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On October 30 2012 01:40 iGrok wrote: Ok, as a Georgia fan, I want to put forth a hypothetical question to yall:
As you should know, when it comes to the National Championship Game, the computer rankings don't really matter, its whatever game will give the most views. If Georgia wins out (which they should, though to be fair its Georgia), they'll be against Alabama in the SEC Championship. They'll have a shot (maybe 3:1 against) against Alabama.
If you were the BCS NCG selection Committee, pick two: 12-0 ND, 13-0 Oregon who's strongest win will be over Oregon State, 12-1 UGA who just knocked off Alabama, 12-0 Kansas State with a Heisman-winning QB (Because no matter how good Manti Te-o is, no defensive guy will win).
P.S. How the hell is USC still ranked 17 P.P.S. The Sagarin poll ranks Alabama 7 wth?
Georgia's schedule was piss easy, and since their only loss was a blowout, I doubt they'll make it even if they beat Bama. But if LSU beats Bama and wins out and wins SEC, they'll have better chance of making NC than Georgia imo. Assuming SEC doesn't have an undefeated team, and Oregon/ND/K-State goes undefeated, its best bet to have a team in NCG would be if LSU beats Bama, wins out, and takes out Florida in the SEC championship game (Georgia would have to lose a game) to avenge its only loss imo.
But I think there is enough anti-SEC sentiment out there that if there is no undefeated team from SEC, it will be musical chair between Oregon, ND, and K-State, assuming all 3 goes undefeated.
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On October 30 2012 01:40 iGrok wrote: P.S. How the hell is USC still ranked 17 P.P.S. The Sagarin poll ranks Alabama 7 wth? Sagarin's real poll ranks Alabama #1. But the BCS only uses a portion of it (basically win-loss & strength of schedule), and Bama is #7 in that. http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt12.htm
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Why is there anti-SEC sentiment? Because we are demonstrably better?
SEC has won 8 of the 14 BCS NCGs, the last 6 straight, and every NCG that an SEC team has played in.
2006: Florida kicks the snot out of 12-0 Ohio State (def Texas, Penn State, Iowa, Michigan State, Michigan [only close game]) 2007: LSU (Lost to two SEC teams in triple overtime) soundly defeats Ohio State (def mostly the same people, lost to Illinois) 2008: Florida (lost to Ole Miss 30-31) defeats Oklahoma (def TCU, Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, Mizzou, lost to Texas) 2009: Alabama crushes Texas (def Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Nebraska) - to be fair, Colt McCoy got knocked out early. 2010: Auburn def Oregon (def Stanford, USC, Arizona) 2011: Alabama def LSU - who else but two SEC teams? OKState's strongest win was #14 Oklahoma and had just lost to unranked Iowa St., Stanford didn't have a ranked win and had just lost to #5 Oregon, Oregon lost to LSU first game of the Season, and Arkansas lost to both Alabama and LSU and was still ranked #6.
2012: Nobody is talking about Alabama because everyone just cedes them the #1 spot. Now everyone is saying they have an easy schedule. And they do. But Alabama hasn't trailed at the end of a quarter since they played Auburn in 2010 (LSU loss in 2011 was in overtime). They are so good they are boring, and the reason they aren't blowing people out by 60 points (only 30) is that they don't need to prove anything (unlike Oregon).
Lets go conference by conference. ACC: 1 loss FSU plays Florida last game of the season, def Clemson who plays USCarolina. Everyone else is awful. Big 12: Kansas State looks strong. Oklahoma is good. Everyone else is bad. Big East: Rutgers leads the conference. Big Ten: Ohio State has an incredibly weak schedule (Mich/Nebraska). No one else even close. CUSA: Go Tulsa! Lol. MAC: Kent State's only loss is to Kentucky, a bad SEC team. MWC: Boise State's only loss is to their only ranked opponent. PAC-12: Oregon hasn't and won't play anyone. Sure they blow up everybody, but there are MAC teams that have tougher schedules. The only game that might matter is Oregon State. USC is once again far below expectations. Props to Washington for having the balls to schedule LSU - at least someone isn't scared of a challenge. I think they are the only PAC-12 team to schedule a SEC opponent. SEC: Alabama, LSU, Georgia, Florida, South Carolina, Mississippi State, Texas A&M.- Alabama as noted above
- LSU looks shaky this year, but they are still doing well - the big test is Alabama this week
- Georgia seems like they got their shit together after South Carolina, though they had a relatively easy schedule this year
- Florida knocked off LSU and will likely knock out FSU at the end of the year
- USC faced Georgia-LSU-Florida back-to-back-to-back, and still played incredibly competitively.
- Miss State played no one and lost to Bama, lets see how they do against A&M (personally I think TA&M is better than Miss State)
- Texas A&M's only losses are to Florida and LSU.
So 7 teams in the SEC have only lost to teams that are currently ranked 1-11. Sun Belt/WAC no one cares. Notre Dame: Lets look at "quality wins" (wins vs top 25 teams) compared to the team's current ranking. Michigan State (was 8, now unranked). Michigan (17, unranked). Stanford (17, 14). Oklahoma (8, 12). They will play USC (17), who is going to lose to Oregon and may be unranked after that, 20 at the highest. But lets count them in.
So, our good teams are: FSU, Clemson, Kansas State, Oregon, Alabama, LSU, Georgia, Florida, South Carolina, Mississippi State, Texas A&M, Notre Dame
FSU-Florida and USC-Clemson will be settled end of the year. Alabama-Georgia will be settled SEC Championship Game, are better than Florida, USC, Mississippi State, Texas A&M
The odd ones out are Oregon, KState, ND. How can we rank them? Oregon is blowing out nobodies, their only possible ranked win will be Oregon State, who also doesn't have a ranked win. KState has two ranked wins, vs #21 WV and #23 Texas, both are sliding and may be unranked by the end of the season as well. ND has ranked wins over Stanford, Oklahoma, and possibly USC. Clearly the strongest schedule, but they play closer games.
Now lets think about viewership. ND and Oregon both bring in more than KState, so they are out (sorry, thats business). SEC brings in more than anyone.
And now, finally, back to my original point. IF Georgia knocks off Alabama in the SEC championship game, who do you pick? I don't see how it could be anything other than SEC Champion vs ND or Oregon (or KState if Oregon/ND lose before the end of the season).
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iGrok, I totally agree with you that overall the SEC is the best conference. I'm an A&M grad and I'm all "SEC! SEC! SEC!" but given the scenario that Bama loses to the SEC east champion and there are at least two other undefeated teams, in no way should the SEC champion go ahead of them. No matter what the schedule is, going undefeated in a major BCS conference should be rewarded.
Or we could be looking at 4 undefeated teams, with two of them being screwed out of the MNC. We need a playoffs ASAP
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FSU-Clemson will be settled end of the year. Pretty sure you meant FSU-Florida ^_^ Clemson and FSU are both in the Atlantic side of the ACC so we couldn't play for the Conf Champ.
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On October 30 2012 04:37 Probe1 wrote:Pretty sure you meant FSU-Florida ^_^ Clemson and FSU are both in the Atlantic side of the ACC so we couldn't play for the Conf Champ. Actually I meant FSU-Florida AND Clemson-USC :D just combined them both into one haha
On October 30 2012 04:33 holy_war wrote: iGrok, I totally agree with you that overall the SEC is the best conference. I'm an A&M grad and I'm all "SEC! SEC! SEC!" but given the scenario that Bama loses to the SEC east champion and there are at least two other undefeated teams, in no way should the SEC champion go ahead of them. No matter what the schedule is, going undefeated in a major BCS conference should be rewarded.
Or we could be looking at 4 undefeated teams, with two of them being screwed out of the MNC. We need a playoffs ASAP The National Title is supposed to be the Best Team in College Football. Honestly, and I don't mean this disrespectfully, but who actually thinks that KState could beat Alabama, Georgia, Florida, LSU, or even USC? Going undefeated is an overrated metric: if you play nobody, you shouldn't be rewarded for going undefeated.
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On October 30 2012 01:13 Probe1 wrote: Notre Dame.. easy schedule.. half their wins against ranked teams, half those opponents ranked 10th or better..
How many of there opponents are still top 10 or even top 20 and how many SEC opponents do they play?
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On October 30 2012 04:50 CajunMan wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2012 01:13 Probe1 wrote: Notre Dame.. easy schedule.. half their wins against ranked teams, half those opponents ranked 10th or better.. How many of there opponents are still top 10 or even top 20 and how many SEC opponents do they play? Exactly. Don't look at rank at time of game, look at rank now (as I said in my post hehe)
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Oh you say Alabama is a complete team that destroys everyone they've played this year?
Well we do the same but it only takes us 30 mins. -Not impressed Oregon team.
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Oh come on, look at who you've played. I'm not saying bama has a hard schedule but jesus you should be ashamed of the teams you guys scheduled.
You're right, I'm not impressed with the Oregon team
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On October 30 2012 04:15 iGrok wrote:
The odd ones out are Oregon, KState, ND. How can we rank them? Oregon is blowing out nobodies, their only possible ranked win will be Oregon State, who also doesn't have a ranked win. KState has two ranked wins, vs #21 WV and #23 Texas, both are sliding and may be unranked by the end of the season as well. ND has ranked wins over Stanford, Oklahoma, and possibly USC. Clearly the strongest schedule, but they play closer games.
Clearly the strongest? K-state beat OU also. WV and TT were ranked quite a bit higher before k-state hulk-smash'd them. They also have Texas and OSU coming up.
That said, ND would probably get it, deserving or not.
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On October 30 2012 06:57 Smackzilla wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2012 04:15 iGrok wrote:
The odd ones out are Oregon, KState, ND. How can we rank them? Oregon is blowing out nobodies, their only possible ranked win will be Oregon State, who also doesn't have a ranked win. KState has two ranked wins, vs #21 WV and #23 Texas, both are sliding and may be unranked by the end of the season as well. ND has ranked wins over Stanford, Oklahoma, and possibly USC. Clearly the strongest schedule, but they play closer games.
Clearly the strongest? K-state beat OU also. WV and TT were ranked quite a bit higher before k-state hulk-smash'd them. They also have Texas and OSU coming up. That said, ND would probably get it, deserving or not. I missed KState over OU. In that case its more of a tossup between them. But don't say Texas (lost to their ranked opponents, close games vs "powerhouses" kansas and Baylor). But yeah ND is going to get the nod over KState.
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On October 29 2012 23:53 CajunMan wrote: ND and oregon really don't deserve their spots both schedules have been jokes. I think in the coming years teams are going to get shut out if they do not start scheduling sec teams or at least more big names. Neither of them deserve top five conversation there is a ton of one loss even 2 loss teams better than both.
@combz I never claimed OU was good just that it would be better competion I have been a big OU skeptic for years they have been way overrated and this just proves it. ND still has a soft schedule and as OU loses more this season it will only confirm that. I hope ND makes a bowl so they end up like Ohio state against the sec This has to be one of the more idiotic things I've seen posted here. Going into the season ND had the #1 SoS. Yes a lot of those teams are down but ND still has the best SoS up to this point of any of the undefeated teams. Meanwhile you give alabama a pass, their schedule has been awful up to this point.
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On October 30 2012 05:42 Damiani wrote:Oh you say Alabama is a complete team that destroys everyone they've played this year? Well we do the same but it only takes us 30 mins. -Not impressed Oregon team.
Alabama has basically won every game this year in 30 minutes. We just don't needlessly run up the score to 60+ against soft opponents because it's kind of lame.
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I don't understand how you grade teams. Because Notre Dame won they have a worse schedule. So you can only have a hard schedule if you lose.
So.. Alabama is the worst team in the nation 2 years running..?
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On October 30 2012 07:31 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2012 05:42 Damiani wrote:Oh you say Alabama is a complete team that destroys everyone they've played this year? Well we do the same but it only takes us 30 mins. -Not impressed Oregon team. Alabama has basically won every game this year in 30 minutes. We just don't needlessly run up the score to 60+ against soft opponents because it's kind of lame. Such an inferior post. What did you expect Oregon to take a kneel down on every on every possession they get after they're up 21 points? Oregon was just playing their offense and it's the opposing team's defense job to stop them. Come on make sense with your post. Think before you post. Don't post then think. Don't even discredit teams like Arizona or Arizona st. When Oregon played Arizona st. Arizona St. had the 8th best defense in the country at the time. What Oregon did to that defense was just embarrassing. Stop sipping on them hatorade. I've watched college football for 20years now i've never seen any team do what oregon has done ever. The closest thing to what Oregon been doing was when Danny Wuerfflel was with Florida and Steve Spurrier was head coach. There's one thing to hate on a team your don't like but to down play their success is just plain ignorant. By the way i love how some people bash oregon for their soft schedule but turn a blind eye on Alabama soft schedule. But if you want to rank teams based on the eyeball test ya ok i agree bama #1 but Oregon definately #2. But if you're going to rank teams based on SOS Notre Dame #1 K-State #2 Bama #3 Oregon #4.
Edit: For anyone who says ND "really didn't play anyone" let me show you the list of teams they've played so far again. Navy : Purdue : Michigan St. :Michigan : Miami : Stanford : Byu : OU. Trust me had Bama schedule any of these 4 teams as their OOC games and win them they would get so much credit for this. ND have the toughest schedule in my eyes period. I don't care where these teams rank by the end of the season. When i saw ND schedule before the season started i thought they were gonna go 4-8 or 6-6 at best. But for them to go undefeated so far they won me over. Undefeated ND should definately be in the NCG.
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On October 30 2012 07:31 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2012 05:42 Damiani wrote:Oh you say Alabama is a complete team that destroys everyone they've played this year? Well we do the same but it only takes us 30 mins. -Not impressed Oregon team. Alabama has basically won every game this year in 30 minutes. We just don't needlessly run up the score to 60+ against soft opponents because it's kind of lame.
I think it's more that Oregon has to run up the score, because it'd be sad if they weren't beating these teams 40 points.
You also forgot that Notre Dame beat powerhouse 5-3 Michigan too.
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On October 30 2012 04:40 iGrok wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2012 04:37 Probe1 wrote:FSU-Clemson will be settled end of the year. Pretty sure you meant FSU-Florida ^_^ Clemson and FSU are both in the Atlantic side of the ACC so we couldn't play for the Conf Champ. Actually I meant FSU-Florida AND Clemson-USC :D just combined them both into one haha Show nested quote +On October 30 2012 04:33 holy_war wrote: iGrok, I totally agree with you that overall the SEC is the best conference. I'm an A&M grad and I'm all "SEC! SEC! SEC!" but given the scenario that Bama loses to the SEC east champion and there are at least two other undefeated teams, in no way should the SEC champion go ahead of them. No matter what the schedule is, going undefeated in a major BCS conference should be rewarded.
Or we could be looking at 4 undefeated teams, with two of them being screwed out of the MNC. We need a playoffs ASAP The National Title is supposed to be the Best Team in College Football. Honestly, and I don't mean this disrespectfully, but who actually thinks that KState could beat Alabama, Georgia, Florida, LSU, or even USC? Going undefeated is an overrated metric: if you play nobody, you shouldn't be rewarded for going undefeated. Dude, you are such a homer it's sad. You really think 'Bama Georgia Florida LSU and USC are the best five teams in the entire country no questions asked? LoL whatever, why have it decided on the field when we could just ask you?
Just make the fucking SEC championship game the national title game, that would fit with iGrok's ideology.
If an SEC team loses to another SEC team, it just shows how good the conference is. If an SEC team never loses, they're the best hands down. Yeah, some swell logic. Everything makes the SEC look good lol
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Ease up there's no need to be hostile over his opinion. We all love our conferences. Although to be fair, look when an average guy like me sees a top ten team just beat the shit out of a bottom ten team it doesn't do much to make me respect them. FSU included. I was not happy that we weren't just running the clock down after we broke 50 points against Murray State. It's a shitty way for other teams to get experience and it's a great way to give your players injuries for nothing.
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On October 30 2012 09:03 MountainDewJunkie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2012 04:40 iGrok wrote:On October 30 2012 04:37 Probe1 wrote:FSU-Clemson will be settled end of the year. Pretty sure you meant FSU-Florida ^_^ Clemson and FSU are both in the Atlantic side of the ACC so we couldn't play for the Conf Champ. Actually I meant FSU-Florida AND Clemson-USC :D just combined them both into one haha On October 30 2012 04:33 holy_war wrote: iGrok, I totally agree with you that overall the SEC is the best conference. I'm an A&M grad and I'm all "SEC! SEC! SEC!" but given the scenario that Bama loses to the SEC east champion and there are at least two other undefeated teams, in no way should the SEC champion go ahead of them. No matter what the schedule is, going undefeated in a major BCS conference should be rewarded.
Or we could be looking at 4 undefeated teams, with two of them being screwed out of the MNC. We need a playoffs ASAP The National Title is supposed to be the Best Team in College Football. Honestly, and I don't mean this disrespectfully, but who actually thinks that KState could beat Alabama, Georgia, Florida, LSU, or even USC? Going undefeated is an overrated metric: if you play nobody, you shouldn't be rewarded for going undefeated. Dude, you are such a homer it's sad. You really think 'Bama Georgia Florida LSU and USC are the best five teams in the entire country no questions asked? LoL whatever, why have it decided on the field when we could just ask you? Just make the fucking SEC championship game the national title game, that would fit with iGrok's ideology. If an SEC team loses to another SEC team, it just shows how good the conference is. If an SEC team never loses, they're the best hands down. Yeah, some swell logic. Everything makes the SEC look good lol That was totally uncalled for.
I didn't say that Bama/UGA/UF/LSU/USC were the best 5 teams in the country. I said that any of them could beat Kansas State - and one of them probably will in a bowl game. In fact, I'll bet you $100 right now that IF KState plays an SEC team postseason, they lose. You want to take me up on that?
If you'd bothered to read instead of getting mad and yelling homer, you'd have seen that I don't care about what conference your losses are to, I care about their rank. Fully half of the SEC has only lost to teams ranked 1-11 (though that will change next week when TA&M and MState play).
Yes, lets have it decided on the field. And lets make the SEC championship game the title game. For the past 6 years, it has been.
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