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On November 01 2010 01:49 Klive5ive wrote: What the fuck? Not only is this racist it's so fucking hypocritical.
It's racist because why shouldn't China be the most powerful nation in the world? This video implies they are evil or some shit. Well by that logic America is evil right now. Why shouldn't Americans work for the Chinese when so much of the world works for America right now? Considering how much exploitation America and the rest of the 1st world countries take part in I thought that this video was so fucking stupid.
Exactly. But to be fair, this is only the view of some Americans. Most of them are actually decent human beings who understand how wrong this viewpoint is, and they will probably be somewhat relieved when they get to hand over the reigns to China. Personally, I am behind improving relationships between the people in different countries. I love the internet because it allows us to be all connected.
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Half those "Chinese students" didn't even look Chinese.
Stop government spending that is bankrupting America.. hmm... like... spending trillions on wars...?
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On November 01 2010 02:59 gulii wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 02:50 Almin wrote:On November 01 2010 02:48 Widar wrote:On November 01 2010 02:43 Deadlyhazard wrote:On November 01 2010 02:34 Widar wrote: Hahaha <3
America didn't notice it's downfall until now?
Also, why go back to what made them crappy? What is with you Swedish folk and hating the US? I swear, it's almost always by a Swedish poster! Haters gonna hate on our debt! We have been spoiled by free healthcare and a superior political system. Too much justice and welfare can take it's toll on you Sweden also has the biggest gay parade in the world. No wonder there's no crime. Didn´t knew it was the biggest in the world, thats just sad cuz it´s kinda small.. They featured it in the Visiting Sweden show, where they travel everywhere and tell you places to see.
It's either Sweden, Norway, or Finland, for sure.
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i dont find this racist at all.. seems like they actually make the chinese to look intelligent and classy. the advertisement may seem like propaganda but it makes a great point, the USA is making major changes to what made the country great.
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On November 01 2010 08:08 Gaga wrote: this commercial is sooo fucking stupid
to really believe that the rise of china and halt of the dominance of the USA is because of the healthcare bill and the stimulus program ...
thats like blaming the water of the fireman is the reason why your house burned down
or if you believe what obama is doing is wrong
that the last blow of the axe is why the tree is falling ... ignoring all the blows before.
and btw.
because the usa ows so much money to china ... its in chinas best interests that the usa is doing good... to repay its depth... if the usa would go down ... it would take china with it.
Thats the great thing about globalisation .. if one gloablized country gets fucked, it hurts the whole world -> everyone has an interest that their trade partners do ok.
One of the negative effects of globalisation is the import and export of culture ( source wikipedia). Hypothetically, if China was to become the leading superpower, then alot of the other countries that rely on China might become pro-communist and thats obviously not a good thing. So this commercial has some good side to it, that is, to preserve the ideals of democracy. Note i said hypothetical because this might not be the case, but could be.
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On November 01 2010 11:39 JeRLittlefielD wrote: i dont find this racist at all.. seems like they actually make the chinese to look intelligent and classy. the advertisement may seem like propaganda but it makes a great point, the USA is making major changes to what made the country great.
what made the usa great and what changes are belying this?
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On November 01 2010 11:44 ace246 wrote: One of the negative effects of globalisation is the import and export of culture ( source wikipedia). Hypothetically, if China was to become the leading superpower, then alot of the other countries that rely on China might become pro-communist and thats obviously not a good thing. So this commercial has some good side to it, that is, to preserve the ideals of democracy. Note i said hypothetical because this might not be the case, but could be. That's obviously not a good thing? Why is that obviously not a good thing? You imply it's a bad thing, why is it bad?
Let's really sit down and think about this for a second. Pretend you're from another planet or something and don't know any history. If China is Communist, and China goes on to become the leading superpower, completely outpacing neo-liberal capitalist countries, how does this logically lead to Communism being bad? Ignoring, for the sake of argument, the fact that China's economy is not even purely Communist.
Let's not just spew empty McCarthyist rhetoric here, don't make the assumption that everyone in the discussion is from the same western propagandized background as yourself. Elaborate on why you would make such a bold claim as "that's obviously not a good thing". Let's see if you can throw together an argument here somehow not involving Stalin or Mao.
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On November 01 2010 09:53 Krigwin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 09:08 Beef Noodles wrote:On November 01 2010 08:34 billyX333 wrote:On November 01 2010 07:41 Beef Noodles wrote:On November 01 2010 07:31 billyX333 wrote: alexhandr has racial discrimination and racism completely mixed up. holding negative opinions about someone of a different ethnicity (solely because of their ethnicity) is racism. acting out on your racist beliefs would then be consider racial discrimination. No, he's merely saying that the prejudice is not directed toward the Chinese race but instead the Nation of China. With rising debt and the lower recognition of human rights, is it not understandable to fear the rise of the Chinese nation? The reason everyone in the commercial was Chinese (racially) is because the Chinese nation is one of the most homogeneous nations in the entire world. If Communist China had substantial diversity and had other politically powerful races within their nation, I'm confident that the commercial would have shown more diversity in the classroom of laughing Chinese Nationals. no that isnt what he was merely saying. look at his examples. they make no sense and he clearly has the two terms confused. nationalism vs racism is a different debate, but you can't deny there is an ominous undertone (whether you think its for a fear of chinese people, the nation, or a combination of both, is up for interpretation). if you missed it, you were trying to miss it as that was clearly the director's intention. these arent government officials in the commercial, this involves a professor and the students (the civilians) Although I SERIOUSLY doubt the creator of this video truly meant for it to be as intellectual as we are making it, I think there can be a logical interpretation. I am willing to admit that the creators were probably scared and possibly racist -- but that is a one dimensional topic and not interesting. What are far more interesting questions are to ask what a Chinese run world would be like, if America should fear that, and if fearing that is racist or not. I just came back from a year teaching high school and college students in Hangzhou, China. I find the setting of a Chinese classroom VERY relevant. The amount of propaganda that permeates the average Chinese high school/college is startling. (Note: I also find the amount of American propaganda in American schools almost as startling.) I have talked with hundreds of young Chinese intellectuals and many of them are willing to admit many faults of their country, civil rights, and government. But, the general concensus is to NOT care if you have no human rights if that makes China more powerful. Right now, the average Chinese person is so nationalistic that it is blinding their individualism and their sense of right and wrong. They still DO have a very developed sense of right and wrong, but it is eclipsed by this rising pride in the accomplishments of modern China (kind of like pre-world war two Japan). These are GOOD people. They would like all the rights and freedoms that we enjoy. But where as I would die fighting my own country if they tried to take away those rights, they are willing to wait many years until their government grants them those rights if that means that their government and country will remain the strongest in the world. This is a mindset that I personally and many Americans find very scary (even though it is very similar to American philosophy). It is clearly in America's best interest to remain #1. Why is it "racist" to spread a commercial trying to rally support against another country (although this stupid commercial was less about trying to keep up with China and more about blaming the Democrats [lol]). That is just my own personal experience talking with my students, but I don't see why Americans should try to rally support for American (and against China) so that we do not fall to #2. I personally would immediately join a movement to boycott Chinese goods (even though it is almost surely too little too late). I've seen similar anti-American movements/advertisements in China. It's nationalism baby! -- I just can't believe nationalism is still considered a good thing (even though I'm a pretty nationalistic American... yes I know its hypocritical...) So, basically, you're an enormous self-admitted hypocrite and you think fearmongering tactics are acceptable if the target is not us (even if the target is self-admittedly the exact same as us), and you basically equate "having strongest economy in the world" with "running the entire world politically and culturally". Okay then. By the way, I hear this "I would die fighting for my freedoms and what the Founding Fathers stood for" bullshit everywhere. No you wouldn't. What, you think some evil Muslim Hitler is going to be the one to take away your freedoms? You think when the government wants to take away your rights they're going to just announce they're doing it? When the government comes to take away your freedoms it will be in the guise of security, wrapped in the flag, carrying a gun and a bible in each hand and there won't be some kind of armed uprising, people will gladly just let it happen. In this respect the Chinese are actually better off - they know exactly what it is they're missing out on, whereas Americans don't even know it when it's being taken away. You are seriously misinformed. You take things people say out of context and misconstrue them. I admit my own flaws and try to point out both sides of an argument while also stating my opinion. You cannot take all of the times I present "your" argument and then all the times I admit that I am not the "ultimate authority" on the issue and then make it seem like you are summarizing my post.
I admit that I have some American baised, whether I choose to or not, because I was brought up in America. Anyone would be lying if they said that "no propaganda has ever helped form one of my opinions." Me admitting this does not mean that I cannot look at the issue with some legitimate insight.
I will try not to let my anger about how poorly you read my previous post turn into an argument.
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LOL this is so fucking funny holy crap anyone who falls for that idk man..
it's sooo bad rofl
i started laughing so hard when the teacher and class all were laughing so we were all laughing together
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On November 01 2010 12:04 Krigwin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 11:44 ace246 wrote: One of the negative effects of globalisation is the import and export of culture ( source wikipedia). Hypothetically, if China was to become the leading superpower, then alot of the other countries that rely on China might become pro-communist and thats obviously not a good thing. So this commercial has some good side to it, that is, to preserve the ideals of democracy. Note i said hypothetical because this might not be the case, but could be. That's obviously not a good thing? Why is that obviously not a good thing? You imply it's a bad thing, why is it bad? Let's really sit down and think about this for a second. Pretend you're from another planet or something and don't know any history. If China is Communist, and China goes on to become the leading superpower, completely outpacing neo-liberal capitalist countries, how does this logically lead to Communism being bad? Ignoring, for the sake of argument, the fact that China's economy is not even purely Communist.Let's not just spew empty McCarthyist rhetoric here, don't make the assumption that everyone in the discussion is from the same western propagandized background as yourself. Elaborate on why you would make such a bold claim as "that's obviously not a good thing". Let's see if you can throw together an argument here somehow not involving Stalin or Mao.
It's not even remotely communist. They've had free markets for decades, being the biggest trading partner of the US and all.
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To me, the Americans are just being stupid...again
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On November 01 2010 12:08 _Darwin_ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 12:04 Krigwin wrote:On November 01 2010 11:44 ace246 wrote: One of the negative effects of globalisation is the import and export of culture ( source wikipedia). Hypothetically, if China was to become the leading superpower, then alot of the other countries that rely on China might become pro-communist and thats obviously not a good thing. So this commercial has some good side to it, that is, to preserve the ideals of democracy. Note i said hypothetical because this might not be the case, but could be. That's obviously not a good thing? Why is that obviously not a good thing? You imply it's a bad thing, why is it bad? Let's really sit down and think about this for a second. Pretend you're from another planet or something and don't know any history. If China is Communist, and China goes on to become the leading superpower, completely outpacing neo-liberal capitalist countries, how does this logically lead to Communism being bad? Ignoring, for the sake of argument, the fact that China's economy is not even purely Communist.Let's not just spew empty McCarthyist rhetoric here, don't make the assumption that everyone in the discussion is from the same western propagandized background as yourself. Elaborate on why you would make such a bold claim as "that's obviously not a good thing". Let's see if you can throw together an argument here somehow not involving Stalin or Mao. It's not even remotely communist. They've had free markets for decades, being the biggest trading partner of the US and all. It is actually very difficult to gauge how "free" China's economy is because you cannot take everything reported by the Chinese government at face value -- but then again, these days you cant take ANYTHING at face value. But here are a few "suspicious" things that kind of burst the whole "free market" idea (although the first two are speculation, they are both HIGHLY likely):
1) every major company is headed by Communist Party members. While this makes perfect sense since millions of people are Communist Party members, the top businessmen are often more "active" in the party then they wish to convey.
2) All the major banks in China have had suspiciously profitable quarters. Even in periods of boom, history has shown that banks will still post negative numbers for certain quarters (even when they have an overall profitable year). This does not really happen in China. Banks have been posting suspiciously profitable quarters for quite some time even during the financial crisis. There is some speculation that the Chinese government is slipping the banks money from underneath the table so that they can continue to post the high numbers. The aim in doing that is to try and keep the Chinese public's confidence high so that the Chinese will start to invest more (NOTE: Chinese are known to not invest their money near as much as say the average American. This trend is partially cultural).
3) (This is not speculation as I witnessed this FIRST HAND) The Chinese government promotes a program that demands certain cities to grow by a certain amount each year. They have to have "x" number more job openings, "x" number of new available apartments, ect. There are repercussions if a city does not reach their growth quota. In Hangzhou (and elsewhere), the local government secretly pays money to failing businesses and apartment complexes to keep them from shutting down so that they can reach that quota. This is an expensive investment to merely maintain the image of "growth" in China.
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On November 01 2010 12:25 Beef Noodles wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 12:08 _Darwin_ wrote:On November 01 2010 12:04 Krigwin wrote:On November 01 2010 11:44 ace246 wrote: One of the negative effects of globalisation is the import and export of culture ( source wikipedia). Hypothetically, if China was to become the leading superpower, then alot of the other countries that rely on China might become pro-communist and thats obviously not a good thing. So this commercial has some good side to it, that is, to preserve the ideals of democracy. Note i said hypothetical because this might not be the case, but could be. That's obviously not a good thing? Why is that obviously not a good thing? You imply it's a bad thing, why is it bad? Let's really sit down and think about this for a second. Pretend you're from another planet or something and don't know any history. If China is Communist, and China goes on to become the leading superpower, completely outpacing neo-liberal capitalist countries, how does this logically lead to Communism being bad? Ignoring, for the sake of argument, the fact that China's economy is not even purely Communist.Let's not just spew empty McCarthyist rhetoric here, don't make the assumption that everyone in the discussion is from the same western propagandized background as yourself. Elaborate on why you would make such a bold claim as "that's obviously not a good thing". Let's see if you can throw together an argument here somehow not involving Stalin or Mao. It's not even remotely communist. They've had free markets for decades, being the biggest trading partner of the US and all. It is actually very difficult to gauge how "free" China's economy is because you cannot take everything reported by the Chinese government at face value -- but then again, these days you cant take ANYTHING at face value. But here are a few "suspicious" things that kind of burst the whole "free market" idea (although the first two are speculation, they are both HIGHLY likely): 1) every major company is headed by Communist Party members. While this makes perfect sense since millions of people are Communist Party members, the top businessmen are often more "active" in the party then they wish to convey. 2) All the major banks in China have had suspiciously profitable quarters. Even in periods of boom, history has shown that banks will still post negative numbers for certain quarters (even when they have an overall profitable year). This does not really happen in China. Banks have been posting suspiciously profitable quarters for quite some time even during the financial crisis. There is some speculation that the Chinese government is slipping the banks money from underneath the table so that they can continue to post the high numbers. The aim in doing that is to try and keep the Chinese public's confidence high so that the Chinese will start to invest more (NOTE: Chinese are known to not invest their money near as much as say the average American. This trend is partially cultural). 3) (This is not speculation as I witnessed this FIRST HAND) The Chinese government promotes a program that demands certain cities to grow by a certain amount each year. They have to have "x" number more job openings, "x" number of new available apartments, ect. There are repercussions if a city does not reach their growth quota. In Hangzhou (and elsewhere), the local government secretly pays money to failing businesses and apartment complexes to keep them from shutting down so that they can reach that quota. This is an expensive investment to merely maintain the image of "growth" in China.
I didn't mean laissez-faire, I just meant industry is no longer centralized in China. Yes, there is heavy state-intervention.
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republicans just dont know when its too much right?...
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LOL Big bad china is coming for us, bring it.
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People need to use the term xenophobia more. Because I fail to see how this is racist.
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foolish americans, all your base are belong to us
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On November 01 2010 12:06 Beef Noodles wrote: You are seriously misinformed. You take things people say out of context and misconstrue them. I admit my own flaws and try to point out both sides of an argument while also stating my opinion. You cannot take all of the times I present "your" argument and then all the times I admit that I am not the "ultimate authority" on the issue and then make it seem like you are summarizing my post.
I admit that I have some American baised, whether I choose to or not, because I was brought up in America. Anyone would be lying if they said that "no propaganda has ever helped form one of my opinions." Me admitting this does not mean that I cannot look at the issue with some legitimate insight.
I will try not to let my anger about how poorly you read my previous post turn into an argument. Take things out of context? What did I take out of context? Please, point that out to me.
And "my argument"? What the hell are you talking about? I wasn't presenting any argument in that post, I was basically condensing your load of vapid emotional rhetoric and rampant generalizations to expose the massive hypocrisy.
If you want a real response, here: I agree with you that blind nationalism is dangerous, made all the more dangerous by the fact that people that realize nationalism is dangerous, such as yourself, continue to be nationalist for some inane reason. This silly economic-political dick-waving of which country is "#1" is self-destructive and stupid and caring about whether your country is the best or not is the sign of a stunted maturity and childish intellect. We live in a globalized economy and as long as everyone's doing well, why the fuck should it matter that some country has a slightly higher purchasing power than yours?
I also agree that it's not definitively racist to spread propaganda - although in the case of this specific ad, its racism is certainly debatable - it's just stupid and childish. If your goal is to rally support from your country, why is it necessary to paint another country as an enemy? Is it impossible to make a point anymore without also marking a target for your audience to hate? This ad wanted to make the point that stimulus spending and Obamacare will crush the US's economy. That's fine, it's not even like that's an unpopular opinion to have. They could have easily accomplished that with some graphs or statistics or some actual analysis and projections. Instead they threw together this highly caricatured vision of Chinese people and painted them as some kind of future boogeyman. That would be offensive if it wasn't so hilarious.
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I thought it was a great a concept but the contempt on the professor's face at 0:45 ruinned it for me. There are many forms of xenophobia, and suggesting that Chinese people look down or will look down on Americans is one of them.
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2030 looks like a good place to be for 1.2 billion people...
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