Zach Lowe's take on season ending awards. I find it weird he doesn't have a ballot, as I consider him one of the better if not the best basketball writers out there (how are those given out anyway?). Found that little bit about the Clippers being a league-best offense with CP3 on the floor and 25th with him off pretty interesting.
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DystopiaX
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Zach Lowe's take on season ending awards. I find it weird he doesn't have a ballot, as I consider him one of the better if not the best basketball writers out there (how are those given out anyway?). Found that little bit about the Clippers being a league-best offense with CP3 on the floor and 25th with him off pretty interesting. | ||
Jibba
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For 6th man, I guess Tobias Harris falls in that category of doing what he's been doing, just at greater minutes. Still, it's a pretty remarkable jump and there's no guarantee that a player can continue or increase production when given 3x the minutes (I'd bet most can't.) Not enough time playing at that level to win it, but should've been mentioned. | ||
krndandaman
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DystopiaX
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On April 17 2013 02:57 Jibba wrote: I agree with most of it, although I'd take Hibbert over Asik for 3rd on DPOTY. COTY really could've gone to anyone. Pop, Thibs, Hollins, Karl, Woodson or Spo. For 6th man, I guess Tobias Harris falls in that category of doing what he's been doing, just at greater minutes. Still, it's a pretty remarkable jump and there's no guarantee that a player can continue or increase production when given 3x the minutes (I'd bet most can't.) Not enough time playing at that level to win it, but should've been mentioned. I think it's cause of impact. The Rockets are above average in defense when Asik plays and close to league worst when he's not. Hibbert is good defensively but the Pacers also rely on him less as they also have other very good players on defense. IMO Larry Sanders for MIP isn't even a question. Went from basically a nobody to the league leader in blocked shots and has the most impact on shot percentage in the paint. Basically from nobody into the talks for DPOY. @above- why do you disagree with Woodson? I think that most going into the season didn't have the Knicks anywhere near 2nd seed, the most optimistic I saw were 7-8th seed like last year. I think Lowe definitely makes a good argument (JR improving that much/Anthony at the 4/their defensive scheme) As a Bulls fan I think Thibs deserves mention, although I can see arguments to the contrary (offense stagnant/defensive schemes basically the same as previous years) although the team being as good as it has been without DRose and major injuries to all our key players is pretty significant IMO. | ||
MassHysteria
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Poll: Who is your (TL) NBA Coach of the Year? Popovich (12) Spoelstra (10) Karl (5) Other (2) Woodson (0) Thibeaiudoiue (Thibs) (0) 29 total votes Your vote: Who is your (TL) NBA Coach of the Year? (Vote): Spoelstra | ||
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DystopiaX
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Kalu-X17
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Ace
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On April 17 2013 02:27 DystopiaX wrote: http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9176296/mvp-lebron-james-rest-nba-regular-season-awards Zach Lowe's take on season ending awards. I find it weird he doesn't have a ballot, as I consider him one of the better if not the best basketball writers out there (how are those given out anyway?). Found that little bit about the Clippers being a league-best offense with CP3 on the floor and 25th with him off pretty interesting. some of the votes are given out based on media markets. But all the NBA awards are at the point where popularity and exposure mean much more than actual production and skill level. Pretty meaningless. | ||
Jibba
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On April 17 2013 04:37 Ace wrote: some of the votes are given out based on media markets. But all the NBA awards are at the point where popularity and exposure mean much more than actual production and skill level. Pretty meaningless. What? You mean Greg Monroe and Chris Paul shouldn't have gotten DPOTY considerations last year?!! | ||
MassHysteria
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edit: agree with dystopia below | ||
DystopiaX
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krndandaman
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Jerubaal
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DystopiaX
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On April 17 2013 05:07 Jerubaal wrote: It's strange to compare the MVP with CotY. Many people, and I suspect many voters, think this should be given to the best player in the league, regardless of performance that year. I suspect that the Heat would win more games without Lebron than OKC would win without Durant and Durant personally has had an individually great year so that gives him a strong case for MVP, but almost all will still call Lebron the best player. CotY, in contrast, almost always seems to be given to a feel good story. For one, 'coaching ability' is not as variable or as measurable as player skill. That might lead to PJ and Pop splitting the last 15 CotY awards and that's not so fun. I think that's flawed logic though. That says more about the rest of the team than the player itself, but why can't a player be most valuable on an equally strong team? A more appropriate hypothetical would be what if Durant played on the Heat/Lebron on the Thunder, and compare the Durant-Heat with the Lebron-Heat and the Lebron-Thunder with the Durant-Thunder. The fact that the Heat have a great bench and DWade and Bosh doesn't mean that Lebron isn't still the best player in basketball right now. On April 17 2013 05:07 krndandaman wrote: he's done well but others have done better. I'd easily put popovich and spoelstra ahead. really? I thought most people put the knicks at around 3rd seed before the season started? it's less of what woodson hasn't done but more of what others have done for me. He did put Pop ahead, and Spo just behind. I saw a lot more of "knicks 8th seed" preseason, citing the fact that Amare/Melo/Chandler "big 3" didn't have an impact last year, and their bench got Fat Felton, Old Kidd, and a bunch of old big men. ofc we didn't know that we'd be getting good felton and not fat felton, that Kidd's still got it at 40, that Amare out fixed a lot of rotation problems, JR would improve on defense and be hot, Melo would be a great fit at the 4, etc. But those are all mostly surprises during the season, at least from what I've seen/heard, and not things that were mostly expected going in. And at least some of those things (JR's improvements on both sides of the ball/Melo at the 4) can be directly attributed to Woodson. | ||
MassHysteria
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On April 17 2013 05:07 Jerubaal wrote: I think they try to give COTY in a way that is sort of measurable in that they try to give it to how a coach did with the team compared to how it did the previous season. Ideally at least. Then they take into account injuries and how they dealt with them, or new players that they had to integrate (beginning or mid-season?). Did the team exceed expectations coming into the season? They would also want to consider if they did something "revolutionary" or "out of the box" like Thibs and his defense a few years ago.It's strange to compare the MVP with CotY. Many people, and I suspect many voters, think this should be given to the best player in the league, regardless of performance that year. I suspect that the Heat would win more games without Lebron than OKC would win without Durant and Durant personally has had an individually great year so that gives him a strong case for MVP, but almost all will still call Lebron the best player. CotY, in contrast, almost always seems to be given to a feel good story. For one, 'coaching ability' is not as variable or as measurable as player skill. That might lead to PJ and Pop splitting the last 15 CotY awards and that's not so fun. I agree that it is very subjective though, and it is almost always easier to point out two, three to five coaches that should be in the running than it is to choose one single winner. The MVP voting has always been more of a public joke though because usually the MVP is so clear to everyone who watches the season, yet the voters get tired of voting for the same guy every season so you get some funny shit sometimes. This year should not be one of those or would be the biggest joke till now heh. edit:grammar corrections | ||
krndandaman
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DystopiaX
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Remember this was pre-season too. EVERYONE I knew and read had Chicago higher than them, because we thought we'd have DRose by February if not as soon as Christmas, Philly thought they'd have Bynum if not immediately then soon, and so they looked promising, lists I saw had the Bucks and Knicks around each other. Atlanta was higher too given their seeding last year, Louis Williams/Horford improving, J-Smoove. And remember even last offseason people were talking about Melo being a black hole on offense, terrible on defense, couldn't share the ball with the talent, bad chemistry, Amare pouting cause of no touches, etc. A lot of people thought of (and some still do) think of Melo as the type of All-Star player who brings flash to the table but no rings. For the record my East top 8 would have been something like 1. MIA 2. BOS 3.IND 4.CHI (bit of homerism, but I thought we could hold on and get D-Rose back around Christmas? With the defense I thought we'd be fine. Couldn't anticipate the injuries ofc) 5.BKN 6.PHI 7.NYK 8-9.ATL/MIL | ||
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