say yes anything could happen.
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Any word from Androide Advokate Ex Heme Ramms?
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On August 18 2017 02:46 hiro protagonist wrote: Y'all really pulling out the measuring tape here. Every top foreigner at the time could take a series from another top foreigner anywhere in the world right? You make it sound like its easy to rank players/nations like there was this obvious order when theirs not.
It's only because there were nation wars back then so we could know which country had the best line ups and it's true that at least back when I played (I quit in 2006) USA was not weak but not that strong either. I remember we had very good results in those and Sweden and Poland were quite tough too, It was long ago so I'm not too sure of the rankings.
Also Geoff you seem to have held a grudge against me all this time from listening to the cast 3 days ago and well I'm aware I can be quite a dick at time, used to be much worse than I am now but I'm aware of it and It's probably always going to be a work in progress and hopefully we can get along better this time around.
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On August 17 2017 08:14 Alpha-NP- wrote: I'm not talking about B- low skill players but old A/A+ players like Incontrol that came back. InControl was known as an A player? :O
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BW brings the best out of all of us
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BW is all about proving your worth and trying to invalidate other people's
:')
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damn, this thread brings a tear to my eye
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i think USA probably most bipolar BW nation. not that many players who were skilled enough to be internationaly competitive, but the players who were able to compete had a lot of talent.
this probably goes in hand with just how big the country is geographically as opposed to a country with a concentrated population like korea or sweden.
USA USA USA
(also is it fair to compare one country with EU region which is comprised of several concentrated countries and languages?)
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damn, i was hoping that travis-incontrol conflict would end up with an on-stream grudge match. thats what the scene really needs.
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Well i have heard that Fenix and Castro from Perú want to comeback, Dinot was also playing a lot a couple of months ago, even participated at Filthy cups weekly tours.
And one funny thing is that playing on ladder 2 days ago i got matched with a guy with the nick "IdrA" on the map Nostalgia, i asked the guy if he was the real Idra or a Fake one, he replied he was the real one, but i'm not sure, i speedling rushed him, and he left, typing "gg". The real IdrA would have said something like "you are good at making zerglings, very useful talent toi have".
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